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Regional "food quirks"

raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 10:13 AM

I am sure that in nearly every area of the country there are things people do with food that perhaps aren't seen or done in other areas of the country.
While growing up in eastern North Carolina and working on my grandparents tobacco farm, one of the things I got accustomed to during work breaks that has carried over into my adult life, was to pour a package of salted peanuts into my coke. Today I still find it both a good treat and a comforting memory of "the good old days". Anyone have any others to share?

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    Ray RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 10:25 AM

    I'm not sure if it's just a Philadelphia thing or an East Coast thing, but some of us here put ketchup on scrambled eggs.

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    1. re: Ray
      nooodles RE: Ray Jan 19, 2005 10:42 AM

      In that same "ketchup weirdness" category, I like ketchup on my fried rice (to my mother's horror).

      I also like ranch dressing on my pizza (a California thing) and mayo on my french fries (something I picked up from a South Carolinian, although I hear the French and Canadians do the same).

      1. re: nooodles
        Ray RE: nooodles Jan 19, 2005 10:59 AM

        Another East Coast (diner) thing is gravy on French Fries.

        Mayo on fries is very European. Belgians especially, put it on their "frittes"

        1. re: nooodles
          Christine RE: nooodles Jan 19, 2005 12:01 PM

          Born and raised in California and I've never heard of Ranch Dressing on pizza! I do like Ranch Dressing with onion rings, though.

          1. re: Christine
            kc girl RE: Christine Jan 25, 2005 09:39 AM

            Me either. Pizza?

            Though, the original Ranch Dressing is a California product (Hidden Valley Guest Ranch near Santa Barbara) (thought that guy at Hidden Valley actually first made it in Alaska).

            Anyway, I think Ranch Dressing can be considered a California thing (that has since travelled). And, they put it on darn near anything. Especially buffalo wings. But, I have not heard of putting it on pizza until now.

          2. re: nooodles
            MidtownCoog RE: nooodles Jan 19, 2005 12:20 PM

            Ranch dressing on pizza a California thing?


            Don't be so silly. Even the hicks in College Station, Texas (A&M) have been doing that for eons.

            1. re: MidtownCoog
              nooodles RE: MidtownCoog Jan 19, 2005 09:26 PM

              Good to know y'all are doing pizza right in TX! I thought ranch+pizza was a universally loved combo until I was eating pizza with some East Coasters and they looked at me like I had a monkey up my butt.

              Maybe they just don't know what's going on over on that side of the continent.

              1. re: nooodles
                Cashchik RE: nooodles Jan 20, 2005 02:32 AM

                But of course you have to ask for a side of Ranch if the plate includes hash browns.

                1. re: nooodles
                  kindofabigdeal RE: nooodles May 16, 2007 06:38 PM

                  i think it's universally loved by cardiologists

                  1. re: nooodles
                    ctscorp RE: nooodles Jul 25, 2007 08:41 AM

                    I think when you grow up in between New Haven and New York, you want to spoil your pizza as little as possible. To me, ranch is an antidote for crappy pizza.

                    1. re: ctscorp
                      jfood RE: ctscorp Jul 25, 2007 10:32 AM

                      please extend the southern range of the New Haven to NY to read New Haven to Central NJ. Ranch Dressing on a pizza makes jfood shudder and that's from an Essex/Union Couty NJ perspective.

                      1. re: jfood
                        MysticYoYo RE: jfood Dec 26, 2007 05:51 PM

                        I had Ranch Dressing on white pizza once (and I LOVE white pizza) and the whole concoction was VILE.

                    2. re: nooodles
                      RFumega RE: nooodles Jan 18, 2008 04:48 PM

                      That's strange, considering we've been doing that here on the East Coast(in CT, at least) for quite some time now, though blue cheese is more common.

                  2. re: nooodles
                    Keely RE: nooodles Jan 19, 2005 01:25 PM

                    mmm. It is a California thing isn't it? In high school everyone ate pizza with ranch, and now I have a hard time eating pizza without it. It just makes the pizza that much better.

                    1. re: Keely
                      maria lorraine RE: Keely Apr 4, 2007 10:34 PM

                      Hmmm, I've lived in California for a long time, and this is absolutely first time
                      I've ever heard of this.

                      So, uh, where in California is this a regular thing?

                      1. re: maria lorraine
                        ArikaDawn RE: maria lorraine Apr 5, 2007 06:31 AM

                        It's not uncommon in Southern, IN,

                        1. re: ArikaDawn
                          chef chicklet RE: ArikaDawn May 17, 2007 03:49 PM

                          NoCal too. Mainly with younger people. My sons always have eaten it with ranch dressing. Not me though.

                        2. re: maria lorraine
                          justagthing RE: maria lorraine Apr 5, 2007 07:47 AM

                          I don't eat it that way, but I have seem many people in the LA basin eat it that way. I'm a CA native.

                          1. re: maria lorraine
                            adrienne156 RE: maria lorraine Apr 6, 2007 04:46 PM

                            Everywhere? That being said, I'm a college student and it's pretty universal among my crowd.

                            1. re: maria lorraine
                              Jeters RE: maria lorraine Apr 6, 2007 04:53 PM

                              It might be a SoCal thing -- we definately did it when I was a kid growing up in SB. (I still do, although I need better ranch dressing to dip in)

                              Pepperoni Pineapple Pizza with ranch mmm.

                              1. re: maria lorraine
                                .lmk. RE: maria lorraine Oct 19, 2007 03:55 PM

                                If ranch dressing on pizza (and just about everything else) did start as a California thing it's more related to age than it is region. I don't think I know anyone over 35 who puts ranch on pizza. But growing up in SoCal everyone my age put it on everything.

                                1. re: maria lorraine
                                  aynrandgirl RE: maria lorraine Oct 21, 2007 08:45 PM

                                  Round Table serves several pizzas (my favorite is the Italian Garlic Supreme) with Ranch as the sauce base instead of tomato sauce. They're everywhere in CA.

                                  1. re: aynrandgirl
                                    Vexorg RE: aynrandgirl Dec 26, 2007 04:37 PM

                                    We have Round Table up here in Washington, but I haven't ever seen them use ranch dressing as a sauce on pizza here. The Sam's Club here makes a "Buffalo Chicken" pizza as a take-and-bake. I tried a sample, and that pretty much put me off the idea of ranch dressing as a pizza sauce forever.

                                  2. re: maria lorraine
                                    motherof7 RE: maria lorraine Feb 18, 2008 07:09 PM

                                    In the Sacramento area for sure!

                                2. re: nooodles
                                  DB RE: nooodles Jan 19, 2005 02:57 PM

                                  My boyfriend and I decided that the only thing that ranch dressing doesn't taste good on is pancakes. Hard lesson.

                                  1. re: DB
                                    starlady RE: DB Apr 4, 2007 11:25 AM

                                    I have never heard of Ranch on Pizza. Maybe it's something we don't do in Canada.
                                    Gravy on fries however is classic - Poutine. Also love mayo on my fries.

                                    1. re: starlady
                                      tuxedo RE: starlady Apr 4, 2007 11:28 AM

                                      woohoo mayo on fries - me too!!!
                                      thought I was the only one..I get some real strange looks when I ask for a side of mayo with my fries.

                                      1. re: tuxedo
                                        aurora50 RE: tuxedo May 21, 2007 04:33 PM

                                        I've taken to eating fries with mayo too, but I thought it was a weird thing I got from my cousin. But she also takes mayo and stirs it in her refried beans - !
                                        I'm in California, by the way.

                                        1. re: tuxedo
                                          Betty RE: tuxedo May 22, 2007 05:57 AM

                                          mayo on fries was the Wisconsin way.

                                        2. re: starlady
                                          chef chicklet RE: starlady May 17, 2007 03:50 PM

                                          I am SO Jealous!! I would love to try some Poutine!

                                          1. re: chef chicklet
                                            gourmethunter RE: chef chicklet Oct 16, 2007 09:05 AM

                                            All you need to make yourself a poutine (which won't be exactly like the ones in Quebec but close enough to get the general idea) is: French fries, brown gravy poured generously over top and (this might be harder to find) white cheddar cheese curds (no mozza is not authentic "poutine" cheese).

                                            There are regional variations of "poutine" and imho it's just not made right at New York Fries or McDonalds...best place for poutine is in Quebec...ask just about any Quebecer and they'll have their fave place for poutine that they're fanatically loyal to.

                                            Oh, and one tip: If you're ever in say Montreal and order a poutine please make sure you don't pronounce it "Pooh-tain" that is a french slang for a "working girl." The easiest (safest) english pronunciation is "Pooh-tin" :-)

                                            1. re: gourmethunter
                                              Eat_Nopal RE: gourmethunter Oct 17, 2007 03:06 PM

                                              I am definitely asking for Pooh-tain with extra gravy!

                                          2. re: starlady
                                            eastcoastgirl_westcoastlife RE: starlady Oct 17, 2007 11:22 PM

                                            Hey now - I lived in Edmonton for 16 years and people LOVE ranch with pizza there...and deep fried zucchini, hot wings, all the good greasy pub food. Oh and poutine too - and from back East, chips dressin' n' gravy :)

                                            1. re: starlady
                                              eastcoastgirl_westcoastlife RE: starlady Oct 18, 2007 09:52 AM

                                              Ouch! canuck here - just to clarify - gravy on fries does not poutine make. Proper poutine is gravy and cheese curds!!

                                              1. re: starlady
                                                MrsT RE: starlady Oct 20, 2007 05:03 PM

                                                Brown gravy on french fries with a slice of melted cheese---heaven. In Brooklyn we called them "Disco Fries." I don't know why though, maybe it was because it was commonly ordered after 4 A.M after a night of bar hopping/clubbing.

                                            2. re: nooodles
                                              Candy RE: nooodles Jan 19, 2005 03:12 PM

                                              The French Canadians that I knew liked vinegar on their fries and then there is that wonderful French Canadian dish, poutine. Fries with cheese curds and hot brown gravy.

                                              1. re: Candy
                                                SLO RE: Candy Jan 19, 2005 06:23 PM

                                                What about Vienna Red Hots (hot dogs) and Italian beef sandwiches ... old Chicago favorites

                                                1. re: SLO
                                                  therealbigtasty RE: SLO Apr 4, 2007 05:28 PM

                                                  What about how those things don't taste good anywhere except Chicago? I'm in Los Angeles now and have been for some time and I still get Italian Beef cravings. There isn't anywhere that has a good one...sad.

                                                  1. re: therealbigtasty
                                                    justagthing RE: therealbigtasty Apr 4, 2007 07:38 PM

                                                    this is a 2 year old thread, but if you are craving your italian beef, they have opened up a chicago shop in buena park, Portillo's. Just like the one's in Chicago and I believe they will soon be opening up a second shop.

                                                    1. re: justagthing
                                                      therealbigtasty RE: justagthing Apr 6, 2007 08:16 AM

                                                      Well, let's bring this thread back, I say!

                                                      I'll give this Portillo's place a chance.

                                                      1. re: therealbigtasty
                                                        lulubelle RE: therealbigtasty Apr 6, 2007 05:09 PM

                                                        Portillos is pretty good. I've been carting frozen packages of it across country for years.

                                                2. re: Candy
                                                  Chew on That RE: Candy Sep 7, 2007 08:08 AM

                                                  The first thing I thought of was vinegar on the fries! I'm from Chicago but I have Canadian cousins who introduce me to this and now I like to dip my fries in vinegar whenever I can!

                                                  1. re: Chew on That
                                                    jinxed RE: Chew on That Oct 8, 2007 01:04 PM

                                                    Specifically MALT vinegar on fries! I've heard it's a Canadian thing... used to have an order of that and a hot chocolate with my sisters after ice skating lessons.... =)

                                                    1. re: jinxed
                                                      ktmoomau RE: jinxed Oct 10, 2007 08:00 AM

                                                      I would think it hailed from the English who quite often put vinegar on fish and chips. This is quite popular along the mid-atlantic seaboard with fresh cut or boardwalk fries.

                                                    2. re: Chew on That
                                                      eastcoastgirl_westcoastlife RE: Chew on That Oct 17, 2007 11:23 PM

                                                      Yes and in Nova Scotia we put malt vinegar on our fries - you should try it :)

                                                    3. re: Candy
                                                      KevinB RE: Candy Jan 19, 2008 11:13 PM

                                                      Vinegar on fries is actually a British thing; my mom and dad (both basically English, though born in Canada) thought ketchup on fries was an abomination. Vinegar (and preferably malt vinegar) with lots of salt was the only way to go. I have to admit, nowadays, I go either way; some times the vinegar, some times the ketchup. Haven't tried the mayo yet, but it sounds interesting.

                                                      And of course poutine is the definitive French-Canadian dish.

                                                      1. re: KevinB
                                                        alkapal RE: KevinB Jan 26, 2008 06:26 AM

                                                        mayo as a dipper for fries is addictive.

                                                    4. re: nooodles
                                                      petradish RE: nooodles Jan 19, 2005 04:28 PM

                                                      folks in utah dip their fries in "fry sauce", a condiment similiar to thousand island dressing. they also have a donut/sopaipilla pastry they call a scone, served with honey-butter.

                                                      haven't had pizza with ranch, but ranch dressing originated in santa barbara, california.

                                                      1. re: petradish
                                                        dagoose RE: petradish Apr 6, 2007 11:18 AM

                                                        Fry sauce is fabulous, and all fries in Utah come with it, which is strange, because the moment you leave Utah, you must learn to make your own! (ketchup and mayo. really not that hard) but everyone will look at you funny when you do.

                                                        I lived in Utah for one year in high school, and still sometimes think that I wouldn't mind being offered frie sauce with my fries!

                                                      2. re: nooodles
                                                        msmissislippi RE: nooodles Jan 20, 2005 08:22 AM

                                                        In Mississippi, only University of Southerm Miss. grads dip their pizza in thousand island dressing. Seems to have started at the "hot" pizza spot in Hattiesburg.

                                                        1. re: msmissislippi
                                                          KellBell RE: msmissislippi Apr 5, 2007 01:25 PM

                                                          I love thousand island (preferably homemade, not bottled) and pizza! My sister and I eat it. We had a babysitter in Virginia when we were little who got us started on it. People always look at us like we are crazy, and then they are eating it with us by the end. We are in Cali now and I hate Ranch on pizza. But, Im not really that big of a ranch fan in the first place...

                                                        2. re: nooodles
                                                          1 wiener hound RE: nooodles Jan 25, 2005 04:44 PM

                                                          Or better yet hot chinese mustard on Fried Rice

                                                          1. re: nooodles
                                                            ctscorp RE: nooodles Jul 25, 2007 08:39 AM

                                                            When I moved to Iowa (from CT), I discovered ranch on pizza. Might be because the pizza is so bad... but the Iowans claim it as "an Iowa thing." Hmmm.

                                                            1. re: nooodles
                                                              ctscorp RE: nooodles Jul 25, 2007 08:50 AM

                                                              jfood, I'm a Nutmegger who transplanted to the Midwest 8 years ago, and I've never seen a sloppy joe here. The natives prefer what they call a Maid-Rite, or a loose-meat sandwich, which is essentially a sloppy joe sans sauce. They're actually pretty vehement and regionalist about how their sandwich is NOT a sloppy joe, as if they would never deign to sauce their beef.

                                                              1. re: ctscorp
                                                                jfood RE: ctscorp Jul 25, 2007 10:37 AM


                                                                - we can add Iowa as a Blue State (A Red State representing the sauce on the Manwich).
                                                                - on the other side of the coin you mentioned they put ranch dressing on pizza

                                                                Oh what a wonderful world.

                                                              2. re: nooodles
                                                                RaiderCake RE: nooodles Oct 14, 2007 07:15 PM

                                                                In the college town in Texas where I live, tortilla chips and salsa are served at practically every restaurant - but some people (namely, the college set) like to eat tortilla chips with ranch dressing, hence the nickname "sorority sauce" for ranch. And we have ranch on pizza here, too.

                                                                1. re: nooodles
                                                                  .lmk. RE: nooodles Oct 19, 2007 03:27 PM

                                                                  ranch dressing on EVERYTHING seems to be a California thing -- or maybe now an American thing.

                                                                2. re: Ray
                                                                  Gary Soup RE: Ray Jan 19, 2005 10:43 AM

                                                                  I think that's not uncommon. I used to do that.

                                                                  Just don't put ketchup on your hot dog.

                                                                  1. re: Gary Soup
                                                                    David A. RE: Gary Soup Jan 19, 2005 10:47 AM

                                                                    My wife, who's from Taiwan, puts soy paste on her eggs. This is very common in Taiwan, and it's actually very tasty. Now I do it too.

                                                                    David A.

                                                                    1. re: Gary Soup
                                                                      Matt RE: Gary Soup Jan 19, 2005 03:04 PM

                                                                      My wife's (New England based, I believe) food rules:

                                                                      No mustard on hamburgers.
                                                                      No ketchup on hot dogs.

                                                                      1. re: Matt
                                                                        mrsbuffer RE: Matt Oct 15, 2007 06:57 PM

                                                                        Agreed on both counts. Ketchup on a hot dog is just gross. And I grew up in New York 30 miles north of NYC in Rockland County.

                                                                        Ditto with ketchup on eggs.

                                                                        1. re: mrsbuffer
                                                                          janethepain RE: mrsbuffer Oct 16, 2007 08:04 AM

                                                                          Whattt? I grew up in NYC, and always put ketchup on a hot dog. I DID think ketchup on eggs was gross, but now I can't eat them without ketchup.

                                                                          1. re: janethepain
                                                                            KevinB RE: janethepain Jan 19, 2008 11:22 PM

                                                                            Jane, my dear, get yourself to a specialty food store, and buy some "HP" (House of Parliament) Sauce. You will never go back to eggs with ketchup again.

                                                                            And Matt: no mustard on a hamburger?! You need to cut the usual greasiness of the meat and the blandness of the bun with the sharpness of the mustard. That's what makes the real balance between a classic and another work-a-day meal.

                                                                    2. re: Ray
                                                                      Lenny RE: Ray Jan 19, 2005 10:58 AM

                                                                      Diner eggs, you know, those overcooked hard brown eggs when they make omlettes and stuff, ALWAYS get drowned in ketchup to hide the burnt taste. They are unedible otherwise.

                                                                      1. re: Lenny
                                                                        Curtis RE: Lenny Jan 19, 2005 11:44 AM

                                                                        I generally like a teensy bit of ketchup with eggs, but I agree about bad diner eggs and how I usually try to drown it in ketchup.

                                                                      2. re: Ray
                                                                        Zoe RE: Ray Jan 19, 2005 11:47 AM

                                                                        We put ketchup otherwise known as Heinz tomato sauce, on scrambled eggs and I was brought up in Shropshire, England - used to watch my Dad drizzle it on fried eggs too.

                                                                        1. re: Zoe
                                                                          Bob Moffatt RE: Zoe Jan 21, 2005 12:51 PM

                                                                          Each to his own taste.

                                                                          A UK opinion:-

                                                                          I often have tomato ketchup with a fried egg and don't consider this 'quirky', nor does my wife who wouldn't use tomato sauce but rather one of the UK 'brown' sauces.

                                                                          I dislike malt vinegar on most things, especially chips (fries), Her Majesty feels that chips are not the same without it.

                                                                          I read with horror the amount of pepper sauces that Southern USA seem to need to lash on perfectly good (I presume) food.

                                                                          The US fascination with 'dogs' and 'burgers' and how they should be served amuses me (but I have to admit that UK is perhaps catching up in the case if the latter.

                                                                          I could go on, but I'll get my coat.


                                                                          1. re: Bob Moffatt
                                                                            melissa RE: Bob Moffatt Jan 22, 2005 02:13 AM

                                                                            reminds me of that one movie with colin farrell where he plays an irish scoundrel who drinks tea with HP sauce. is this true?

                                                                            1. re: Bob Moffatt
                                                                              shoo-bee-doo RE: Bob Moffatt Jan 28, 2005 10:23 PM

                                                                              What are those brown sauces? I had it in the UK on eggs and loved it. I keep wondering if there is a US equivalant.

                                                                              1. re: shoo-bee-doo
                                                                                CookieGal RE: shoo-bee-doo Apr 4, 2007 06:52 PM

                                                                                the most common brown sauce is HP brand (house of parlament) similar to A1 steak sauce. should be able to get in in a English import shop, if not at your regular grocery store near the ketchup. I drown my eggs in HP, also great on Cheese on toast.

                                                                                Also.. as to the ranch on pizza ....eeewwwww :( yuck..... but i have tried golden honey on pizza and it's pretty fabulous!

                                                                                1. re: CookieGal
                                                                                  eastcoastgirl_westcoastlife RE: CookieGal Oct 18, 2007 09:37 AM

                                                                                  In Canada, HP is HUGE, especially on steak - most steak joints have it on the table actually :)

                                                                              2. re: Bob Moffatt
                                                                                starlady RE: Bob Moffatt Apr 4, 2007 11:30 AM

                                                                                My da's from the UK and I lived there for a bit when I was little. I put ketchup on fried eggs but not scrambled. Especially love it on fried egg nad bacon sandwiches.
                                                                                I DO like malt vinegar on my chips
                                                                                And as for Hamburgers I like "the works"

                                                                                1. re: Bob Moffatt
                                                                                  PhoebeB RE: Bob Moffatt May 17, 2007 04:06 PM

                                                                                  A nation that can stomach Marmite should not be casting stones at pepper sauce.

                                                                                  1. re: Bob Moffatt
                                                                                    Betty RE: Bob Moffatt May 22, 2007 06:00 AM

                                                                                    the strangest food I encountered in the UK was, (besides the scary tablets that dissolve the mushy peas) was beans at breakfast. And once found my visiting English friends clustered around a packet of "English Muffins" at my local grocery in Oklahoma poking at them with a finger wondering what on earth they were supposed to be.

                                                                                    1. re: Betty
                                                                                      ajs228 RE: Betty May 22, 2007 09:38 AM

                                                                                      Ha, that's funny. Did you explain the nooks and crannies?

                                                                                      1. re: ajs228
                                                                                        feuerzeug RE: ajs228 Jul 23, 2007 01:25 PM

                                                                                        When I was in college in the UK, I used to come home for summers, and British friends from college used to come visit me in Canada. One summer, and English friend came to visit, and we got to talking about English muffins, and I told her that in England, they were just called muffins. She denied that such a thing existed, and was actually quite rude about it. When I went back at the start of the next term, I arrived at my house to a package of English muffins - the label read 'Muffins'. And on top was a note with an apology!
                                                                                        So, in England, English muffins are just called muffins, even if English people don't realize it.

                                                                                      2. re: Betty
                                                                                        hrhboo RE: Betty May 22, 2007 12:49 PM

                                                                                        I don't find beans at breakfast odd (many cultures eat beans with brekkie), but even as a Brit I find kippers and kedgeree for breakfast a little much!

                                                                                        1. re: hrhboo
                                                                                          starlady RE: hrhboo Jul 25, 2007 12:42 AM

                                                                                          Kippers are the BEST for brekky! Even if I get strange looks from the BF.
                                                                                          Had some this morn in fact. YUM

                                                                                          1. re: hrhboo
                                                                                            Bat Guano RE: hrhboo Jul 26, 2007 12:54 PM

                                                                                            I'm not British or even close, but I love kedgeree for breakfast. Or any other time - it's a sublime dish.

                                                                                            1. re: Bat Guano
                                                                                              niki rothman RE: Bat Guano Jul 26, 2007 02:04 PM

                                                                                              Is kedgeree more than cooked rice, flaked cooked salmon, butter, hard boiled eggs and peas? It just sounds so boring. What am I missing? What makes it divine? I always just assumed the reason it was popular with upper class Brits was that they all seem to love the nursery food their nannies fed them in early childhood. But, I'd love to try making some kedgeree f you'd like to post your recipe on the hoome cooking board here. On this board you could list the ingredients if that would be easier as I'm guessing exact amounts are not critical.

                                                                                              1. re: niki rothman
                                                                                                Querencia RE: niki rothman Sep 4, 2007 08:17 PM

                                                                                                To niki r: Try making your kedgeree using flaked smoked salmon (rather than fresh) plus some sauteed onion, add curry powder, and serve nice and hot with a wedge of lemon and sliced hardboiled egg. Hot buttered toast. Lots of hot tea.

                                                                                                1. re: niki rothman
                                                                                                  Bat Guano RE: niki rothman Oct 9, 2007 09:26 AM

                                                                                                  Oh, sorry - I didn't see this till now. I'll be glad to give you my recipe on the home cooking board.... You're right, exact amounts aren't crucial, or even exact ingredients (my recipe calls for smoked haddock, but I've used smoked and fresh salmon many times).

                                                                                          2. re: Bob Moffatt
                                                                                            KevinB RE: Bob Moffatt Jan 19, 2008 11:37 PM

                                                                                            Yes, staying at a St. Andrew's B&B a few years back, I was introduced to UK "brown sauces" (in Canada, we only had HP; who knew?). Still prefer that to ketchup with any type of egg.

                                                                                            No malt vinegar on chips? You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I consider this one of life's greatest pleasures (mostly because so few places in Canada offer it as option).

                                                                                            And for hot sauces? There's a lot of medical literature that shows that hot sauces stimulate the brain's pleasure centres. Although I admit, I usually only put it on fried chicken. And for an even guiltier admission, I sometimes put honey and hot sauce on my fried chicken (only Popeye's - Church's seemed to have disappeared from Canada, even though I thought they were better in every way - never KFC.)

                                                                                            Hope you got that coat - it's minus 20-C in Toronto today.

                                                                                        2. re: Ray
                                                                                          Steve S. RE: Ray Jan 19, 2005 12:18 PM

                                                                                          That is not wierd or regional at all.

                                                                                          But growing up I often had ketchup omelettes (ketchup cooked into the omelette, like a stuffing - then some of the ketchup would ooze out into the pan, ...mmmm burnt ketchup) and jelly omelettes, and of course salami n' eggs. I guess we didn't call it a salami omelette because the salami was fried in the pan first and then the egg was poured all over it.

                                                                                          1. re: Steve S.
                                                                                            Lenny RE: Steve S. Jan 19, 2005 12:26 PM

                                                                                            that is an omelet,but some regions call it something else, "pancake style"

                                                                                            1. re: Lenny
                                                                                              Ken RE: Lenny Jan 19, 2005 03:40 PM

                                                                                              In New York, cream cheese omelets. Still make them in Texas

                                                                                              1. re: Ken
                                                                                                janethepain RE: Ken Apr 4, 2007 11:50 AM

                                                                                                I've lived in NYC all my life, and I feel like I've never seen a cream cheese omelet on a menu. Goat cheese or feta is normal, but cream cheese??

                                                                                                I was so grossed out by seeing someone put ketchup on their eggs, but now I love it. In fact, I probably eat eggs mainly for the ketchup.

                                                                                                1. re: janethepain
                                                                                                  RJJR RE: janethepain Aug 7, 2007 09:46 AM

                                                                                                  In Ocean City MD there is a restaurant calloed Generals Kitchen, that Makes Creamed Chipped Beef Omelettes - CCB in the middle as a filling with a little more on the top when it is served.

                                                                                                  Also in reply to others putting Ranch dressing on Pizza, I had a friend when I was growing up that put mustard on his pizza crusts and said he felt like he was eating a soft pretzel - i gotta say I thought so too.....

                                                                                          2. re: Ray
                                                                                            pebbles RE: Ray Jan 19, 2005 03:00 PM

                                                                                            2 north/central NJ items come to mind.

                                                                                            italian hot dog - served on a roll that is more like pita with french fries and sauteed peppers and onions

                                                                                            sloppy (or smokey joe) - both are 3 layer cold sandwiches
                                                                                            - sloppy has one layer of turkey & russian dressing, 1 layer of swiss, 1 layer of rare roast beef with cole slaw.
                                                                                            - smoky has 1 layer of lox, 1 layer of whitefish, 1 layer of cream cheese.

                                                                                            1. re: pebbles
                                                                                              flavrmeistr RE: pebbles Jan 20, 2005 10:41 PM

                                                                                              The "smoky" sounds fabulous! One of my favorites is pickled herring, sour cream and chopped onion on pumpernickel.

                                                                                              1. re: flavrmeistr
                                                                                                starlady RE: flavrmeistr Apr 4, 2007 11:32 AM

                                                                                                Curried pickled herring! To die for. and it doesn't take long to marinate either. I often make some before I go to work and then pop it in the fridge there - in tupperware. Tke bread and some onion in a sandwich bag. Toast the bread put on the curried pickled herring nad onions. YUM. Course you have to have a very forgiving workplace (which I do) and no meetings in the afternoon - don't breathe on anyone :)

                                                                                              2. re: pebbles
                                                                                                HungryRubia RE: pebbles May 18, 2007 12:57 PM

                                                                                                Hmmm I grew up in in North/Central NJ and have never heard of either of those. But if you really wanna talk regional NJ.....how 'bout some Taylor ham??? Yummm!

                                                                                                1. re: HungryRubia
                                                                                                  sixelagogo RE: HungryRubia Jul 24, 2007 06:49 AM

                                                                                                  the hot dog discribed above is really a Newark regional dog and called an italian dog. it really is completely regional to the Newark/belleville area. The bun is more like the kind of bread you get with a donar kabab, 2 fried and very skinny hotdogs layed down at the bottom, topped with fried potatoes, topped with ketchup, topped with fried onions and peppers. Best spot to get it is at a greasy joint called "dickie dees" in Newark.

                                                                                                  1. re: sixelagogo
                                                                                                    jfood RE: sixelagogo Jul 25, 2007 04:51 AM

                                                                                                    there have been several threads about the italian dog and the real sloppy joe recently. coming from elizabeth jfood might argue with you on dickies as the "best" but heh newark and elizabeth have alway had a little competition. likewise the threads on sloppy joes get very chest pumping amongst the people from elizabeth, union, south orange and millburn. then the southern tier chimes in as well.

                                                                                                    most important is that our region has given two GREAT additions to American cuisine. Drat the miswesterners to take our perfectly named, beautiful sandwich and turn it into something that even college students frown upon when presented in the cafeteria. blech.

                                                                                                    1. re: jfood
                                                                                                      niki rothman RE: jfood Jul 26, 2007 07:42 AM

                                                                                                      Interesting article in the New Yorker mag. a week or so ago about Turkish hot dogs as served in Istanbul, where they are served from sidewalk stands and thought of as exotic foreign forbidden fruit, because the meat used is suspected of not being hallal or Islamic kosher, so Turkish moms are constantly living in fear that the kids might be gastronomically sullying themselves on the sly. Probably the forbidden aspect adds to the overall mystique, because from the description they do not sound all that attractive, if a hot dog can be thought of as being attractive under the best of circumstances...but, what a turkish hot dog is, is a skinny sausage rendered leathery on a grill and then sent to purgatory to soak for long periods of time in a vat of sweetish tomato sauce (ketchup?) until they are uplaoded to a bun and graced with the kind of fixin'ns we'd associate with a Chicago hot dog - mayo, lettuce, tomato, pickles - probably to disguise the questionable character of the actual sausage meat, of which the Turkish mothers are probably rightly suspicious.

                                                                                                      1. re: niki rothman
                                                                                                        therealbigtasty RE: niki rothman Jul 28, 2007 11:27 PM

                                                                                                        I lived in Turkey for a short time and I remember them making hamburgers in a similar way. They'd grill them and then store them in a hot tomato sauce with onions in there.

                                                                                                        Then you'd order and they'd slap it on a bun.

                                                                                                        It's been over twenty years, but I remember it fondly.

                                                                                                        1. re: therealbigtasty
                                                                                                          janethepain RE: therealbigtasty Sep 5, 2007 07:27 AM

                                                                                                          I just came back from a week in Turkey, and remember their 'hamburgers' looking like the saddest, most unappetizing looking things. The image of a bunch of them sitting on a tray under a light, grayish meat and helplessly wrinkled and otherwise mangled-looking buns, has been burned into my mind. Needless to say, we never tried them.

                                                                                                2. re: pebbles
                                                                                                  sarahvagaca RE: pebbles May 18, 2007 03:07 PM

                                                                                                  My SO is from NJ and one of the first times I went to visit him and meet his family, I was told they were serving "sloppy joes". Not my favorite meal and, duh, very messy to eat when trying to impress your SO's parents! But I was presented with a wedge cut from a family-sized round, cold sandwich and was relieved that this was what they called a sloppy joe. From the Jewish deli, apparently and described well by pebbles, above.

                                                                                                  1. re: sarahvagaca
                                                                                                    jfood RE: sarahvagaca Jul 25, 2007 04:53 AM

                                                                                                    welcom to the SJ club. you have now tasted the perfect sandwich. And the real question is, "was there butter on it". The Millburn deli puts butter on their "Joe", blech and the rest of the delis gladly stay away from that shunda (ask your SO for a translation).

                                                                                                    1. re: jfood
                                                                                                      niki rothman RE: jfood Jul 26, 2007 07:44 AM

                                                                                                      I have heard the Jewish (Yiddish or Hebrew) word "shanda" which means shame - is that it?

                                                                                                3. re: Ray
                                                                                                  Spoony Bard RE: Ray Jan 20, 2005 11:44 AM

                                                                                                  Sriracha hot sauce on eggs- California. All the sweet, sour, salty, umami goodness of ketchup, with an added kick!

                                                                                                  Plus, it's the fastest growing condiment in the country.

                                                                                                  1. re: Spoony Bard
                                                                                                    EP RE: Spoony Bard Jan 20, 2005 03:02 PM

                                                                                                    'Fire' sauce from Taco Bell (which is the hottest of their taco sauces) works well in a pinch too. I keep a stash of the packets at my desk at work for when I go down to the building caffeteria for eggs in the morning.

                                                                                                    1. re: Spoony Bard
                                                                                                      lollya RE: Spoony Bard Apr 5, 2007 08:25 AM

                                                                                                      in minneapolis we partake in eggs with

                                                                                                      cream cheese fillings
                                                                                                      and hot sauce

                                                                                                      maybe not all together, but you know....

                                                                                                      1. re: Spoony Bard
                                                                                                        teach RE: Spoony Bard May 16, 2007 05:19 PM

                                                                                                        Sriracha is good on pizza, too. I'm from California, but I wouldn't exactly say this is a California thing.

                                                                                                        1. re: teach
                                                                                                          rhnault RE: teach May 18, 2007 12:22 PM

                                                                                                          That's the BEST!

                                                                                                        2. re: Spoony Bard
                                                                                                          sfbecky RE: Spoony Bard Jul 26, 2007 03:58 PM

                                                                                                          We live in SF, and my kids put sriracha hot sauce on everything. They call it "cock sauce" because of the pidture on the label.

                                                                                                          1. re: sfbecky
                                                                                                            niki rothman RE: sfbecky Jul 26, 2007 04:02 PM

                                                                                                            It's a great hot sauce, maybe the best commercially available. I don't like Tabasco - too vinegary. But, have you tried Trader Joe's red jalapeno sauce. It's really delicious - not quite as sweet as Sriracha, which I would actually like to be a touch LESS sweet. But, I could always just dilute the bottle with some water. One nice thing about Sriracha that no other hot sauce I know of has is that it has a garlicky undertone - but I was VERY surprised to hear it's so very popular now.

                                                                                                            1. re: niki rothman
                                                                                                              revsharkie RE: niki rothman Jul 26, 2007 06:01 PM

                                                                                                              O yes. Even here in the Middle of Nowhere, Iowa. I need another bottle because mine's almost empty.

                                                                                                              here lately I'm trying to be healthier, and I've been drinking some V8 juice every day--the low sodium kind, which to my salt-addled taste buds seems insufferably bland. So I put a little Sriracha in it, which makes it all better.

                                                                                                              1. re: revsharkie
                                                                                                                alkapal RE: revsharkie Oct 14, 2007 09:41 PM

                                                                                                                you're just adding the sodium back in.
                                                                                                                1200 sodium mg in 100 grams of sriracha; some portion added to 140 sodium mg in 8 oz. of low sodium v-8

                                                                                                                http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/equivale... (re: sriracha


                                                                                                                http://www.foodprocessing.com/industr... (re: v-8 formulations)

                                                                                                                1. re: revsharkie
                                                                                                                  alkapal RE: revsharkie Oct 14, 2007 10:02 PM

                                                                                                                  growing up in south florida, i added the cornbread dressing on the turkey sandwich with mayo, along with a slice of the jellied cranberry sauce. mustard didn't even occur to me. (not big mustard eaters growing up -- mom didn't like, and dad was into meat and potatoes).

                                                                                                                  mayo went on lots of stuff, including (and i know what you will say), hot dogs!

                                                                                                          2. re: Ray
                                                                                                            Lazy Susan RE: Ray Apr 4, 2007 05:25 PM

                                                                                                            I think it's an east coast thing. I live in central NY and lots of people around here do it.

                                                                                                            1. re: Ray
                                                                                                              niki rothman RE: Ray Apr 4, 2007 06:56 PM

                                                                                                              I never knew ANYone, ANYwhere, who did NOT put ketchup on scrambled eggs.

                                                                                                              1. re: niki rothman
                                                                                                                murrato RE: niki rothman Jul 25, 2007 08:41 AM

                                                                                                                LOL!! I have NEVER EVER put Ketshup on my scrambled eggs. Now Tabasco...that's a different story.

                                                                                                                1. re: murrato
                                                                                                                  niki rothman RE: murrato Jul 26, 2007 07:47 AM

                                                                                                                  Where are you from - that no one knows ketchup is required for scrambled eggs?

                                                                                                                2. re: niki rothman
                                                                                                                  ElsieDee RE: niki rothman Jul 27, 2007 09:27 PM

                                                                                                                  *raising hand* I don't put ketchup on my scrambled eggs, or any eggs, for that matter. I like the eggs just plain (don't even much care for omelets).

                                                                                                                  On the other hand, I do put ketchup on hot dogs, grilled sausages, and turkey sandwiches. Not really regionalisms, though, just quirks of me.

                                                                                                                3. re: Ray
                                                                                                                  lollya RE: Ray Apr 5, 2007 08:17 AM

                                                                                                                  same here in the minnesota!

                                                                                                                  1. re: lollya
                                                                                                                    chef chicklet RE: lollya May 17, 2007 03:54 PM

                                                                                                                    I was taught by a New Yorker (my mother) to put ketchup on scrammled eggs. Now I go back and forth, its hot sauce or ketchup.

                                                                                                                    1. re: chef chicklet
                                                                                                                      ktcolt RE: chef chicklet Jul 4, 2007 11:44 AM

                                                                                                                      I never put ketchup on eggs...ewwwwwwwww....but now I LOVE a good avocado and bacon omlette!

                                                                                                                      1. re: ktcolt
                                                                                                                        niki rothman RE: ktcolt Jul 26, 2007 07:48 AM

                                                                                                                        Well, ok yeah - but have you ever even tried ketchup on scrambled eggs?

                                                                                                                      2. re: chef chicklet
                                                                                                                        kindofabigdeal RE: chef chicklet Jul 4, 2007 12:12 PM

                                                                                                                        I could eat a jar of hot sauce on an individual egg.

                                                                                                                        1. re: chef chicklet
                                                                                                                          jfood RE: chef chicklet Jul 25, 2007 04:55 AM

                                                                                                                          Oh yeah baby. ketchup on scrambled eggs. The looks jfood recieves from many is silly. Most times jfood shies away from that when traveling with colleague, not a good way to start the day with those "looks". Best way to hide it is to arder on a roll and then place the ketchup on the egg sandwich. noone seems to get offended by this method.

                                                                                                                      3. re: Ray
                                                                                                                        foodcritik RE: Ray Jul 24, 2007 08:04 AM

                                                                                                                        That's not weird, I've 30 and done that since i was a kid!

                                                                                                                        1. re: Ray
                                                                                                                          gourmethunter RE: Ray Oct 16, 2007 08:56 AM

                                                                                                                          lol I'm not sure that's an East Coast thing...I'm Canadian (grew up near Ottawa) and until I was 12 I thought scrambled eggs were supposed to taste like ketchup - that's how much we used the two together. Fortunately my tastes and palette have grown up a bit.

                                                                                                                        2. b
                                                                                                                          bob oppedisano RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 10:29 AM

                                                                                                                          Leaving aside for the moment strictly ethnic home-cooking specialities, New York City has at leats two dishes that, as far as I know, have been ours alone.
                                                                                                                          One is chow mein on a bun, most prominently at Nathan's, the Coney Island hot-dog emporium: classic Chinese-American vegetables topped with fried noodles on a soft burger bun, preferably washed down with Nathans' pineapple drink. A somewhat more assimilated cousin of a dish, still a fixture at delis, is roast (Chinese) pork and plum sauce on garlic bread.

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                                                                                                                          1. re: bob oppedisano
                                                                                                                            Bob W. RE: bob oppedisano Jan 19, 2005 11:02 AM

                                                                                                                            As Lee Corso would say, "Not so fast, my friend!"

                                                                                                                            Chow mein sandwiches, exactly as you have described them, have been eaten in Rhode Island for decades, apparently since the Depression. We used to get them at a place called Chin's in Pawtucket back when I was in junior high school around 1974. Price: $0.15

                                                                                                                            1. re: Bob W.
                                                                                                                              Querencia RE: Bob W. Sep 4, 2007 08:19 PM

                                                                                                                              To Bob W: There used to be a ratty old amusement park in Salem MA called Salem Willows where Chop Suey Sandwiches were sold. Is this a New England thing, maybe?

                                                                                                                            2. re: bob oppedisano
                                                                                                                              lucia RE: bob oppedisano Jan 19, 2005 11:21 AM

                                                                                                                              My father grew up eating chow mein sandwiches at the Woolworth counter in Rockaway. Was his favorite meal. That was in the late 30s, early 40s.

                                                                                                                              1. re: lucia
                                                                                                                                lucia RE: lucia Jan 19, 2005 11:22 AM

                                                                                                                                I should say, that's Rockaway, NY, not far from Coney Island.

                                                                                                                                1. re: lucia
                                                                                                                                  Striver RE: lucia Jan 19, 2005 12:10 PM

                                                                                                                                  What I remember about Rockaway was a place on the Boardwalk that served chow mein not on a bun, but in an edible cup made of chow mein noodles. I think they called it a "tiki cup" or something like that. This would be in the late 50's.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Striver
                                                                                                                                    Deenso RE: Striver Jan 19, 2005 12:43 PM

                                                                                                                                    "What I remember about Rockaway was a place on the Boardwalk that served chow mein not on a bun, but in an edible cup made of chow mein noodles. I think they called it a "tiki cup" or something like that. This would be in the late 50's."

                                                                                                                                    My husband grew up in NYC but I got here after graduating high school, when my family moved from western PA. He used to tell me about this and I thought he was making it up! Now I'll have to go home and apologize for doubting him.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Deenso
                                                                                                                                      Deborah RE: Deenso Jan 19, 2005 01:18 PM

                                                                                                                                      My husband grew up in Bayside, Queens, and he said there was a truck that used to go around and sell "chow chow cups," which is what they called the chow mein in noodle bowl. I remember, growing up on LI, there were a number of "truck" options, including the guy who came (Thursdays?) and sold pizza from his truck. And, of course,there was the Dugan's cakes guy, Bungalow Bar (now that was an intereting looking vehicle!), and all the other usual suspects. Memories.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Deborah
                                                                                                                                        Midlife RE: Deborah Jan 19, 2005 01:49 PM

                                                                                                                                        Wow!!! and a hearty Southern California O-M-G to that. I went to high school in Bayside and grew up in Little Neck. I hadn't thought of Bungalow Bar in so long I don't even want to say. But I quickly drew on a picture memory of the truck. Certainly was something unique and unforgettable.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: Deborah
                                                                                                                                          James RE: Deborah Jan 19, 2005 01:59 PM

                                                                                                                                          The name "Bungalow Bar" sounds vaguely familiar but I don't remember a truck so I googled and here are a couple of pictures of it (I still don't remember it after seeing it, I guess they weren't in my neck of the woods on Long Island.)

                                                                                                                                          Another picture of the truck (middle of the page)

                                                                                                                                          Link: http://peter-marina.com/BungalowBarTr...

                                                                                                                                          1. re: James
                                                                                                                                            Janet RE: James Jan 19, 2005 03:14 PM

                                                                                                                                            We Good Humor fans used to sing a song about Bungalow Bar ice cream - does anyone remember this?

                                                                                                                                            "Bungalow Bar,
                                                                                                                                            It tastes like tar
                                                                                                                                            The more you eat it,
                                                                                                                                            The sicker you are!"

                                                                                                                                            Early Chowhounding, to be sure!

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Janet
                                                                                                                                              Bungalow Bill RE: Janet Feb 9, 2005 02:33 PM

                                                                                                                                              Oh you hurt me so! I used to drive one for two summers to work my way through college. My fans at that time sang:
                                                                                                                                              You get a tumor if you eat good humor.

                                                                                                                                            2. re: James
                                                                                                                                              frank wucinski RE: James Feb 11, 2005 06:40 PM

                                                                                                                                              In 1962-63 Bungalo Bar trucks came around my wife's neighborhood in Brooklyn at dinner time so they had their ice cream later when good humor came. They sang this refrain when the Bungallo Bar man drove by,"Bungalllo Bar tastes like tar, the more you eat it the sicker you are."

                                                                                                                                              On an episode of the Sopranos when Tony is being queried by non-mob Italians as to whether he ever met John Gotti, He says,"At the auction for the last Bungallo Bar truck, John outbid me, but he let me ring the bells all the way home.

                                                                                                                                              there you go

                                                                                                                                            3. re: Deborah
                                                                                                                                              BluPlateSpec RE: Deborah Jan 19, 2005 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                                              Growing up in Queens we had both Bungalow Bar and Good Humor trucks crusing the streets all summer long. I vaguely remember Good Humor as being more of a company operation (conservative) and Bungalow Bar as being more edgy withyounger operators, better able to relate to us kids.
                                                                                                                                              My favorite treat was the Good Humor vanilla sundae, a small cup of vanilla ice cream topped with a layer of choclate fudge, You'd let it melt a little and then mix in the fudge. I can taste it now.

                                                                                                                                            4. re: Deenso
                                                                                                                                              Deenso RE: Deenso Jan 19, 2005 02:12 PM

                                                                                                                                              Okay - after I apologized, he told me it was called a Tukki cup, not a Tiki cup. Does that sound familiar?

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Deenso
                                                                                                                                                Striver RE: Deenso Jan 19, 2005 02:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                Yep, that's the one. Your husband is clearly an honest man with an excellent memory. Treasure him! :)

                                                                                                                                        2. re: lucia
                                                                                                                                          Sarah Deepfruit RE: lucia Jan 19, 2005 08:47 PM

                                                                                                                                          In malaysia, on a sweltering day, you can buy a treat from a roadside stand: two scoops of ice cream on a soft white hotdog bun.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Sarah Deepfruit
                                                                                                                                            melissa RE: Sarah Deepfruit Jan 20, 2005 02:20 PM

                                                                                                                                            my whole life in malaysia i have never encountered this. where exactly did you have this ice-cream concoction?

                                                                                                                                            1. re: melissa
                                                                                                                                              slippek RE: melissa Apr 4, 2007 07:24 AM

                                                                                                                                              In KL, an also in Kelantan province...

                                                                                                                                              1. re: slippek
                                                                                                                                                Lazy Susan RE: slippek Apr 4, 2007 05:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                It's common in the Philippines also.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Lazy Susan
                                                                                                                                                  Sam Fujisaka RE: Lazy Susan May 16, 2007 05:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Never saw that in 14 years in the Philippines.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Sam Fujisaka
                                                                                                                                                    hannaone RE: Sam Fujisaka May 16, 2007 05:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Saw it at Baggio (Sp?) and Angeles city.

                                                                                                                                        3. re: bob oppedisano
                                                                                                                                          CG RE: bob oppedisano Jan 19, 2005 12:05 PM

                                                                                                                                          Chow mein on a bun and chinese pepper steak on a bun are still available at Salem Willows in Salem, MA.
                                                                                                                                          Loved them as a kid many years ago.


                                                                                                                                          1. re: CG
                                                                                                                                            lemondrop RE: CG Jan 20, 2005 02:18 PM

                                                                                                                                            my mother (in her 70's) still goes to the Willows for a chop suey sandwich every summer

                                                                                                                                          2. re: bob oppedisano
                                                                                                                                            MidtownCoog RE: bob oppedisano Jan 19, 2005 12:18 PM

                                                                                                                                            As far as you know!

                                                                                                                                            LOL. Just like y'all invented the Bahn Mi Thit!

                                                                                                                                            1. re: bob oppedisano
                                                                                                                                              butterfly RE: bob oppedisano Jan 19, 2005 12:23 PM

                                                                                                                                              A cousin of this is the St. Louis phenomenon: St. Paul Sandwich. It's egg foo young on toast or an italian roll and it's available at most chinese carryouts, corner stores and sandwich places.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: bob oppedisano
                                                                                                                                                chowmeow RE: bob oppedisano Jan 28, 2005 03:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                Whoa, this is rocking my world. Have lived in the Tri-state area my whole life, NYC & Brooklyn for 12 years, and have never heard of this bizarre sandwich. I must try this...

                                                                                                                                              2. d
                                                                                                                                                Dennis S RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                The biggest thing that stands out as a generalization is the use of malt vinegar on fries on the east coast. When I first moved there from the midwest I was appalled (I knew ketchup of course and loved mayo with them - never saw vinegar). Now I love them with vinegar, especially the thick kind fried in peanut oil.

                                                                                                                                                A local fav from my hometown is the stretch:
                                                                                                                                                hash browns topped with eggs topped with chili topped with cheese, onion and green pepper topped with tobasco.
                                                                                                                                                When I make it at home I make my eggs overeasy and use jalapenos (veined and seeded) rather than greens.

                                                                                                                                                4 Replies
                                                                                                                                                1. re: Dennis S
                                                                                                                                                  Sharuf RE: Dennis S Jan 20, 2005 11:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                  When I worked at a drive-in in Portland OR, for my break I would have the cook fry me some nice crispy hash browns and pour gravy over them.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Dennis S
                                                                                                                                                    kc girl RE: Dennis S Jan 25, 2005 09:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                    I was first introduced to vinegar on french fries ("chips") in my preteen years when we visited Canada. We brought oit home for a while, but then outgrew it. Isn't vinegar on "chips" a popular English "quirk."

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: kc girl
                                                                                                                                                      Striver RE: kc girl Jan 25, 2005 09:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Vinegar always been available for sprinkling on fries (along with ketchup,etc.) on the boardwalk in Wildwood, NJ. But now that you mention it, they get a lot of Canadians down the south Jersey shore, and maybe that's why they provide it...

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Striver
                                                                                                                                                        C70 RE: Striver May 18, 2007 09:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                        In the 70s when myself and my Canadian family summered in Cape Cod, we'd ask for vinegar for our fries and often get strange looks, and frequently it wasn't available. I'd say it's the Canadian influence in the tourist areas that has made it popular.

                                                                                                                                                  2. c
                                                                                                                                                    ChefElias RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 12:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                    In St. Louis, where I grew up, we had toasted ravioli. Now it seems that they serve it at the Olive Garden. (Sheesh, my second post involving the Olive Garden today. What has become of me?)

                                                                                                                                                    People also use a ton of Provelle cheese. It is the cheese on St. Louis style pizza (Provelle Cheese, round, thin crispy crust, sliced into squares). I have no idea what it really is. I just remember one of my friends was ranting about people in St. Louis and their "Un-natural obsession with Provelle cheese." The woman at the table next to us started laughing and my friend (out of character for him) turned and yelled "What?!" at her. She just replied "No. You're right. They do!"


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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ChefElias
                                                                                                                                                      maria lorraine RE: ChefElias Apr 4, 2007 10:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Yes, I remember toasted ravioli. And the really terrible "Italian" food on The Hill.
                                                                                                                                                      Also, Ted Drewes frozen custard. A slice of sharp cheddar cheese served with apple pie
                                                                                                                                                      (is that a New England-ism?). Fried brains (truly). White Castle sliders.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: maria lorraine
                                                                                                                                                        PhoebeB RE: maria lorraine May 17, 2007 04:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                        My daddy's favorite thing in the world was brains scrambled with eggs.

                                                                                                                                                        And sharp cheddar on apple pie is one New England-ism that converted this Texan from "a la mode" . If you let the cheese melt slightly it is just sublime.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: PhoebeB
                                                                                                                                                          vermontpoet RE: PhoebeB Jul 24, 2007 07:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Growing up in Vermont, sharp Vermont cheddar was the only accompaniment to my mom's incredible apple pie.

                                                                                                                                                          Also...in late February through April.....sugar on snow is a great Vermont treat! Brand new maple syrup boiled to soft ball stage served in communal pitchers...each person gets a big bowl of snow and a fork. Pour the syrup over the snow in patterns...pick it up and twirl it onto the fork. Traditionally served with plain, homemade cake doughnuts and sour dill pickles. The pickles are a Vermont version of a palate cleanser of sorts.....a thrifty Yankee way to be able to "eat more for your money".

                                                                                                                                                    2. k
                                                                                                                                                      klumppilston RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 12:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                      In Pittsburgh, it's a tendency to put french fries on sandwiches or salads. I'm still trying to get used to it.

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: klumppilston
                                                                                                                                                        Louisa RE: klumppilston Jan 20, 2005 02:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Here in northern Italy, people use french fries as a topping for pizza or focaccia. At first I thought it was kind of wierd, until I tried a piece of warm focaccia with french fries and rosemary. Not bad.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: klumppilston
                                                                                                                                                          Wendy B RE: klumppilston Jan 21, 2005 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Yumm...I love Primanti Bros. and really miss their sandwiches. Although it was odd the first time I ordered a salad and it came with fries on it! But, man, was it good!

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                                                                                                                                                            italyinmind RE: klumppilston May 16, 2007 01:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                            I grew up in Pittsburgh and I still miss getting fries on sandwiches and salads...Somehow it's so much easier to convince yourself to order a salad if you know it will come with tasty fries on it!

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                                                                                                                                                              Sam Fujisaka RE: italyinmind May 16, 2007 05:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                              In the Andean countries, small, thin, crispy fries appear in soups and sandwiches. I'm going to give salads a try.

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                                                                                                                                                              mhiggins RE: klumppilston Oct 17, 2007 02:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                              Not just a Pittsburgh thing - a number of spots in New Orleans serve Roast Beef Po-Boys, with a generous portion of brown gravy smothering the fries.

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                                                                                                                                                                Isabella RE: mhiggins Oct 20, 2007 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                And we also have French Fried Potato Po' Boys.

                                                                                                                                                                French Fries (in the old days it was handcut real potatoes - oh, what I would give for one of those now!) on French bread smothered in roast beef gravy. Dressed. Which includes mayonaisse, lettuce, tomatoes which go on top part of the bread.

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                                                                                                                                                                  mhiggins RE: mhiggins Oct 21, 2007 06:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  D'oh - I meant to put down "French Fry Po-Boys," but had been to Parkway for lunch. Go figure!

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                                                                                                                                                                Jerome RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 01:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                This has changed, but as a Californian, I used to get very odd stares from friends in the East when I would ask for a side of 1000 island dressing for my hamburger. (late 1970s)

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                                                                                                                                                                  Sharuf RE: Jerome Jan 20, 2005 11:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Asking for 1000 Island dressing is sort of a defensive maneuver to keep them from ruining your burger with ketchup, or (horrors!) mustard. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                    C70 RE: Sharuf May 18, 2007 09:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    AKA big mac sauce- same stuff, essentially.

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                                                                                                                                                                  enrevanche RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  RFL, you made me smile. I grew up near Raleigh, and although I've been living in New York for ten years now, given a packet of peanuts and a bottle of cola (they let y'all have Coke? We were a strictly Pepsi household, as at the time you got more fizzy water for the same money) I do the very same thing.

                                                                                                                                                                  To the eternal amusement of my wife and co-workers.

                                                                                                                                                                  - er

                                                                                                                                                                  Link: http://enrevanche.blogspot.com

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                                                                                                                                                                    poppytrail RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 01:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    I went to a pub last week that had a peanut butter burger on the menu. I took the bait and I was delightfully surprised at how good it was. Classic burger with lettuce, toms and onion with a scoop of crunchy peanut butter. This is a quirk I could live with in Boston.

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                                                                                                                                                                      like a racehorse RE: poppytrail Jan 19, 2005 02:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      actually not a boston thing. not sure how old this tactic is and who can actually claim the intellectual property, but i've seen it at other places in NY and CA.

                                                                                                                                                                      did you have your burg at bukowski's by chance?

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                                                                                                                                                                      gp RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 02:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Where can a person find a "grinder" on the West Coast? It's a sandwich. Is that only on the East Coast?

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                                                                                                                                                                        Candy RE: gp Jan 19, 2005 02:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        When I lived in Connecticut they refered to subs as grinders.

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                                                                                                                                                                          Ellen RE: Candy Jan 19, 2005 02:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I thought that grinders were subs that were heated.

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                                                                                                                                                                            drew RE: Ellen Jan 19, 2005 10:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            i thought that when subs were heated they called them 'hero's'

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                                                                                                                                                                              maria lorraine RE: drew Apr 4, 2007 10:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              I've had oyster grinders in New Orleans. They rocked my world.

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                                                                                                                                                                                Isabella RE: maria lorraine Jun 10, 2007 10:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                Glad you liked them Maria.
                                                                                                                                                                                We call them po-boys, or po'boys.

                                                                                                                                                                                I had one last night!

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                                                                                                                                                                          Cyndy RE: gp Jan 19, 2005 09:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          We call them submarines...or just subs. Some places in the midwest call them hoagies...some places call them torpedos...some call them italian sandwiches...it's truly a regional thing but it's all the same sandwich. I know this because A) I live on the west coast and B) I just watched 'The Secret Life of Sandwiches' on the food network. *lol*

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                                                                                                                                                                            hotteacher1976 RE: Cyndy Jul 31, 2007 09:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            they are hoagies in Philly (so those in the midwest stole the name without knowing why)

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                                                                                                                                                                            Gene RE: gp Jan 20, 2005 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Grinders were Providence , R .I . Hero's / Subs etc
                                                                                                                                                                            Also in R.I. if you ordered a milk shake you got milk and flavoring , if you wanted ice cream in it you ordered a " cabinet "

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                                                                                                                                                                              Fort Point RE: Gene Jan 20, 2005 03:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Also in Rhode Island you can buy coffee flavored milk in the dairy section. Think it is the only state (perhaps some areas of adjoining MA and CT) that you can buy it pre mixed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                flavrmeistr RE: Gene Jan 20, 2005 10:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                My Connecticut-raised wife calls subs "grinders". She calls a water fountain a "bubbler" and a yard sale a "tag sale". She still laughs at me for saying "thee-yay-ter" and "motor-awl"... *sigh*...we don't get out much.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  hypertomatoes RE: flavrmeistr Apr 5, 2007 10:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Haha! I'm all too familiar with the Connecticut-isms, as my (CT-bred) friends and I jab each other about stuff like this. I still just cannot call a shopping cart a 'carriage' :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                    misohungrychewlow RE: hypertomatoes May 16, 2007 04:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    In southwestern Connecticut the word for heroes/grinders is wedges.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Put a Sake in it RE: misohungrychewlow May 16, 2007 06:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I grew up in southwestern CT, and all my life I have called it a grinder.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        shellyesq RE: misohungrychewlow May 18, 2007 11:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I grew up in southwestern CT and don't remember ever hearing wedges until I went to Westchester Co., NY. Subs and heroes seemed to be more common names for it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Solstice444 RE: shellyesq Jul 26, 2007 08:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          I grew up in Westchester County, NY and I have never heard those sandwiches called wedges anywhere else! My friends at college thought I was crazy to call it that. Maybe Fairfield County, CT has some of the Westchester influence...but my friend who lived closer to Hartford always called them grinders.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            misohungrychewlow RE: Solstice444 Jul 26, 2007 02:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            A separate thread evolved on this subject -- the research showed that the term probably was coined in Yonkers or thereabouts and is widely used as far north as ... several train stops in CT. It's standard usage in Stamford but disappears somewhere around Norwalk; it's apparently unknown in Bridgeport, maybe even in Fairfield.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      ctflowers RE: flavrmeistr Oct 8, 2007 06:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm originally from Atlanta, GA, but I moved to Connecticut twelve years ago. Imagine my confusion...

                                                                                                                                                                                      In Georgia: In Connecticut:
                                                                                                                                                                                      Subs Grinder
                                                                                                                                                                                      Yard Sale Tag Sale
                                                                                                                                                                                      Diet Coke Sorry, we don't have Coke, only Pepsi
                                                                                                                                                                                      Shopping Cart Carriage
                                                                                                                                                                                      Grits What are grits?
                                                                                                                                                                                      Sweet Tea Iced Tea (unsweetened)


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                                                                                                                                                                                    vermontpoet RE: gp Jul 24, 2007 07:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    When I was growing up in Vermont, all sub type sandwiches were called Grinders. For a long time, I didn't realize they even had other names! Now there are so many "flatlanders" living here (a term for anyone who doesn't hail from Vermont) that the term "sub" is just as popular, if not more so, than "grinder".
                                                                                                                                                                                    When I worked at a small country store that also sold sandwiches, the most often requested order was an Italian Grinder with Oil.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    foodiex2 RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 02:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    My first thanksgiving at my IL's in Northern MD consisted of all the regulars but also sauerkraut. Bizarre! Oh and the salad was green jello with bits of carrots and other veggies in it and some kind of creamy stuff running through it. Nasty.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Of course breakfast the next day included scrapple

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                                                                                                                                                                                      SuzyInChains RE: foodiex2 Jan 19, 2005 02:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Growing up in Northern Maryland, our school cafeteria Thanksgiving meals always included sauerkraut along with all of the traditional items. At that time, I thought that it was a standard part of the meal and couldn't understand why Mom (a transplant from Pennsylvania) never made it for our Thanksgiving meal at home.

                                                                                                                                                                                      And yes, I still have sauerkraut on turkey day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Christina D RE: SuzyInChains Jan 20, 2005 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm in MD and it's not Thanksgiving in our family without sauerkraut and kielbasa. I cook my kraut in beer, with caraway and celery seeds, then add in the sausage.

                                                                                                                                                                                        What few leftovers there are don't last for long. It's especially good on a big pile of mashed potatoes with a hefty pat of butter between.


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                                                                                                                                                                                          bitsubeats RE: Christina D May 18, 2007 04:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          yep, from maryland here and thanksgiving or christmas dinner isn't complete without sauerkraut

                                                                                                                                                                                          sauerkraut is an amish thing and I think it's supposed to be eaten on new years eve for good luck?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            ktmoomau RE: bitsubeats Jul 3, 2007 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            When I go to other people's Thanksgiving I always found it wierd that they didn't have it. It is so so good with your turkey and mashed potatoes. Def an amish thing, there is a large amish population in MD/PA. Another New Years tradition is black eyed peas for good luck.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Also pepperoni rolls are regional. My west coast friends are now hooked on them. I couldn't imagine life without pepperoni rolls.

                                                                                                                                                                                            And of course Old Bay on everything mmm MD.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              starlady RE: ktmoomau Jul 25, 2007 12:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              My family lived in Baltimore for 2 years and we couldn't understand why anyone would want to hide the wonderful taste of fresh seafood by coating it in Old Bay! YUCK.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                ElsieDee RE: ktmoomau Jul 27, 2007 09:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                What's a pepperoni roll?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Solstice444 RE: ElsieDee Jul 30, 2007 11:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  In NY it's dough with pepperoni and cheese rolled in...sort of like a spiral pinwheel type thing...at least that's what I've seen! They have them at pizza places although I don't remember actually having one ever, since I tend to just get pizza.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    ktmoomau RE: Solstice444 Oct 10, 2007 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    No, No, No!!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Pepperoni rolls hail from West Virginia. Actually Fairmont West Virginia to be specific. It comes from many Italian coal miners wives who wanted to make something the workers could take for their lunch. They are made with normally regular bread dough surrounding either multiple slices or a log of pepperoni baked in the middle so the juices go into the bread. Some people also will add a little cheese or some hot or sweet peppers. They look like little rolls a little longer and skinnier than a dinner roll. You probably won't find many outside WV, Western Maryland or parts of Pennsylvania. You can mail order them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think they are now on wikipedia.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think I like Old Bay as much on non-seafood as seafood. But I do like some on my crabs. Not tons, but enough. I really like it on boardwalk fries, though. I will even put it on buttered popcorn.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Woodside Al RE: ktmoomau Oct 10, 2007 10:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      In that area they seem to derive from self-contained miners' foods, much like northern Michigan pasties. But NYC pizzerias certainly do serve up the spiral thing as described above, which is called a "pepperoni roll" around these parts. Usually found in the case at the counter with the other "rolls," calzones, etc. and heated in the pizza oven before serving to customers, often with a side cup of marinara sauce for dipping.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        atraxia RE: ktmoomau Oct 10, 2007 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        oh god. i loooooooooooove pepperoni rolls. I went to WVU - and in the mornings - as i walked to class - you could smell fresh pepperoni rolls being baked.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        do you have a site that offers the mail order? i haven't had one in 6 or so years.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          ktmoomau RE: atraxia Oct 15, 2007 12:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I googled, hope this helps:

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I try to look for places from Fairmont. I think I listed some on another thread, I can't find the one I really like I will keep looking I thought it had green and red on the site. I will try to search the DC/Baltimore board I think I listed it there, but maybe they changed their website.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I just got to have some this weekend so good, but I only got to have one as they ran out quickly at the party so I might have to make some. I don't order them as much anymore because I make them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            ktmoomau RE: ktmoomau Oct 15, 2007 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Here is the other one. They have classic and with cheeses.


                                                                                                                                                                                                            Other places may make something they call a pepperoni roll, but this is the real deal history wise. If it is made with pizza dough then it really is probably a calzone or variation and not a roll made with roll dough. Oh now, I am hungry. These are so addictive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            deibu RE: foodiex2 Jan 19, 2005 05:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Here in South Carolina, rice and gravy is the traditional side for Thanksgiving turkey, rather than mashed potatoes and gravy... It's thought to be a holdover from the early 19th century, when SC was a major rice-producing state.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Mickie RE: deibu Jan 19, 2005 09:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              SC girl here and we too, had rice and gravy on Thanksgiving---and also dressing...not stuffing.

                                                                                                                                                                                              My midwestern husband laughed at his first T-Day down South...cause we have FRIED dressing!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                starlady RE: Mickie Apr 4, 2007 11:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                In my family for Christmas - we celebrate canadian TG but not the American one even though for a time we lived in the states. We always have Roasted potatoes never mashed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  PDeveaux RE: Mickie Oct 7, 2007 03:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I grew up in north Florida with parents and grandparents from Georgia and North Carolina. We had baked dressing made from cornbread, not white bread. And there were no potatoes or rice at Thanksgiving dinner. The dressing was so yummy we didn't need any. We put the giblet gravy on the dressing and the turkey.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Then we had turkey sandwiches in the evening with the inevitable discussion about whether they were better with mayo or mustard. I always only used mayo.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                MommaJ RE: foodiex2 Jul 4, 2007 12:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                It's been years, but i still remember my shock and confusion when our newly-arrived nanny from Wisconsin put lime Jello and mini-marshmallows on the grocery list so she could make a "salad" for dinner! (And no, I didn't let those items get anywhere near my "carriage".)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  vermontpoet RE: MommaJ Jul 24, 2007 07:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  My Vermont Grandma was passionate about molded Jell-O salads with various canned fruit added...usually either green or red Jell-O. My mom dutifully made them for her every Christmas, and I must admit that I kind of miss the gloppy things. They were a festive, if tacky, bit of color at the holiday table. But...I don't miss them enough to include them in my own family's Christmas dinners!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Our "festive" Christmas dinner appetizer always was Cranberry Cocktail, mixed with a bit of ginger ale for fizz and topped with a scoop of lime sherbet. This could also be ordered at area restaurants!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    invinotheresverde RE: vermontpoet Oct 10, 2007 08:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I believe that's called a shrub. I'm assuming they're a New England thing, as we had them growing up in MA, although the sherbet was orange. Lime sounds better, though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Candy RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 02:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                The area my family is from in south eastern Arizona always made flat stacked enchiladas. Stacked up like pancakes and often there was a fried egg served on top.
                                                                                                                                                                                                They are called Sonoran enchiladas and I never saw rolled enchiladas until I was about 17 and visiting family in Anaheim. They were a surprise to me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  e.d. RE: Candy Jan 20, 2005 08:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  In Yuma, when the menu says Sonoran it usually means with a flour tortilla instead of corn. Sonoran rolled tacos will be meat etc rolled in a flour tortilla and then fried. But never heard of Sonoran enchiladas

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Candy RE: e.d. Jan 20, 2005 11:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    They are made with corn tortillas. Fry the tortilla lightly in oil and then dip into enchilada sauce and place flat on a plate. Top with shredded cheese and chopped onions. Repeat until you have as many stacked up as you like. Place in a hot oven to melt cheese and heat. Top with a fried egg and garnish with chopped lettuce.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    To me if it is in a four tortila it is a burrito or something on the way to being a chimichanga and not an enchilada. I think Texans use flour more than we did.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yclops RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 02:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Growing up in Utah, the standard french fry accompaniment was "fry sauce", a mixture of ketchup, mayo, and (I believe) pickle juice. All local burger places served fry sauce. Not exactly revolutionary, but I've rarely seen it elsewhere.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Also, "scones" were deep-fried puffy breads similar to sopapillas. There was (is) even a local chain called Sconecutters that served sandwiches on these types of scones. It wasn't 'til I left Utah that I realized that the Queen probably didn't deep-fry her scones and eat them with honey-butter.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    DB RE: Yclops Jan 19, 2005 03:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm a native Utahn (rhymes with crouton) too! They actually serve fry sauce at some McDonald's in Utah just like they serve regional specialties at other branches of the chain in different states (lobster rolls at Mcdonald's in New England).

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I didn't realize until I moved away that many people outside of Utah consider Jell-o a dessert. I had grown up thinking it was a salad, even without the traditional Mormon add-ins.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yclops RE: DB Jan 20, 2005 11:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      LOL! You mean Jell-O can be served without cottage cheese, walnuts, and fruit cocktail mixed in? Heresy!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      drew RE: Yclops Jan 19, 2005 10:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I remeber working in Pocatello Idaho and seeing a sign in a fast food chain window that read "try our fry sauce" so naturally we did. I remember asking the counter person what it was and he shrugged his shoulders and said, "it's mayonaise and ketchup mixed together". LOL

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Karl S. RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 02:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ask for "coffee regular" in much of New England and you get coffee with cream and two sugars.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jambalaya RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 02:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Growing up in Buffalo, we used to visit the Northern Lake Erie shore and there were a couple of Drive Up stands that had Canadian Bacon subs which you washed down with a Loganberry. I think the Logey is something you won't find anywhere else. This may not be that unusual, but it sure was good and would love to have one of those subs now. BTW everyone up there had vinegar on their fries, we always thought that was a typically Canadian thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Speaking of Canadian things, how about having chocolate with your beer? It wasn't until I actually tried this with a nice stout a year or two ago that I realized how good it was.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm also surprised no one's mentioned fried brain sandwiches from the Evansville, Ind. area. Now there's something that's strange. I can't say too much about it because I've never gotten the courage to actually try one. As you can imagine, its cholesterol city.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Candy RE: Jambalaya Jan 19, 2005 03:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          There is a diner in Bloomington that offers fried brains.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          And then there is the state special, tenderloin sandwiches. The best i've ever had are at the Gnawbone (IN) Marathon Food and Fuel gas station. They make them by hand. They actually got a write up by the Stern's in their roadfood column in Gourmet a few years ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            flavrmeistr RE: Candy Jan 20, 2005 10:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I worked with a guy from southern Indiana that ate raw pig brains for lunch every day. Talk about quirky...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          sudiepav RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 02:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          In Cincinnati, green peppers are referred to as mangoes, as in stuffed mangoes. If you want a real mango, you have to ask for a "fruit mango."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kirk RE: sudiepav Jan 19, 2005 03:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Don't forget Cincinnati Chili, served on spaghetti and spiced with cinnamon. And Red Cream Soda. Mettwurst at the ballpark. Also, Goetta (sort of like scrapple) from across the river in KY.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              chowmeow RE: Kirk Jan 28, 2005 03:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Uhmm, love Skyline chili!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              lulubelle RE: sudiepav Apr 6, 2007 04:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              My grandmother, from Hamilton, always used to call them this, and confused the heck out of those of us who didn't grow up there.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              The other thing I associate with Cincinnati is "red pop" aka red cream soda.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                nurk grl RE: lulubelle May 19, 2007 10:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                wow -- REDPOP! I'm from Ohio and forgot all about that stuff! Another Ohio thing
                                                                                                                                                                                                                was peanut butter and mayo sandwiches (didn't realize they were considered weird until
                                                                                                                                                                                                                I left...) also pb and bacon. Don't scoff til you try it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ellen RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 02:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              In central joisey certain bakeries advertise a "buttered roll and coffee" as a breakfast special. I've only seen it in this area and have yet to figure out why it's considered a special. In Pennsylvania we put mustard on our soft pretzels and cheez wiz on our steaks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                lollya RE: Ellen Apr 5, 2007 08:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                we put mustard on our soft pretzels too! (minneapolis)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Chilepm RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 03:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                When we were young (50's)we had a small restaurant and used to make our own pies. Everyday a gentleman would come in to have a piece of apple pie with....homeade brown gravy. He was from Missouri.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Another put pepper in his coffee. Don't know where he was from. I accidently did this once instead of adding cinnamon as I usually do and it wasn't bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                And yes, growing up in New Mexico, we also, had pancake style enchiladas and also fried our rellenos on the griddle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Made our own tortillas in those days.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Now THAT is quirky!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Candy RE: Chilepm Jan 19, 2005 03:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What I miss from NM is green chile cheeseburgers and cheese fries from the Owl in Las Vegas, N. Mex. I've never been able to quite duplicate them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    PhoebeB RE: Candy Jun 8, 2007 07:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Candy, the only kind of burger I ever make is a green chile cheeseburger, but if I told you how I make it I'd have to kill you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ellen RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 03:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In Western Maryland and into southern PA they serve "steamer" at auctions and church bazaars. It's vaguely spiced ground beef served on a hot dog roll, but without tomato sauce like a sloppy joe. Looks similar to Roseanne's "loose meat sandwich." I don't recommend it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Kelly Migliaccio RE: Ellen Jan 20, 2005 09:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That sounds like what I grew up calling a "gutbuster" or a "guttie". My Dad's family is from Hanover PA and this was hamburger meat on a hot dog roll with sauce (sort of like chili but not really) diced onions and mustard. I really loved them, but it's sort of an aquired taste. You could also get the sandwich with a hot dog instead of the hamburger meat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Evan RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 03:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Some Northern NJ specialties

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    At a diner you definitely order cheese fries and (brown) gravy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Also, I have yet to find taylor ham anywhere else but in Northern Jersey.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sloppy Joes - a Northern Jersey deli specialty, not taco meat on a bun. A triple decker sandwich consisting of turkey, roast beef, and corned beef, cole slaw and russian dressing

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      bob RE: Evan Jan 19, 2005 10:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Taylor Ham is from Trenton, and is found all over NJ, not just in the north, you are right on the money about the sloppy joes though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      melissa RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      In sweden, you get mashed potatoes with your hotdog instead of a bun, topped with either sweet mustard or ketchup and fried onions. plus, when you order pizza, they streak it with pre-made cheese based "sauce" that is squeezed out from a tube-much like toothpaste.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i also knew a girl from Michigan who made Thanksgiving yams with marshmallows.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        drew RE: melissa Jan 19, 2005 10:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think marshmallows and yams is all that quirky. Actually I think more people prepare them that way!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Davey RE: drew Jan 20, 2005 12:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Then you haven't left your region. I've never heard of this practice so it must be regional ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Linda W. RE: Davey Jan 20, 2005 02:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Or perhaps it's just not in your region. I've lived in New England, Pennsylvania, and the NY tristate area, and have friends in the deep South, Florida, Midwest and the Texas area who all make sweet potato or yam casseroles with marshmallows.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ellen RE: Linda W. Jan 20, 2005 03:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Me too. I thought it was as common as green bean casserole. Actually, aren't they supposed to be served together?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                thenurse RE: Ellen Jul 24, 2007 06:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I had never heard of green bean casserole or yams and marshmallows until I lived in the Midwest (I'm from Toronto). I don't miss it since moving back!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                SLO RE: Linda W. Jan 20, 2005 04:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                .... with canned pineapple mixed into the mashed sweet potatoes!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  starlady RE: SLO Apr 4, 2007 05:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I thought it was only on TV... :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                RoxyGrl RE: Davey Feb 5, 2005 01:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Got it here in CA too - don't forget the brown sugar....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  lollya RE: RoxyGrl Apr 5, 2007 08:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  hahah! (minneapolis here)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  we've always had them that way (butter, brown sugar and topped with marshmallow or that marshamallow fluff) ish...i quite disliked the sweet potato/yam/squash deal altogether until i tried it with just butter and honey. delicious!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  othervoice RE: Davey Jul 26, 2007 05:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm from New England and I lived in California for 25 years.....lots of people make yams with marshmallows.....seen it many places. I don't particularly like it, but lots of people do.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                UptownKevin RE: melissa Jan 20, 2005 11:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "i also knew a girl from Michigan who made Thanksgiving yams with marshmallows. "

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Doesn't everyone? :)


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Link: http://www.nolafoodie.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Davey RE: melissa Jan 20, 2005 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BTW - sweet potatoes or yams? I think sweet potatoes are the orange flesh/red skin and yams are the yellow-white flesh/rough brown skin.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Candy RE: Davey Jan 20, 2005 03:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Actually no. What is sold in the American supermarkets as Yams are really sweet potatoes. I think it was the Louisiana growers who wanted to set their sweet potatoes apart from all of the other states sweet potatoes and started calling thiers yams. A true yam is a different plant species and not widely available in the US, but if they are they are found in ethnic markets. They have more natural sugar than sweet potatoes and have fewer amounts of vitamin A and C. There are over 150 varieties and are mainly cultivated in Central and South America. The flesh can be white, yellow, purple or pink and the skins are off white to dark brown. They can range in size from the size of a regular potato to up to 150 lbs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      melissa RE: Candy Jan 20, 2005 09:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      thanks candy. :) very thorough explanation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i gave up calling yams sweet potatoes when i moved to canada...as they, when in Rome...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        starlady RE: Candy Apr 4, 2007 05:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What would you do with a 150 lbs sweet potato? That's one big potato party

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sam Fujisaka RE: Candy May 16, 2007 05:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Here's a reply from a couple of years later. The biggest sweet potato producer is China. Much of it for livestock feed. Orange fleshed sweet potato is good in providing pro-vitamin A to developing children.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            PhoebeB RE: Sam Fujisaka May 18, 2007 08:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think "Yam" came to be a Southern catchall term for all sweet potatoes because it's short and catchy--as "Coke" was the word for any carbonated drink when I was a kid in Texas.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My mother called them yams until she died last May at age 97. And though we know better my kids and I still debate the best way to fix the Thanksgiving "yams". (I'm of the whipped-with-orange juice/orange zest/nutmeg/Five Spice school and the grandkids, of course, are of the marshmallow school.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We compromise by doing them my way with a generous layer of mini-marshmallows on top so the non-mm contingent can just dip from underneath the topping.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              therealbigtasty RE: PhoebeB May 18, 2007 11:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Older folks in Indiana call Bell Peppers "Mangoes"...it's true.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sister Sue RE: PhoebeB Jul 25, 2007 12:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                PhoebeB, no self respecting Mississippian would ever call sweet potatoes yams. They are properly called sweet 'taters. "Yam" is not part of my Southern upbringing. Why Sugar, a Mississippi town, Vardaman, even lays claim to the title of "Sweet Potato Capitol" of the world. And, each March southern humor writer, Jill Connor Browne, marches in her full "Sweet Potato Queen" regalia in the St. Paddy's Day Parade in Jackson. She is just darlin'! Now Honey, if you are ever in these parts around Thanksgiving, come and have some of my famous (at least within my family) sweet 'taters with bourbon and pecans. They'll make you slap yo' momma, they're so good!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  niki rothman RE: Sister Sue Jul 26, 2007 07:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, OK Sister Sue, they are both sweet potatoes, but if you want the ones with the dark purple skins (which most people outside Miss. call yams) instead of the light tan skinned ones we call sweet potatoes and you need to send your husband to the store with a list, what do you write on it so he brings home the right thing?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sister Sue RE: niki rothman Jul 26, 2007 01:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Beauregard is the variety primarily grown in Mississippi. It is tan skinned. That is the only variety that I have ever found at the state run Farmer's Market that supposedly only sells state grown goods in Jackson, where I buy most of my produce. In fact, I don't know that I have ever seen anything other than tan skinned ones at the grocery store. I have only found the purple skinned sweet 'taters when I have gone to N.O. or Atlanta or somewhere else out of state.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      niki rothman RE: Sister Sue Jul 26, 2007 02:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      OK Sister Sue, I'm assuming then that you would just call this entirely different vegetable "purple skinned sweet 'taters" if you needed to specify?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sister Sue RE: niki rothman Jul 26, 2007 08:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, Niki, yes. That is what the vegetabel is. How do you differentiate?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          niki rothman RE: Sister Sue Jul 26, 2007 08:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sweet potato=the tan skin with light orange inside, more starchy, less sweet.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yam=dark purple/maroon skin, darker bright orange inside, less startchy, sweeter.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              hotteacher1976 RE: Candy Jul 31, 2007 09:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              the yam is an African root veggie

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            vermontpoet RE: melissa Jul 24, 2007 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When i visited Switzerland and went skiing in the Alps with a bunch of Swiss High School students (I was in HS too at the time..a zillion years ago..eek) our mid-ski snack served outside on picnic tables halfway up the mountain...was baguettes with pate that was squeezed out of tubes also like toothpaste. Our apres ski snack was always chunks of good Swiss chocolate on baguette washed down with pitchers of hot sweet tea. mmmmmmm

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Peter Flom RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 04:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            In Israel, in addition to great falafel and shwarma stands, there are juice vendors selling fresh squeezed juices. One I found especially refreshing was pomegranite juice

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Peter Flom RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 04:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My paternal grandparents were from a shtetl in Russia called Kipula (not sure where it is). My dad grew up in NYC, eating boiled veal with lima beans. Never heard of this anywhere else

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Shmingrid RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 04:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not so much a wierd-thing-to-eat but...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I took an Ohioan buddy of mine out to eat in Baltimore. Of course, she ordered a crabcake. The octagenarian waitress asked "how you want that crabcake, hon?" This means; do you want that fried or broiled?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not knowing the protocol, my friend answered "medium rare".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Darlene RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 06:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Growing up in Texas, I got used to chicken fried steak that was real steak, dipped in flour and pan fried and of course the potato wedges had white gravy on them as well as the steak. In Missouri where I am now, if you order chicken fried steak, you usually get what I call a deep fried fritter which is not nearly the same. I do miss those chicken (or country) fried steak dinners!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    PhoebeB RE: Darlene Jun 8, 2007 07:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If I were on death row my last meal would be a real Texas Main St. cafe blueplate special chicken-fried steak, with mashed potatoes, thick creamy peppery pan gravy made w/the skilllet deglazings, green beans cooked butter-tender w/salt pork and onion, a couple of slices of ripe beefsteak tomato on the side.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm making me cry.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      starlady RE: PhoebeB Jul 25, 2007 12:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have always wondered WTH is CHICKEN fried STEAK? I don't get it. Is it chicken or beef. Is it chicken made to look like steak? Is it steak battered and deep-fried like chicken? PLease explain....thx

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Foodie in Friedberg RE: starlady Jul 25, 2007 06:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It is steak that is dipped into seasoned flour, egg wash, then back in the seasoned flour, then pan fried until golden and crispy... and when the steaks are done cooking you make cream gravy in the same pan.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I moved to Texas when I was 15 and didn't try it until I was nearly 30.... to be quite honest I was scared. A native Texan friend of mine heard that and made up a batch for me... and while I LOVE hers I'm still scared to try it anywhere else!! Her husband lvoes when I come to town because she makes up a big ole' batch for me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kindofabigdeal RE: Foodie in Friedberg Jul 25, 2007 04:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          CFS can be very good or very bad. It should be clarified that it's usually a fairly tough steak (perhaps a round) tenderized, then prepared as mentioned. Also, by pan fried they mean in shallow oil, not just oil to coat. Since it is work intensive many restaurant versions are deep fried and use a packaged gravy. This is not a true CFS.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            starlady RE: kindofabigdeal Jul 26, 2007 11:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            PLEASE tell me that most of the oil from the pan is poured off before the cream gravy is made??
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Also cream gravy? I have seen a white-ish "gravy" on telly and wondered
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            a) what it tastes like (looks a little scary to me, but then so does CFS)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            b) what is in it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Gravy to me is...well...brownish in colour (for lack of better descriptors)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kindofabigdeal RE: starlady Jul 27, 2007 05:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, most of the oil is poured off. Just enough is left to make a roux (not that anyone making it would dare call it that). The primary flavor in the gravy is from the fond and often copious amounts of black pepper. Instead of stock or broth as a liquid, you use milk. If the gravy is nearly white, you'll know that they've used a package gravy. Proper cream gravy will have gathered enough color from the fond to be nearly light brown. That gravy you've seen on the telly is probably the same thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                niki rothman RE: kindofabigdeal Jul 27, 2007 02:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The French word "roux" would be in common usage in the Southern parts of the US anywhere where the Arcadian (Canadian) French who were expelled from Canada by the British background Canadians settled after their forced diaspora many years ago. This is why some of the best cooking in the US, which is heavily French influenced, comes out of New Orleans. Chef Paul Prudhomme, one of my herores, in his wonderful cookbooks, gives instructions for making the several different types of roux that result from the length of time and level of heat at which the fat and flour is fried. The lightest being blond and the darkest being a very, very dark brown.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  thenurse RE: niki rothman Jul 27, 2007 04:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think you mean A-C-A-D-I-A-N-S

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    niki rothman RE: thenurse Jul 27, 2007 07:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hi, I'm a nurse too!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I looked up both words and Acadia is now more common, but Arcadia was the first spelling, according to the "Dictionary of Canadian Biography" given by an early explorer, and survives in place names in Nova Scotia, Alberta, and Louisiana - all as one might suspect given the sad dispersion of the French Canadian outcasts. The Arcadian spelling is seen less frequently than the Acadian spelling, but is actually, in terms of etymology, the more authentic spelling, according to Wikipedia, refering to the beauty of the trees in the area reminding early settlers of the Ancient Greek Arcadia. Similarly many place names in the New World reference names from Greek mythology.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Eat_Nopal RE: Foodie in Friedberg Jul 26, 2007 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And you consider yourself a CH?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Anywaaaaay.... I interpret the name as a Hamburg or similiar Steak that is cooked in the same technique as Fried Chicken... "Chicken Fried" the adjective describing the technique.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So there is REAAALLY nothing to worry about. Even in East L.A. I grew up with the occassional CFS.. particularly in a sandwich.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Foodie in Friedberg RE: Eat_Nopal Jul 27, 2007 05:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I suppose I'll have to live with being voted off your chowhound island.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm not a huge red meat eater, and when I do eat it I want it to be good. The reason I avoid chicken fried steak in a restaurant is the fear of grissly meat is hiding under that heavy crust.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Eat_Nopal RE: Foodie in Friedberg Jul 30, 2007 03:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I apologize on behalf of all CFS fans... I can't remember the last time I have encountered any perceptible grizzle on a CFS (should be same quality meat as a burger... interpret that as you will).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Foodie in Friedberg RE: Eat_Nopal Jul 30, 2007 11:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It was probably an irrational fear on my part since I have no hard evidence of anyone hiding shoe leather (or worse!) under that crispy coating. And since I I do love the stuff but would hate to burden my friend with being the sole source of CFS for the remainder of my life, I might just give a restaurant version a try next time I'm in Texas.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Betty RE: Foodie in Friedberg Sep 6, 2007 08:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This exchange was amusing and appreciated. CFS is the official "state meal" of Oklahoma (as if our legislature has nothing else to deal with). I almost never ever order it in a restaurant, for all of the reasons listed above by others and, for one, nobody will ever make it like my mama did., nobody will ever make gravy like my daddy did. I don't use the "right" cut of meat for it myself (I use arm roast, I know, shocking isn't it!). But when it is done authentically and WELL, it is a delicious, satisfying dish made from a poor cut of meat and made for people who have been doing manual labor all day. I recommend only Del Rancho for the sandwich version (Braum's if Del Rancho isn't available) and "Granny Had One" on Harrison St. in Guthrie OK for a slightly different but well done version (they change their menu regularly so I'm guessing it is still there) and RJ's Cafe, 4221 N. Santa Fe, in Oklahoma City for the classic "cops and state capitol workers' lunch" version. (The state of Oklahoma would grind to a halt without RJ's and Leo's, although it would be hard to tell)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            oryza RE: starlady Feb 18, 2008 11:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            lol... it muddled me too; and then I kind of figured it out... until the day my friend ordered "chicken fried chicken" at a restaurant

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        phoebek RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 07:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think this is necessarily regional, but when I was a kid growing up in upstate NY, my mom always ate watermelon with bread. She said she'd learned to do that from her grandmother, a Sicilian immigrant.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kathy RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 07:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          At home in hawaii, we mold rice into a rectangular shape, fry sliced spam in teriyaki sauce, put it on top of the rice rectangle and wrap it with nori (seaweed). And there you go, spam musubi!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We also eat a lot of shave ice, I suppose it is similar to snocones except the ice is shaved down to a powdery consistency and served in a cone or cup with azuki beans and condensed milk on the bottom, topped of with a mound of shaved ice and a generous squirt of syrup, such as li hing mui or rainbow flavor. So good when its burning hot outside!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            melissa RE: kathy Jan 20, 2005 02:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i was wondering when anyone would mention spam musubi. my mom used to fry them up with eggs for lunch if she was pressed for time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              flavrmeistr RE: kathy Jan 20, 2005 10:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I noticed a hotbox full of those spam and rice things at a 7-Eleven in Waimanalo. My friends there say it's the Hawaiian version of a hot dog. They're not bad.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sizzle RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 07:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Here in North Carolina , if you order a hamburger "all the way," it will come dressed in mustard, coleslaw, chile, (no beans), and onion.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Mickie RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 09:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Growing up in SC, we looked forward to Saturday's at a Pete's Drive-in where we would order a chili-cheese (cheeseburger with chili--no beans--mustard and onions) and an order of half and half (half french fries and half onion rings).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Boiled peanuts at the ballgames...and some friends would swear by fried bologna sandwiches (YUCK!)--with mayo and ketchup and a cold RC Cola and a Moon Pie.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kc girl RE: Mickie Jan 25, 2005 10:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Is "SC" to you South Carolina? or Southern California. Because we have the same things at Tommy's - chili burger- same way - no beans, mustard and with onions (and a tomato) and half and half.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Cyndy RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 19, 2005 09:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Poutine...fries with cheese curds and gravy. Originated in Montreal, now everywhere up here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Buffalo Burgers on Bannock at UBC Museum of Anthropology, UBC Cinnamon Buns and Ponderosa Cake!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Malt vinegar on fries, Salmon everything, Maple anything, and of course, Dare Cookies.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    srr RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 20, 2005 02:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't think anyone has mentioned this one...I lived in Seattle for a while and it seemed that everyone dipped french fries (and any other fried thing) in tartar sauce.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ellen RE: srr Jan 20, 2005 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I used to eat that at Bistro Francais in Georgetown in the 70s. They made their own tartare sauce and it was an awesome combination.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        flavrmeistr RE: Ellen Jan 20, 2005 10:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        In Baltimore, they serve fries w/gravy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Don RE: flavrmeistr Jan 21, 2005 01:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Okay, don't get it.. Fries with vinnegar? (usually malt vinnegar) Not that unusual if you've ordered fish n chips in a pub.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Not to mention the tartar sauce that can get on your fries too!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Fries + gravy has, for as long as I can remember always been around (20+ years).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Add some cheesecurds, and voila, poutine!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          At Taco Hell here, you can get "Fries Supreme".. ground beef, cheese, sour cream and onions over fries instead of nacho chips. (I DO find it odd that you can't get fries in american taco bells tho!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Fries + mayo, while not as popular, everyone has heard of at least.. (you can get fry mayo at the dutch grocery store)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ray RE: Don Jan 21, 2005 06:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Nobody said that these things were new or unusual. The thread was about things that may be popular in some parts of the country, but may get you strange looks in other parts (like peanuts in Coke, as the original poster began with).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              petradish RE: Don Jan 21, 2005 01:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              in the taco shops of san diego (also spreading north into OC & parts of LA) there are "california burritos" filled w/ carne asada, french fries (or chunks of potato), cheese, sour cream, guacamole, salsa mexicana/fresca. "carne asada fries" are fries smothered with the above, minus the tortilla.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ExercisetoEat RE: srr Apr 5, 2007 02:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm a Pacific NW native, and pretty much can't eat fries without a side of tartar sauce. It's quite unhealthy, but oh so addictive! Now my SO is hooked too...you should see the looks you get in the Midwest when you ask for a side of tartar sauce with your burger and fries! =)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Vexorg RE: srr May 15, 2007 11:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do this fairly often (I suspect it's something that originally probably came out of the fish-and-chip places like Ivar's) although I haven't ever noticed it to be something that would be peculari to the Pacific Northwest. The fries they serve at Red Robin are particularly good with tartar sauce though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chocolatetartguy RE: srr Oct 4, 2007 06:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Didn't know that others did this, but steakcut fries are the perfect vessel of Tadich Grill's (SF) tartar sauce. After the fish, it seemed like the logical way to get more of that great sauce.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              MidtownCoog RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 20, 2005 08:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              More of a snack, but eating Louisana Hotsauce (not Tabasco) on deep fried pork rinds.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                chilepm RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 20, 2005 09:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Midwesterners use salt or sugar on sliced tomatoes and salt on watermelon. Salt on grapefruit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In California, we squeeze lime on melons, probably originated in Mexico.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And fried pork rinds always eaten with salsa if not cooked in red chile.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Cooked greens...I prefer a little vinegar but many like hot sauce. Where are these preferences used?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  N Tocus RE: chilepm Jan 20, 2005 06:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My impression is that vinegar on greens is Appalachian and hot sauce on greens is more Deep South.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    flavrmeistr RE: N Tocus Jan 20, 2005 09:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    People all over the south use hot pepper vinegar on their greens. Also on red beans. Hot sauce is for everything else, especially grits and eggs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mhiggins RE: flavrmeistr Oct 17, 2007 03:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And french fries and hash browns.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  AimeeP RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 20, 2005 10:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In Minnesota they stuff turkey with a ground meat mixture called 'hot dish' rather than traditional stuffing/dressing

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    starlady RE: AimeeP Apr 4, 2007 05:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ah yes, but what is "traditional dressing"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yet another thing that I "believe" is regional.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Like my Mum's (and I haven't seen this anywhere else)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bread crumbs, S&P, milk, lots of savory and finely chopped onion.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      PhoebeB RE: starlady Jun 8, 2007 08:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Interesting question, "..but what is 'traditional dressing?'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The first Thanksgiving at Plymouth featured wild turkey with cornbread stuffing since corn was the only grain they had But cornbread/sage dressing somehow came to be considered a Southern thing. No one I ever met in New England or most anywhere north of the Mason/Dixon line (I and three of my daughters married Yankees and we've spent the last many years in Michigan and New England) ever thought of making it with cornbread until they tasted ours.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wonder how that happened?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ctflowers RE: PhoebeB Oct 8, 2007 06:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm originally from Atlanta, Georgia & we always had cornbread stuffing at Thanksgiving. I can't remember ever having stuffing made with bread until I moved to Connecticut.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    gp RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 20, 2005 12:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Berkeley : brown sugar offered with the other stuff at the "cream & sugar" area in a cafe

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Asian enclaves/markets in CA: pandan flavored(they're green) waffles eaten as a "to go" snack

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    everywhere in CA: Ranch dressing with everything...pizza, fries, sandwiches & even salads

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    New England: you can have your coffee sugar & creamed for you in the drive through at Dunkin Donuts

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Dunkin Donuts: the donut with "the handle" built into it's design for dunking

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    East Coast: coffee milk concentrate sold next to the Nestle Quick. Their milk shakes are just that, not with ice cream, those are called a frappe.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Karl S. RE: gp Jan 23, 2005 05:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The original "dunkin donut" was, IIRC, eliminated along with the real cruller and a couple of other hand-formed doughnuts a couple of years ago, much to the sadness of NE doughnut lovers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bob W. RE: Karl S. Jan 24, 2005 10:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Speaking of NE, in Rhode Island when you want a coffee with cream and sugar you ask for "coffee regular."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Miss Needle RE: Bob W. Jan 24, 2005 10:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've noticed this in New York as well. Funny, when I think of "coffee regular" I think of black.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bob W. RE: Miss Needle Jan 24, 2005 11:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I suspect that in RI at least, coffee with cream and sugar is the bridge between coffee milk (milk with coffee syrup, which is delicious) and unsweetened coffee.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The end result is a state full of people who are addicted to coffee before they are out of their teens.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree, the name is odd. But then again, so is RI.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ctflowers RE: Miss Needle Oct 8, 2007 06:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've lived in Connecticut, and I've never heard of the "coffee regular" thing. Although, I have ordered "regular" coffee, and I just get plain coffee.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Woodside Al RE: Miss Needle Oct 9, 2007 08:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "regular" coffee in NYC definitely comes with milk (not cream) & sugar.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                thenurse RE: Bob W. Jul 24, 2007 06:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Same as in Canada, or at least Southern Ontario.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Qwertyy RE: Karl S. Jan 24, 2005 03:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                No! You're kidding! Dunkin Donuts is also all over Chicago; I loved the funny-shaped donuts as a kid even before I knew they were for coffee.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Mr. F. RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 20, 2005 01:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Molasses and milk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't know if this is just a New England thing or if my mother is just an oddball. She loves this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In Vermont, it's odd to go to a community event in Feb or March that doesn't have Sugar on Snow.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ctflowers RE: Mr. F. Oct 8, 2007 06:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My mom always served me molasses and milk when I was a kid...and we lived in Georgia.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Monte RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 20, 2005 01:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                from toronto/ontario/canada

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ketchup on Kraft Dinner (macaroni & cheese)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                A Ceasar (like a bloody mary but with clam juice (clamato))

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Beer & Clam (3:1 beer to clamato juice)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Pad Thai in Toronto has a ketchup based sauce

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ketchup flavoured potato chips

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Toronto style bagels (doughnut shaped bread, baked and not boiled)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Low fat chocolate milk (they use 1% around here)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sadly, it sounds like were ketchup crazy up here!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  EP RE: Monte Jan 20, 2005 03:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ah, a moment of lyrical enlightment for those of us down south.... BNLs 'if I had a million dollars'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John Manzo RE: Monte Jan 24, 2005 10:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    BLOODY Caesars (aka "Caesars") are a Calgary invention, The Owls Nest resto in what is now the Westin.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Calgary also gave the rest of Canada ginger beef, Silver Inn Chinese resto, sometime in the 1960s. I like ginger beef only as an appie, like fried shrimp.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Davey RE: John Manzo Jan 27, 2005 09:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      According to clamato.com it was invented at marcos in calgary.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      According to about.com it was invented at Caesers palace in LV.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Your story is also different. what is the truth?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        John Manzo RE: Davey May 16, 2007 11:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        About is full of crap- it's not even known in the states. What rubbish. Clamato is correct since Marco's was set to open at the hotel and the drink was created at O.N. to commemorate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To clarify (from wiki):

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The cocktail, known in the U.S. as a clamdigger, was invented by bartender Walter Chell at the Owl's Nest Bar in the Westin Hotel in Calgary, Alberta, Canada in 1969, to accompany the opening of a new restaurant, "Marco's". In its original form, it contained tomato juice and mashed clams; Clamato had only just been released (with the assistance of Chell) by the American Mott's company that very year, and was not yet widely known or available.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      thenurse RE: Monte Jul 24, 2007 06:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not everywhere in Toronto uses ketchup for Pad Thai... only the pubs and nasty Thai places! I'm about to have some at Salad King on Gould, no ketchup there (thankfully!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RaiderCake RE: Monte Oct 14, 2007 07:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Monte - my family's Bloody Mary recipe calls for Clamato, which everyone thinks is weird (we're from TX) (And yes, we it a Bloody Mary, not a Caesar.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We also drink Beer & Clam, but we just call it "Red Beer" and it generally has lime juice in it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Lee RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 20, 2005 07:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I just remembered this from a long ago road trip: in Springfield, MO, cashew chicken includes chunks of fried chicken. Surprisingly tasty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          coll RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 21, 2005 07:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't know if this is regional. I grew up always putting ketchup on my eggs at breakfast. I've seen others do this, but I've gotten a lot of people actually grossed out by it too. How common do you think this is?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Lee RE: coll Jan 21, 2005 08:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My mom does it; she's a born and raised NYer. Has to be Heinz, of course. I think it's pretty widespread.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              neever RE: coll Jan 21, 2005 10:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              here in ireland, i know lots of people who do this, especially at breakfast time, and if the egg is part of a fry-up (eggs, sausages, bacon etc), but personally, it makes me gag!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Jule RE: coll Feb 10, 2005 04:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In Japan and Korea, a favorite breakfast food is omelet rice-consisting of fried rice, topped by plain omelet over which you'd smear ketchup. I have no clue why they eat them this way but I always opted out of the ketchup.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                neever RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 21, 2005 10:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                reading down, there are lots of posts about french fries, or, as we say on the other side of the pond, chips. in ireland, we eat them with everything - ketchup (red sauce), mayo, but most of all, LOTS of salt and vinegar - all Irish and lots of Scots, English and Welsh do this. we also eat chips in sandwiches - a chip butty! another speciality, really good after a few pints, is a 3 in 1, 1/2 fried rice, 1/2 chips (thick cut fries), drenched in a curry sauce that you only get in chinese take-aways. on really bad days i add a good spinkle of grated cheddar cheese!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  vidia RE: neever Jan 21, 2005 06:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The 3 in 1 sounds truly disgusting!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    DesperateDiner RE: neever Jan 25, 2005 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am WITH you on the chip butty drive!!! Fresh FRESH white bread, smothered in salted butter; put hot, fat chips (fries) on one half, cover with Ketchup and fold over... a drunken favourite- also works with sausages, black pudding or fish fingers

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Food Tourist RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 21, 2005 10:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you're ever in eastern Canada, specifically Nova Scotia, and you're drunk, try a donair. It's a pita stuffed full of mystery meat shaved off a rotating vertical spit, topped with onions, tomatoes and sweet donair sauce (usually containing Carnation milk, vinegar, and sugar - absolutely nothing like tzatziki). Some donairs are much better than others. I'm not sure if gyros or doner kebobs are similar.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    People on Cape Breton Island also like fried bologna with their breakfast. They bake "brown bread" containing molasses, not bran, and "porridge bread" containing leftover oatmeal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    A traditional South Shore dish called "tongues and sounds" contains the tongues and lungs of codfish. Fried cod cheeks are another delicacy!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Pork pies" are actually filled with dates.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Green tomato chow-chow is a typical condiment. Traditionally, it was served with salt herring and blue potatoes. Mustard pickles are always served with corned beef and cabbage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ~Food Tourist

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Food Tourist RE: Food Tourist Jan 24, 2005 01:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Forgot to mention that donair meat appears on just about everything out here in Nova Scotia fast food places. It's used on pizza and subs and I wouldn't be surprised if it turned up in soups and salads.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~Food Tourist

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        coll RE: Food Tourist Jan 24, 2005 05:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've been following your posts about "donair" meat (waiting to see if someone knew more than me) and I have a feeling that they are probably using the pre-processed "gyro meat" which is made in Chicago by Kronos . Especially as you mentioned Donner kabobs, that's a Turkish version of gyros, but made as shish ke bob. Not a bad product for what it is. It's either sold in 4 oz portions ( beef only I think) or single 1 oz slabs (which are beef and lamb). As I said, if you go into a deli or such and they have gyros, this is what you are getting, it's pretty good, and the food cost is so low it makes up for anything else they loose that day. Here in New York, they sell gyro meat, or other pre-cooked meat toppings like chop meat or sausage, which are made for the pizza trade: Mexican or anyone will use also, and there is nothing wrong with it. There is little chance of food poisoning. I also still know a FEW places that will buy a leg of lamb, marinade it and put it on the vertical rotisserie, but they are few and far between. The health inspector will be watching them like a hawk.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Anyway, Kronos also sells the Tzaiki sauce which is refrigerator stable for at least 6 months, so even if you're not into Greek cuisine, it's an easy thing to add to your menu, just to have around.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          wally RE: coll Jan 24, 2005 06:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Tzatziki as made correctly will not last 6 months. Yogurt, cucumber and garlic.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            coll RE: wally Jan 24, 2005 06:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I know, it's scary!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        thenurse RE: Food Tourist Jul 24, 2007 06:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The first donair I had was in Berlin in 1990. I've since seen them all over Toronto, and elsewhere, but not at pizza joints, etc. I believe(d) it to be of Turkish origin, since that's what I was told in Germany (lots of Turkish immigrants).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kindofabigdeal RE: thenurse Jul 24, 2007 04:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Turkish via Germany, like much of our Indian food is Indian via Britain.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            thenurse RE: kindofabigdeal Jul 24, 2007 08:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm not sure who/what you're referring to as 'our', but I live in Little India in Toronto, and the Indian influence is from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. No brits here (yes in Toronto, but not this neighborhood). I think originally (pre-1980's) there may have been some british Indian influence, but that's long gone since a large influx of SE Asian immigrants.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kindofabigdeal RE: thenurse Jul 25, 2007 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sorry, I meant all the Indian I have had in the U.S. Usually its just "curries" and doesn't represent the culinary diversity of the subcontinent.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        nickpest RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 22, 2005 12:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Coffee milk in Providence.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Egg creams in NYC.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Old Bay Seasoning on everything in Philly/Delaware.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Mild sauce in Chicago. (Like a tangy ketchup/BBQ mix)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I love it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Amin (London Foodie) RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 22, 2005 04:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Excellant thread. I have also done the peanuts in
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          coke and ketchup in eggs, scrambled eggs, omelette
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          etc growing up in the 50's and 60's In school we
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          used to have coke & peanut fights, putting the peanuts
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          in (hmm), covering the bottle opening with your thumb,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          shaking it, and releasing the thumb, with the bottle
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          in the direction of the target -Messy and stupid, no

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bob W. your chow mein sandwiches priced at $ 0.15
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          back in 1974, while I dont know if this would qualify
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          under the regional foods quirk or not, as kids,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          growing up in Pakistan, there used to be these coconut
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          sellers who would come around like clockwork every
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          afternoon on a donkey cart, laden with freshly picked
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          coconuts. You bought the coconut, then he would take
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          a pick-axe and deftly shave off the fibres at one end,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chop the end to open the nut, and with a spoon (made
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          from the chopped skin) you would first guzzle down
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          the coconut water, return the coconut to him which
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          would then be cut into two equal half-cups which you
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          then used the spoon to eat the fleshy part of the nut.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Cost: $0.01

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think some of these guy's are still around today
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          but the cost is probably around $0.40

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            kc girl RE: Amin (London Foodie) Jan 25, 2005 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You are often impressive in your accuracy and detail. Now the invention of peanuts in Coke make a little more sense.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Amin (London Foodie) RE: kc girl Jan 27, 2005 05:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Amin,You are often impressive in your accuracy and
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              detail. Now the invention of peanuts in Coke make a
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              little more sense. UQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hey kc girl, just saw your above response.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              you are one cool girl (guess the ''c'' in kc
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              represents ''cool'' -right ? )

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think coke does rock with peanuts in it -try it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Keely RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 22, 2005 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Everyone I know in Poland put katchup on both their pasta and their pizza. Although i have tried it and it isn't so bad, it isn't a trend I think I will pick up anytime soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Jeters RE: Keely Apr 4, 2007 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              My dad was talking about growing up in queens with ketchup on his spaghetti in place of tomato sauce. *gag*

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              wolf RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 23, 2005 01:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Michigan (and no doubt elsewhere)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Vernor's Float (Vernor's with Icecream scoops)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pickled ring bologna in a jar
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Northern MI (UP specifically) Pasties.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Drew RE: wolf Jan 23, 2005 09:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I love Vernor's. Can anyone tell me if it can be found anywhere in New Jersey?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BW RE: wolf Jan 24, 2005 05:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And Vernors with vanilla ice cream is a "Boston cooler," for some reason. I doubt you'll find 'em in Boston, but they're mighty good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kc girl RE: wolf Jan 25, 2005 09:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, yes! Pastys. My mom ( a CA girl) said she first found them in the South (Georgia) when she was in College. She made them a few times (in CA) just to show us what they were. Really good. And portable, too. Though, I never really had a need for "portable" food in those days.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lulubelle RE: wolf Apr 6, 2007 04:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You can buy the pickled ring bologna at some butchers too. My friend brings it home from Grand Rapids sometimes when he goes to visit his family.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sandi H. RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 23, 2005 08:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Years ago we had dinner at the home of my husband's co-worker and she made spaghetti for us. It was made with tomato sauce and topped with salted peanuts which we were told was a very common accompaniment to spaghetti where they came from. This was around 25 years ago and we think she was from somewhere like Ohio or Chicago. Anyone ever heard of salted peanuts on spaghetti?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Qwertyy RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 24, 2005 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A guy I used to work with, from Kentucky, used to drink half beer, half lemonade, with ice in the summertime. Two great tastes that do NOT taste great together, in my humble opinion!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          SLO RE: Qwertyy Jan 24, 2005 07:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          In the UK beer and lemonade is a "Shandy" not sure of the proportions though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kamaji RE: SLO Jan 27, 2005 01:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And in Germany (Bavaria, Munich to be precise), this combination (well, lemon drink I believe), is called Radler -- very tasty IMO -- course that might be only in germany with fresh helles beer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've tried to re-create it here, and I just don't get the wonderful flavor I remember. Guess I'll just have to visit Germany again.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              starlady RE: Kamaji Apr 4, 2007 05:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Shandy's are popular in England, it's not quite lemonade that's used though and it's only a third of that to 2/3 of beer (ish)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                atheorist RE: Kamaji Apr 4, 2007 05:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You need gourmet lemon soda, not too sweet like regular commercial soda, or imported Italian lemon soda. Do not bother with Sprite, etc. Plain beer like Molson Canadian or Narragansett will suffice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                C70 RE: SLO May 18, 2007 09:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                yes, but in the UK, lemonade is sprite or 7up. We're talking lemon juice here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  hrhboo RE: C70 May 18, 2007 07:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It is neither Sprite nor 7-up. It is a carbonated beverage but it isn't as sweet as either of these. I've never seen it on tap in this country.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kc girl RE: Qwertyy Jan 25, 2005 09:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Eeeew! And, I thought I was brave to try my Keith's concoction of beer and V-8 juice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                parsnippety RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 24, 2005 05:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In san francisco yoou can get indian pizza. pizza with indian food and chees smushed on top of it. I think that might be a regional dish

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  John Manzo RE: parsnippety May 16, 2007 11:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  No, you can get "Punjabi pizza" all over Canada.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Phu-Bai RE: raleighfoodlover Jan 29, 2005 01:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In Baltimore metro area

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanksgiving Tradition Sauerkraut

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I never have but many oldtimers use to drink their
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  draft beer with a raw egg....
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Also have had many a "Bloody Monkey" beer and tomato juice

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gypsy Jan RE: raleighfoodlover Feb 6, 2005 09:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What a wonderful topic!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Midwest -
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    On Thanksgiving, my Ohio relatives always, always, always brought Three P salad (peas, pickles & peanuts in mayo on lettuce) and persimmon pudding.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The South -
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My southern belle grandmother always served white rice w/sugar and butter as a *vegetable*.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Orange County, Southern California -
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    In the day when there were more orange trees than people, there was *Orange Ice*. A small wooden booth by the side of the road next to the home adjacent to the orchard would be manned by a member of the family. They would squeeze some fresh orange juice and pour it into a cup over hand-chopped ice chips.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hawaii -
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The chinese brought char siu bao with them (pork buns) and it became manapua. Every day, the manapua man would go through the neighborhoods, with a bamboo pole on his shoulder, swinging two pots on each end, one containing hot charcoal and the steaming buns above.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Kalua dog. The Hawaiians raised a special breed of dog that was the preferred meat at luaus. With the European invasion, that practice became frowned upon and went underground.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When my hubby was growing up in Hawaii, his best friend's golden retriever disappeared one day. A bit later, they found the collar and dog tags at the bottom of a fresh imu pit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    They did get their revenge, though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Spoony Bard RE: Gypsy Jan Feb 6, 2005 10:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'll take the bait.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      How did they get their revenge?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gypsy Jan RE: Spoony Bard Feb 6, 2005 11:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A lot of houses in Hawaii were/are still built up on stilts. The luau was a party to celebrate the housewarming for this brand new dwelling.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The house was very expensive, floored and furnished with a lot of local and imported hardwoods that were the pride of this family.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My hubby and his buddy went out and found a very large, termite infested log, transported it to the property, and when the house was empty, strapped it up to the underside of the house, out of sight.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Within a year, the house had to be torn down.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      jbd RE: raleighfoodlover Apr 4, 2007 11:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I grew up in California, where my friends and I would dip our McDonald's French fries into our chocolate milkshakes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My mom grew up eating peanut butter and mayonaise on white bread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      When I moved to the South, I'd dip my French fries into feta cheese dressing and put salt in my beer.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        lollya RE: jbd Apr 5, 2007 08:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        oooh good one fries in the milkshake - has to be chocolate!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jbd RE: lollya Apr 6, 2007 08:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's absolutely chocolate! It's been far too long since I've done this. I think I need to remedy that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            italyinmind RE: jbd May 16, 2007 01:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I used to dip my fries in a Wendy's Frosty...such a blast from the past! I didn't grow up in Cali though, so it must not be totally regional.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              mbfergie RE: italyinmind May 21, 2007 08:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I love to do this. Now my daughter does it, after years of thinking it was gross. It's the salt/sweet thing that I love.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                vermontpoet RE: mbfergie Jul 24, 2007 08:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My daughter also does the fries in the Frosty thing. I always thought it was pretty disgusting, until I tried it...wasn't half bad! Not something I'd do often...well ever..since I very very rarely go to Wendy's and never order Frosties myself.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Eat_Nopal RE: vermontpoet Jul 26, 2007 02:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In my East L.A. neighborhood there was a Liquor / Convenience store that did a good amount of after school business. They had a whopping 6 video game machines (unmatched any where in the neighborhood)... and four tables. Most snacks were of Mexican origin plus hamburgers & hot dogs. One of their most "interesting"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  and delicious concoctions was to serve skinny, salty fries with a side of chopped up deep fried chocolate pudding pie.... what a combination!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          PDeveaux RE: jbd Oct 7, 2007 03:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My dad, who grew up in North Carolina and then moved to Florida, used to eat peanut butter and Miracle Whip sandwiches on white Dixie Darling bread. I'll never know how he got that unstuck from the roof of his mouth!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          rochfood RE: raleighfoodlover Apr 4, 2007 05:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          my dad is from the midwest..he is 86..and he always ate bread and milk...that is bread crumbled up in a bowl with milk poured over it like cereal. I have never seen anyone else do it. I grew up in NJ and learned to eat ketchup on eggs from phiily kids in college.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          plus..i love ketchup on hot dogs..that is my own regional specialty. funny to me when people get all concerned about that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            monkeyinthemiddle RE: rochfood Apr 4, 2007 05:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            wow my italian grandmoher use to do this
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            milk on crusty italian bread or oil/oregano with water on crusty bread

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ArikaDawn RE: rochfood Apr 4, 2007 06:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In Southern IN where I grew up most people put only ketchup and mustard on hot dogs. There were no other toppings available at most places with the exception of relish. Never before this board did I realize this was so sinful a practice. Had the locals where I was raised seen people putting things like onions and jalapenos on hot dogs they probably would have thought them bizarre.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's interesting for me to ponder this now, that in a dominantly German area, I lived within miles of towns such as Daubstadt and Haubstadt, sauerkraut was never even considered.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              princess43215 RE: raleighfoodlover Apr 5, 2007 09:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In Youngstown, Ohio some restaurants would serve the "spinning bowl" salad. From what I remember the ingredients were loads of blue cheese or blue cheese dressing on chopped iceberg lettuce with a ton of croutons. It was then "spun" somehow to make every piece coated. Looking back it was a fattening mess but a memory I look upon fondly. Plus there was a secret ingredient I never figured out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Also, you can get Italian wedding soup anywhere in Y-town. Restaurants that weren't even Italian.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It also had Brier Hill pizza, which was a white pizza with sliced peppers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                MMJ RE: raleighfoodlover Apr 5, 2007 12:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Upstate NY- Spiedies. Not found anywhere else that I've found.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The first weekend in August is always "Spiedie Fest" weekend, which my husband fondly refers to as The Festival of Meat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ajs228 RE: MMJ Apr 5, 2007 02:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I've never heard of those, but in Rochester (Up-up-state NY) we had Zweigle's white hot dogs. I've never seen white hot's anywhere else.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    toodie jane RE: ajs228 May 15, 2007 09:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    are they veal sausage like bockworst? very yummy. actually sort of light grey. very juicy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ajs228 RE: toodie jane May 16, 2007 10:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      No, they're pork, but un-cured and un-smoked with no nitrates or coloring. Take a look at this: http://www.thecelebritycafe.com/guide....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      vermontpoet RE: ajs228 Jul 24, 2007 08:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Speaking of Rochester, NY .......Sal's Birdland brings back so many college memories. A Sal's Bird is a half a (scrawny!) deep fried without batter chicken served on top of two slices of supermarket style white bread with a side of bland macaroni salad. The bird was topped with Sal's sauce...an amazing hot sauce that was equally hot and sweet. A macho guy thing was to order a "swimmer" when the chicken and whole darned mess was drowning in the sauce. Another macho thing...was for the guys to challenge each other to drink cups of the sauce and see who could refrain from the cooling slice of bread the longest.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We had a saying that on days when the sauce was extra extra hot (addition of more red pepper flakes) that Sal's wife hadn't "given him any" the night before.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A friend of a friend of a friend who worked there, "liberated" the secret recipe...and I still make that sauce on occasion for chicken, ribs, Kraft mac and cheese...(when totally broke!). Wings cooked with that sauce always get me rave reviews when brought to a party.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The rival to Sal's was Country Sweet.......a chicken wing/rib joint that used a similar sauce...but lighter on the hot...heavier on the sweet. I liked Sal's better, but Country Sweet was closer to my BF's apartment!. OMG I miss Rochester so much some times! Or do I just miss the college kid type food??
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Also.......Bay and Goodman pizza.......mmmmmmmmm they overdid on the toppings ....so much so that each slice was an embarrassment of riches!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I could go on and on about Rochester food...but I'll end with .........

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      COs (a college term of ours for Culinary Orgasm.......forgive us ..we didnt' have refined palates at all) from the honey mustard salad dressing with bacon at Waterworks. I asked for the recipe once, but it was never the same when I made it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ajs228 RE: vermontpoet Jul 26, 2007 02:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm surprised no one has mentioned the infamous Garbage Plate. There are at least a dozen variations around town, but the original is from Nick Tahou's. It's a meat, usually either two cheeseburger patties or two hotdogs, covered in fried potatoes, macaroni salad, onions and spicy meat-sauce.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. DockPotato RE: raleighfoodlover Apr 6, 2007 04:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If I order a bowl of Chili anywhere in Ontario, it probably comes with 2 pieces of hot buttered toast. When I order toast with my Chili in the States it seems to cause a stir.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last week I saw something I haven't seen since the days of "Ladies and Escorts Only" - you know the old Ontario draught rooms, with stacking chairs, round tables and 15 cent draught in bell-shaped glasses? The guy next to me at the bar shook a pinch of salt into his pint. The tables in those old draught rooms always had a salt shaker.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Main Line Tracey RE: raleighfoodlover Apr 6, 2007 09:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The South Jersey area has muskrat festivals. The muskrat is a water-dwelling, ferret like creature. I haven't tasted one, but they say that it tastes like dark meat chicken, only slightly oilier.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Taylor ham and scrapple are also big ones.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        hotteacher1976 RE: Main Line Tracey Jul 31, 2007 09:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Scrapple is a Philly thing

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Woodside Al RE: Main Line Tracey Oct 4, 2007 03:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Muskrat suppers are also found in southeatern Michigan south of Detroit. Especially during lent. Very similar swampy area to southern New Jersey.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You find scrapple all over southeastern Pennsylvania, south Jersey, and northern Maryland. You'll also find it in Mennonite & Amish parts of the midwest where people have come from PA.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          New Haven style pizza aka clam pizza. I had it years ago in San Francisco at North Beach Pizza and was never able to find it again until I visited New Haven years later. It's amazingly good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There is a now a place here in Chicago called Piece that serves it, but it is a pale imitaiton of the real thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Spam Musubi has been mentioned a couple of times already (along with shave ice). But the real crowning glory of "fusion grinds" in Hawaii is the Loco Moco. Take a generous scoop of rice, top with a hamburger patty smother entire heap in brown gravy and top with a fried egg. Oh, forgot to mention this is primarily a breakfast dish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We also have "plate lunch" generally consisting of some type of protien - anything from teri-beef to spagetti - served with two scoops of rice and a scoop of macaroni salad. It is not uncommon to get brown gravy over the whole thing... including the macaroni salad. My friends used to order "chili spagetti" with rice and a side order of garlic bread - and that was years before the Honolulu marathon was born...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Chili here is almost always served over rice. And while we are talking about chili...nothing like a healthy spoonfull of mayo mixed into your Chili to really get it to stick to your ribs. Mayo and shoyu (soy sauce) used to be a pretty common salad dressing - not so much anymore, replaced by the ubiquitous "ranch".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sam Fujisaka RE: KaimukiMan May 16, 2007 05:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Fadda side from Kaneohe. All you say just good normal food, bruddah. Mix mayo and shoyu for steamed artichokes. Mayo and mustard for steamed asparagas.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But what about poi? Real poi eaters eat it sour. Novices and haoles use sugar.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. sarahvagaca RE: raleighfoodlover May 15, 2007 11:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hey, my dad does the peanuts in Coke thing!! In fact, I previously posted about it here on a thread about strange foods that only your family eats. I figured he'd learned it somewhere, but I wasn't sure where. If it's a Southern thing (which I suspected given the two ingredients!), he must have picked it up in the Army.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Another thing I've noticed on a couple of recent trips to Utah is that a significant number of non-chain burger joints (most notably Crown Burger, although I'm not sure if they were the ones to start it or if they just followed along) seem to also include a fair number of Greek dishes (things like Gyros and Souvlaki) on the menu. I can't think of anywhere else I've been where you would go to a burger joint for Greek food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  madgreek RE: Vexorg Jan 26, 2008 09:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The explaination for this is simple. Many greeks own restaurants (and they're not all Greek resto's).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. hannaone RE: raleighfoodlover May 15, 2007 11:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  At a US Army post near Inchon Korea, the pizza served at the NCO club had seasoned condensed tomato soup as the sauce.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The spicy taco was topped with red leaf lettuce, shredded Daikon radish, and diced fresh kimchi. Man that was good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. daguttgrl79 RE: raleighfoodlover May 16, 2007 08:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have been reading this topic and postes and am really enjoying it! My family and I are from all over the globe, with mum from Hong Kong, Dad from Philippines, and we lived in both places, then Switzerland, and then in Florida and now Texas. I have observed a variety of food quirks throughout the years that my family members possess and I do partake on some of them. I have noted the interesting food habits below that I have observed from others and some of them I do myself. Here they are:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    French fries and milkshakes - this one is the first one I think of because I never saw a french frie until I was 10 years old, and then met someone later when I was 17 who actually dipped his french fries in his chocolate milkshake - this blew my mind!!!! I still haven't tried it but I'm intrigued.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Saltine crackers dipped in milky English sweet tea - we grew up doing this as my Chinese side has the British influence and therefore drinks their tea with lots of milk and sugar. My great-gran and I used to spend our mornings dunking salty crackers into the steaming, milky, and sweet tea. I still have fond memories of it, but it's been years that I've done it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Rice and ketchup - okay, sorry to offend anyone but this grossed me out. When we first moved to Houston we met a family and the kids would pour the stuff all over their white rice that had been already loaded with butter!!! I thought I was going to be ill, but my Chinese mother looked as if she'd seen a demon and nearly spit with rage. I haven't done this myself, but I will never forget seeing these kids that grew to be friends of ours eat this way. In fact, this family possesses numerous food quircks just amongst themselves that I should just write a book about! Great people, but crazy food. I shouldn't talk though since I'm sure some of the stuff I eat would scare people also... I digress.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sweet pastries dipped in Siracha sauce - my brother and I compete with each other on who can eat the spiciest food and so far I have take the lead. Through our battles we discovered that Siracha goes really nicely with fortune cookies and other sweet items like egg tarts. Yes, strange but anyone who likes sweet and spicy might like it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Siracha and Ketchup or Salsa - I love making my own sauces and lately I've been mixing Siracha with everything from Ketchup, to Salsa, and even with some Ranch for that extra kick. I'm a rooster sauce nut!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    White bread and milk - my grandfather used to do this at night after my grandmother went to bed and I still haven't seen anyone do it since. He would take regular white bread, like Wonder Bread, and spread some margerine on a few slices, mush them into a large mug, then pour cold milk all over it and eat it like some sort of strange bready-mush. It weirded me out, but I'm just wondering if anyone else has even heard of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Coke and Milk - not a coke float, but just Coke with regular milk poured and mixed with it. Not as sweet as a coke float since there is no ice cream, but a very refreshingly strange drink that I've seen people enjoy and then tried myself. I haven't had one for years but enjoyed it when I did.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There are so many others that I've seen but I better take a break for now....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      thinks too much RE: daguttgrl79 May 16, 2007 09:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A friend of mine referred to the Coke and milk combination as "Dirty Dishwater." It's all right, but not something I would make for myself. I remember seeing this on "Laverne and Shirley" as a ridiculed drink.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      One of the points issues that this topic seems to be blurring, is the line between a personal quirk and a regional quirk. Ketchup on eggs in most areas seems not to be standard, but at the same time, not unusual. Milk over day-old chocolate cake as a breakfast treat I would classify as quirk of the women of my family, and certainly not representative of any region we have lived. And cheddar cheese on apple pie tends to be a northern New England thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Contrast this with spiedies, a food I've heard of nowhere except the Binghamton area. Fish tacos are starting to appear on the east coast over the last 5 or 6 years, but I thought that they were very regional to Southern California earlier and have only recently begun spreading. So many regional quirks may diffuse with time

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        KaimukiMan RE: thinks too much May 16, 2007 12:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        On Laverne and Shirley it was Pepsi and milk, for some unknown reason much more popular than Coke and Milk. Ive also seen Dr. Pepper and milk

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          daguttgrl79 RE: thinks too much May 17, 2007 08:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've notice that since I've been living in the U.S. that I have a hard time determing what any regional foods are since it seems like you can get pretty much everything, at least here in Houston. That has been my experience and I feel pretty lucky to be able to sample foods from all over the place, but I never know if it's coming from a place or a person. I've put ranch on my pizza and I'm not from California and that just came to me one time on my own. French fries have always tasted better to me with other stuff on them, and I've enjoyed it all from vinegar, to more Ranch, to gravy, to mayo, to honey mustard, to siracha, and more. So I guess that makes me wonder since I'm not eating everything based on the region and just based on taste, would that not just make it all personal preference? I know that we eat a lot of kolaches here in Houston and none of my brothers and sisters in other states know what those are. They are not exactly regional though because they originated from Czech or Poland, but either way they are really popular in certain ares of Texas. They even have a kolache festival in Caldwell and I went one year and they played Polka!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            sarahvagaca RE: daguttgrl79 May 17, 2007 01:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, the U.S. is made up of people and cultures from all over the world. Still, one can have experiences like yours, daguttgrl. There was a huge influx of people from Czechoslovakia into Houston, TX so that's why there's an availability of kolaches there. Whereas I have lived in D.C. and now live in L.A., both very international cities, and I only recently heard about kolaches and have never tried one. So, kolaches may not originally be from Texas, but they have become part of the regional food landscape there now!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              CrazyOne RE: sarahvagaca Jul 25, 2007 07:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Too funny. My grandparents (dad's parents) came to this area (Pittsburgh) from what was then Czechoslovakia, and they weren't the only ones. Last I knew this area has the highest concentration of Slovak population outside Slovakia itself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Now I don't know if the kolache is more Czech than Slovak (sometimes different even though there's plenty of overlap), but either way the funny thing is this area had no availability of kolaches until about 5 years ago when a woman moved from Houston and opened up this shop http://www.cafekolache.com/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So kolaches are from Houston, of course. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              geg5150 RE: daguttgrl79 Jul 24, 2007 09:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So funny. My brother lives just outside of Shreveport, LA and my parents live there part of the year. My dad kept going on and on about this new donut shop called LA Donuts, says how great it was -- the regular donuts and the kolaches. He was surprised that I knew what a kolache was. Well, he forgot my boyfriend is 1/2 Polish as is one of my best friends. When we were home for Christmas, we came down one morning after a night of drinking to hear dad yelling that he "went to LA Donuts and everything's warm". The BF and I ran downstairs and grabbed a fabulous donut and then moved on to a great ham and cheese stuffed pastry -- kinda like a croissant, but not exactly. Dad asked how we liked the kolaches. We told him we hadn't tasted them yet. As he walked in and saw us eating the ham & cheese pastries, he says, "You're eating one now!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So, this donut place in Shreveport, LA is serving a ham & cheese croissant and calling it a kolache. Did I mention it's owned by a Filipino family? Go figure.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            dagoose RE: daguttgrl79 May 16, 2007 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hahaha, this made me laugh because so many of these have happened in my house just by chance. My mother makes a stir-fry she swears by using soy sauce and ketchup, and when we ran out one day, it became ketchup and siracha--Sirachup. sometimes when there is only a little Siracha left, we use the rest to create a bottle of sirachup.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The white bread and milk, funnily enough sounds basically like bread pudding...change the milk out for egg and cook it, and that is what you have...as a love of bread pudding, I think it sounds fabulous!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              caliking RE: dagoose May 16, 2007 03:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In India it is common to to dunk bread (sometimes buttered) in tea or milk and eat it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Here's a new one (not mentioned in this thread yet): Until I went to college the only French toast I knew was the kind my mom made - crack egg(s), add salt + pepper + cayenne (maybe green chilies), dip bread in the mix and cook, eat with ketchup (preferably spicy). For some reason I was never exposed to the sweet kind of French toast eaten with syrup.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was enlightened in college when I offered to make French toast for breakfast for my rommmate and myself. He took one bite and nearly choked. Since then I've actually come to like the sweet French toast :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                hrhboo RE: caliking May 16, 2007 04:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I prefer savory french toast too, and always make it that way! I especially love adding herbs or chopped scallion and frying in butter.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sam Fujisaka RE: caliking May 16, 2007 05:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wow, never thought of savory French toast. Makes sense. We should get together since I take it you are in Cali (Colombia).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. archangelcat RE: raleighfoodlover May 16, 2007 04:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              South Dakota oddities: Rocky Mountain Oyster Feeds, usually only rural manly men attend, I've never imbibed, but it is deep fried beef testicles, to put it poliely. They drink tons of beer with it to try to forget what they are eating, I think.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              A funny nomenclature, I've moved to the west coast, but still call a sloppy joe/barbecue a tavern, which is what they're called in SD, anybody else call it that? Taverns used to and some still do serve these free on Fridays to bring in the customers.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Milk Toast - my dad ate this when he was feeling not so good, with lots of butter and salt and pepper, hot milk, not bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hot Dishes - so funny - lots of church cookbooks reference ChowMein as "Ethnic" Chinese dishes that are basically hamburger, celery, rice, soy sauce and ChowMein noodles.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And my all time favorite - RED BEER - 90 percent beer (preferable bud on tap) with a dollop of tomato juice, plus salt.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                veganish RE: archangelcat May 16, 2007 04:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think you notice these things more as a kid, because you're horrified to find out that families do things different from your own.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I was HORRIFIED as a first grader to see people order hot dogs for lunch with ketchup.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                At summer camp, I'd never seen anyone put sugar from a bowl on cereal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Or ketchup on noodles (they were from upstate NYC, I was from Italian-dominated Jersey).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I didn't even see cream sauce on pasta or mac and cheese till I was a teenager, and I still despise the stuff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't 'get' ham with sticky, gooey toppings--never ate it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have seen lots of cream cheese and jelly omplets in NJ diners.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And a nearby deli still serves beef briscut between 2 massive potato pancakes--like it as a kid but can't imagine injesting it now!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Candy RE: archangelcat May 17, 2007 09:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  at Fiesta in San Antonio my white bread sister who was pretty food phobic got intrigued by the "Bull Fries" that were being grilled and ordered some. She gobled them up quickly and went to find her husband to come try this, best steak she had ever eaten. When he informed her of what she had eaten (testicles) "she turned a whiter shade of pale" but ordered more. Maybe those rural manly men are trying to keep them all for themselves.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    RaiderCake RE: archangelcat Oct 14, 2007 07:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Rocky Mountain Oyster Feeds! Hilarious! Because I'm from Texas, and we call them calf fries. And the event in which people come out and eat calf fries (like a festival, nearly, usually involves lots of beer and a concert) is referred to as a Calf Fry. There are about 200,000 people in my hometown and we have 2 different Calf Fries every year, put on by 2 different organizations. And they're surprisingly good, if you dont' think too much about what you're eating! :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      whirlygirly RE: RaiderCake Oct 18, 2007 07:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh my gosh, I haven't had calf fries for years! Now I want some- anyone know where I can get 'em around Kansas City?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. hrhboo RE: raleighfoodlover May 16, 2007 04:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I know a lot of people in the Middle East who only ever eat breakfast cereal with hot milk, including Cornflakes, Rice Crispies etc.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      When i was a kid in the south and youu could still get real buttermilk a great treat would be a tall glass of cold buttermilk with crumbled cornbread from the previous nights supper crumbled in. Eaten with an iced teaspoon of course. It is not lost to me, that cultured stuff is nothing like what real buttermilk was.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        PhoebeB RE: Candy May 17, 2007 04:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Candy, that was my Texas parents/grandparents favorite light supper after a heavy dinner. Some of them liked the cornbread crumbled in sweet milk, others in buttermilk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        (Sunday nights most often since our biggest meal of the week was "Sunday Dinner", i.e. Sunday after-church lunch. In Texas and Oklahoma at least, the big meal of the day was always called dinner and--esp. in farm country --was the noon meal. The evening meal was always called supper, whether heavy or light. The only time the word "lunch" was ever used was at school or for summertime noon sandwiches.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ryocat RE: PhoebeB Jun 8, 2007 01:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          When I was a kid (Austin TX area, not too long ago) "cornbread and milk," preferably fresh, hot cornbread w/ honey on top, was a big treat for breakfast.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Common traits food quirks I've noticed among Texans:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They put Rotel tomatoes in everything.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          When out of the state, they will always complain about the lack of Blue Bell ice cream.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "Coke" refers to any soft drink.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Breakfast tacos (usually in a flour tortilla, eggs + any of the following: chorizo, cheese, potato, bacon, refried beans, breakfast sausage) are ubiquitous.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Picante sauce or salsa on your eggs, none of this catsup nonsense.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've only seen this in Austin: queso w/ black beans, guacamole, and pico de gallo in it, yuuuum! popular post- drinking snack. Where else do ya'll have this?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            PhoebeB RE: ryocat Jun 8, 2007 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You've nailed it. Rotels in everything. Everything but the kitchen sink in queso.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Only thing you forgot is how we complain about the lack of Dr. Pepper, even while traveling in Tibet. (It's generally understood in Texas that when Texans ask for a Coke they mean a Dr. Pepper.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kindofabigdeal RE: PhoebeB Jun 8, 2007 04:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's a good list of quirks. The Blue Bell one has always puzzled me. It's good ice cream, but that good? It's kind of like the Texan 20 something male's bond with shiner bock. However, I would never expect a Dr. Pepper if i said coke. I would expect a coke. I would ask what kinds of coke a place has.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                PhoebeB RE: kindofabigdeal Jun 8, 2007 05:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That WAS a slight exaggeration about "Coke" always meaning DP, though we never drank anything else either in the home I grew up in or in my own home. When we started vacationing in Maine back in the late 60s we had to bring a 6 wks. supply with us from Dallas. Now it's most everywhere up here..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bluebell is good, but I like Breyer's as well or better. The Bluebell flavor everyone is nuts about is the Homemade Vanilla, which is the cooked custard kind I've never liked because it doesn't have the clean cold taste & texture my mother's had.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                She made 2 crank freezers of ice cream every other summer night when we were kids (alternate nights we had watermelon), and she never cooked it. Four eggs whipped frothy with 1 1/2 C. sugar and pinch of salt, add several C. of whole milk and a TBSP of vanilla extract, pour into can and add milk to the 2/3-3/4 full line (depending on whether you're going to add fruit). Crank until you start feeling some resistance, take lid off and add a pt. of heavy cream and maybe bananas or peaches or strawberries or crushed peppermint sticks. Cover again and crank til you can't crank any more even with a child sitting on a pillow atop the freezer, remove paddle and lay on platter (huge squabble about who gets to clean it w/a spoon and lick the platter), plug lid hole with wad of waxed paper, cover with brown paper grocery sacks/ice/blanket. Have supper, eat ice cream, lick spoons sadly when it's all gone, wait for Mama to say, "Well, the freezer's still cold and I might as well mix up another batch".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                We could eat only about half of the second gallon and Mama packed the extra in ice trays covered w/wax paper and put it in the tiny freezer compartment of her pride & joy Frigidaire. There is NO sweeter moment in life than waking up on a muggy already-85-degrees August morning in pre-AC Dallas and remembering that there is PEACH ICE CREAM FOR BREAKFAST!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Breyer's Natural Vanilla/Natural Peach/Natural Strawberry taste more like Mama's than any commercial kind I've tried.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Black beans in queso are fabulous. I make white queso with green chile, black beans, Monterey Jack cheese (and of course Rotels :o). Can't get real Mex. white cheeses here in Maine, but if you add a little flour when you saute the onion/garlic/chile the MJ works just fine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              RaiderCake RE: ryocat Oct 14, 2007 07:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Here here, Ryocat! And breakfast tacos (or breakfast burritos, here in Lubbock) are available any time of day, not just for breakfast.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              PDeveaux RE: PhoebeB Oct 7, 2007 03:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In north Florida, we grew up calling the meal eating at noon on Monday through Saturday "lunch". But on Sunday, we had a big meal right after church (noon) and called it dinner. On Monday through Saturday, our big meal was in the evening and it was called "supper". On Sunday night after church we had sandwiches or leftovers from "dinner" and didn't really call it anything. Weird.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. PAnhandler RE: raleighfoodlover May 17, 2007 10:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm originally from Central Pennsylvania. Here are some "quirks" from PA:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Already mentioned - Ketchup on eggs

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Salt AND PEPPER on cantaloupe (I catch a lot of grief for this in NY)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Honky Eggs (also Hunky Eggs, Honky/Hunky Potatoes) - an omelette with onions, green peppers, and ham with home fries cooked into the omlette.