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reyes Mar 24, 2004 11:46 AM

i work as a server in an upscale seafood restaurant. the chef works very hard in creating beautiful and flavorful dishes, and the line cooks work just as hard to cook them to perfection each and every night. often we'll have certain types of fish on the menu that have wonderful flavor in the skin, such as striped bass or red snapper. for these types of fish, it is purposely prepared with the skin on, sauteed skin side down until crispy and then presented beautifully skin side up on the dish. more often than not, when i serve a dish like this the first thing the guest does is take his or her utensils and cut the skin off and toss it off to the side of the plate. if i can catch them early enough i try to inform them that there is a lot of flavor in the skin and it was left on purpose. they will usually thank me for letting them know and continue eating the fish and skin together. but most of the time it's too late and as i'm clearing the dish, everything is eaten except for the lonely piece of skin lying at the bottom.

my question is, how come people don't know that the skin is just as important as the flesh of the fish? is because people don't know that the skin is edible or are they just afraid of it? personally i think there is nothing better than thoughtfully crisped skin on a fish fillet so it really irks me to see people just toss it aside.

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    Alan408 RE: reyes Mar 24, 2004 11:59 AM

    I agree that properly prepared skin is very tasty.

    Between the skin and the flesh is a layer of fat/blood.

    The blood line in some fish is offensive tasting and may have a stringy texture, and while that fat may contain omega-3s, it also contains PCBs.

    I think people who don't eat the skin have not cleaned a fish.

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      muD RE: Alan408 Mar 24, 2004 12:10 PM

      Or they have cleaned a fish and know that some fish have very fine scales that can't really be removed but that you leave on the skin for the flavor but don't eat it.

      With all of the new, innovative ways food is being prepared it is expecting too much of too many people to know what is the proper way to eat something. With some dishes you literally need instructions on how to eat it. Perhaps it is the responsibility of the restaurant, for certain dishes, to make gentle recommendations when the dish is presented on how to go about consuming it.

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        galleygirl RE: muD Mar 24, 2004 01:50 PM

        I agree with all points, and I love fish skin (mmmm, salmon skin handroll!), but nobody has pointed out that fish skin contains fat and calories, and patrons may not want attention drawn to their dieting behavior if they eschew it....

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          Taralli RE: galleygirl Mar 24, 2004 02:01 PM

          One of the things we all loved about fresh smelts running up the rivers & streams from Lake Superior every Spring was that you ate the whole, cleaned, cripsy little critters - skin, fins, tails, bones & all.

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            muD RE: Taralli Mar 25, 2004 01:52 PM

            They are back in season again. Two smelt dinners and counting.

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              PenskeFan RE: Taralli May 30, 2012 11:27 AM

              I have family in Michigan and I love smelts. Wish I could get them more often down in Virginia.

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          Bill Hunt RE: Alan408 Mar 3, 2012 07:42 PM

          I disagree. I have cleaned many, many fish, both salt water, and fresh. I find that the skin is often not to my tastes, even when de-scaled properly. That is MY call, and I do not eat fish, hoping to get certain chemical compounds. I eat fish for the tastes. If I need additional supplements, then I just go the Healthy Habits, buy a few bottles of pills, and pop those.

          I eat for tastes, and do not care what others might like for me to ingest. It is for me, after all.

          Hunt

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          AlanH™ RE: reyes Mar 24, 2004 01:14 PM

          I think it's the same mentality that drives people to order (or cook) boneless chicken breasts instead of a more flavorful part, or at least a bone-in breast. They seem to have the idea that somehow skin or bones are gross.

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            ghc RE: AlanH™ Mar 24, 2004 04:05 PM

            Skin not often eaten for health (i.e., calories, fat) reasons.

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              Lindsay B. RE: ghc Mar 24, 2004 10:13 PM

              Fish skin is rich in Omega-3 fatty acids, which makes it a great source of healthy fat. It's caloric, to be sure, but it's nowhere near as fattening as chicken skin.

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                Bill Hunt RE: Lindsay B. Mar 3, 2012 07:47 PM

                But, does everyone like the taste?

                If they do not, and are highly deficient in some elements, can they not pop some sort of a pill to supplement that?

                Seems that most people are missing the point - if it does not taste good to them, they they should not be forced to eat it. Is this some sort of a federal edict?

                Hunt

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                  EWSflash RE: Bill Hunt May 29, 2012 08:39 PM

                  Absolutely the truth, Bill Hunt.

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                jamieeats RE: ghc Mar 5, 2012 09:27 AM

                the skin might be healthy fat, but i still don't want it. i don't really like fatty flavor, nor do i want the extra calories!

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                  EWSflash RE: jamieeats May 29, 2012 08:43 PM

                  I really, REALLY like a good salmon skin roll, but the pale, boggy, fatty skin on most grilled salmon wasn't prepared for eating, IMO. Unless the skin is crisped all the way through I'm going to leave it on my plate. And to bite down on a scale is one of the worst appetite killers on earth- like a bit of eggshell in a dish.

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                    sandylc RE: EWSflash May 29, 2012 09:35 PM

                    Oh, scales are awful - and you can choke on them.....

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                Bill Hunt RE: AlanH™ Mar 3, 2012 07:45 PM

                Or, they just do not like the taste, or the texture.

                I never think about "gross," but about what I like to taste.

                That is why I buy boneless, skinless chicken breasts. I like the taste, and do not want to de-bone, or skin the parts, when I eat.

                Is personal taste a bad thing?

                Hunt

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                  DeborahL RE: Bill Hunt Mar 8, 2012 11:41 AM

                  "Or, they just do not like the taste, or the texture."

                  That's it in a nutshell for me. I know there's flavor in there from the cooking perspective, but I'm just not a fish skin fan.

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                    chicgail RE: Bill Hunt May 30, 2012 05:22 AM

                    So interesting. My preference is always dark meat. White meat tastes like nothing to me. I love crispy fish skin, chicken skin, anything skin. Your taste isn't bad (even though I don't understand it). Neither is mine. I just wonder how you and I got that way.

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                  Wendy Lai RE: reyes Mar 24, 2004 01:58 PM

                  I have to admit I might be one of those people. Although ususally in a upscale place I will eat the whole thing because I know the skin tastes good when it's done right. But when I discard skin it's not becasue it's gross or I'm ignorant of why it's there (for presentation, flavor and crunch factor) but because I want to save a few calories. I would love to eat the crispy skin of a fried chicken but I would rather save a few calories and order dessert instead!

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                    FlyFIsh RE: reyes Mar 24, 2004 04:55 PM

                    I know you mean well and are only trying to help your customers derive more enjoyment from their meal, and maybe I'm the one who's out of step here, but I have to say that I'm really uncomfortable with my server volunteering advice on how I should eat the meal that I've ordered. I expect to have my order taken, my food served properly, and my needs generally attended to as unobtrusively as possible, particularly in an "upscale" restaurant. If I ask for advice, of course, that's a different matter - but otherwise I don't want my eating practices inspected and commented upon by the waitstaff. I can't believe I'm the only one who feels this way.

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                      reyes RE: FlyFIsh Mar 24, 2004 09:03 PM

                      there's a very fine line between educating someone and being condescending and i feel i do very good job at being careful not to be the latter. of course i'm not going to tell you how you should be eating your food, but i will try to make your experience more enjoyable by giving you suggestions. for example, we serve an appetizer of fried oysters where each oyster sits on a thin slice of preserved lemon. the oysters are meant to be eaten together with the lemon, but most people see the lemon and think it's there as a garnish (since lemons slices are not typically eaten) and end up eating just the oysters. the preserved lemon changes the whole flavor of the dish (in a good way) so i like to make sure that people don't miss out. i haven't run in to anyone who has felt threatened by my suggestions or who wasn't thankful that i actually care as to whether or not they enjoy their meal to the fullest extent.

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                        Lindsay B. RE: reyes Mar 24, 2004 10:09 PM

                        Reyes, I normally remove fish skin. But having read your post, I'm definitely going to try some next time. Normally, I don't like waiters to comment on my eating habits, but I have a feeling that I wouldn't mind hearing that from you. You seem so sincerely excited about the deliciousness of the dish. Maybe you could avoid ruffling customers' feathers by selling the skin before they order the dish. If you play up the skin in advance "crispy trout...", people will eat it as a matter of course. I think I might only feel defensive if a waiter started pointing things out after I started eating.

                        I'm not afraid of fish skin, per se. I love BBQ salmon skin maki, and unskinned eel. I think I remove the skin more a force of habit than anything else. Fish skin tends to be the oiliest, fishiest part. If the fish isn't absolutely perfect, it can have an off taste. I'm sure your customers expect the best, but maybe they're just accustomed to removing the skin.

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                          David in Olympia RE: reyes Mar 25, 2004 03:32 AM

                          One of my favorite things to do is to try new dishes, so I always welcome a server's help. I am not at all hesitant to ask, though, "How do I eat this?" I mean, if you feel shame for not knowing how to "properly" eat something, what else in your life do you feel shame about? The car you drive? The school you went to? You get my point.

                          I also really dislike it when people who worship fish or chicken skin hint that anyone who doesn't like the skin (for WHATEVER reason - as in, "Why are you so concerned about why I dislike the skin?") is ignorant or inferior.

                          I posted somewhere once (I don't know if it was here or not) about the gross goo that comes out of my pork chops while they are cooking. By the response I got from this one person, you'd have thought that I was inbred many times over. If it's gross to me, and I don't want to eat it, why should he care?

                          Anyway, I am rambling. I just meant to say that I love eating new things, and I appreciate a waiter that loves to help people.

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                          BrendaInIA RE: FlyFIsh Mar 3, 2012 05:02 PM

                          I think timing is key. If you have already begun eating your meal, of course you don't want your waiter to come rushing to your table going "oh, no no, that's not how you do it..." I think Reyes is more tactful than that (just by what I've read). I would expect a waiter to offer advice and explanation upon serving of my meal - and indeed appreciate it so that I don't have to feel awkward asking later.

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                            Bill Hunt RE: FlyFIsh Mar 3, 2012 07:56 PM

                            If my server was to stop by, and insist that I eat that, which I did not want to eat, I would send them packing, and instantly. Next, I would call for the owner/GM/chef, and point out how dissatisfied I was with the service. Last, I would do a review on CH, and maybe elsewhere, to express my feelings. I do not need any server telling me what they think is appropriate, or healthy. I pay my Dr's for that, and am an adult, who is more than capable of making up my own mind. If I need someone to preach to me, I will sit in Union Square with a sign reading "please tell me how I should improve my life." If I do not wear such a sign in a restaurant, then I should not be subjected to anyone's opinions, unless I very specifically ask for them. If I do not, then go elsewhere, as you proselytize. I do not wish to hear it.

                            Hunt

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                              wyogal RE: Bill Hunt May 16, 2012 08:30 AM

                              exactly.

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                                kubasd RE: Bill Hunt May 16, 2012 07:14 PM

                                Bingo

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                                  sandylc RE: Bill Hunt May 29, 2012 07:48 PM

                                  Yup.

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                                    paulj RE: sandylc May 29, 2012 08:29 PM

                                    I don't know what all you were talking about, but I agree ...

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                                  justicenow RE: FlyFIsh May 30, 2012 11:27 AM

                                  No, you certainly are not the only one. You were very gentle in how you worded your comment.

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                                  Limster RE: reyes Mar 24, 2004 10:22 PM

                                  I personaly love crunching down on fried fish skin, but hey, different strokes for different folks.

                                  Slight digression: When I cook fish, I'll always try to get it with skin. With salmon, will slice off the skin, crisp that separately, and use the fish oil left in the pan for cooking veggies.

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                                    Karl S. RE: Limster Mar 25, 2004 05:32 AM

                                    If you ever poach fish, though, remove the skin first, because it clouds and slimes the resulting broth that could otherwise be reduced for a lovely sauce.

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                                      Pat Goldberg RE: Karl S. Mar 27, 2004 05:23 AM

                                      When I poach a whole salmon, I always leave the skin on until it is poached. But then, I almost always serve it cold.

                                      Pat G.

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                                      Bill Hunt RE: Limster Mar 3, 2012 08:07 PM

                                      Exactly. Each diner has an idea (or should) of what they like, and dislike. Now, I continue to taste things, that are not at the top of my list. That is part of my nature - inquisitive. However, there ARE things that I do not like to eat, and I do not care about the molecular components, or anything else - it is 100% about MY enjoyment.

                                      As for your recipe, I discard my salmon skin, but that is just me. I would never, never fault one, who did not do, as I do. That should be THEIR decision, and I should never interfere. Same for my server.

                                      If I need to know how to eat something, and that has happened, even in the US, I will ask. I do not need someone rushing over, telling me how they think a dish should be consumed, or telling me the health benefits of doing something one way vs the other.

                                      I do not care.

                                      Hunt

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                                        EWSflash RE: Limster May 29, 2012 08:51 PM

                                        That begs the the question- how do you crisp fish skin? I've tried that with salmon many times and never got the right degree of crispiness...

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                                          ipsedixit RE: EWSflash May 29, 2012 08:56 PM

                                          Pat the skin dry. As dry as possible. Hot pan also helps.

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                                        Dave Feldman RE: reyes Mar 25, 2004 01:21 AM

                                        I'm a fish skin lover, so in this case I might not need your input. But I tend to like servers' suggestions -- whether they are expressing their own opinion or representing the kitchen staff.

                                        I'd especially enjoy suggestions from a server who actually appreciates the chefs. They're lucky to have you in the front of the house.

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                                          Sandy RE: reyes Mar 25, 2004 05:37 AM

                                          What do all the non-skin eaters do about sardines, fresh or otherwise?

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                                            galleygirl RE: Sandy Mar 25, 2004 02:15 PM

                                            My guess is, if you won't eat fish skin, you sure won't eat sardines!!!! ;)

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                                              Slyser RE: galleygirl Mar 25, 2004 05:54 PM

                                              I don't eat fish skin but I love sardines. So I only buy the skinless boneless type packed in olive oil.

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                                                galleygirl RE: Slyser Mar 25, 2004 07:24 PM

                                                I've heard there were people like you...:)
                                                (just kidding...)

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                                              Bill Hunt RE: Sandy Mar 3, 2012 08:12 PM

                                              Sandy,

                                              It depends entirely on the actual sardines (are you talking Monterey, Sardinella aurita, Portugese sardines, or something else? How are those sardines prepared? Are they smoked, skin/scales on, or prepared otherwise?

                                              To answer, well it depends.

                                              Hunt

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                                              danna RE: reyes Mar 25, 2004 10:38 AM

                                              I'm getting off topic a bit here, but I had some skin-on red snapper on a sashimi platter last week. I discovered where the limit was on my skin-eating. I did not care for the texture... seemed impossible-to-chew. What are other hound's thoughts on raw fish skin?

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                                                ricepad RE: reyes Mar 25, 2004 02:37 PM

                                                I'm the kind of diner who eats just about everything on the plate - skin, as much of the bone I can crunch up, cartilage, garnish, whatever - but my initial reaction to your post was not positive. At first, my thought was, "I don't need a server commenting on my eating habits", with a resultant reduction in my typically generous tip. OTOH, I can see an opportunity for a concerned and attentive server to help diners. When you serve dishes that have that wonderfully crispy skin, you might make a pre-emptive strike AS YOU'RE SERVING THE COURSE: "Oh, I love the crispiness of the skin on this dish...it contrasts wonderfully with the buttery texture of the fish..." or some such.

                                                If you point it out AFTER they've set it aside, it could sound like an admonishment...say it first, and it'll sound like you're letting them in on a secret!

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                                                  Bill Hunt RE: ricepad Mar 3, 2012 08:19 PM

                                                  Now, though I think that we possibly end up with similar feelings, I am the opposite. I do not just eat everything, and pick through the bones, he skins, the various non-muscular tissues, the cartilage, and so forth. I enjoy textures in my food, but not ALL textures.

                                                  It's like foie gras. I love seared foie gras, but like for it to have been run through the chinois a couple of times, to remove the connective tissues. Others love the connective tissues, the veins, and all of the other tissue, but I do not.

                                                  Are they wrong? Am I wrong? I would say, it depends on the diner, and it's a personal decision, and preference.

                                                  Hunt

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                                                  shortorder RE: reyes Mar 26, 2004 12:39 PM

                                                  Interesting topic. I think its fair to summarize that not all fish skins are the same. Even if they are all edible, some fish have tastier skins, as do some preparations. I think if the sensitive server said at the time of serving something like "the skin is edible [or tasty, or whatever] on this dish" it would be informative (because not all fish skins are really good) without being condescending. Or even, "some people like the skin on this fish [or this preparation]"

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                                                    GH1618 RE: reyes Mar 3, 2012 05:39 PM

                                                    I like salmon skin temaki, and sardines. But otherwise do not generally eat the skin. It's just a matter preference, not knowledge. The sardines I buy have the tails on, and I eat them. I don't eat the tail when I cook a whole salmon. Does anyone?

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                                                      Bill Hunt RE: GH1618 Mar 3, 2012 08:24 PM

                                                      Again, much depends on the dish, and on the person. For instance, I will eat the crispy tail of fried shrimp. My wife does not.

                                                      I will peel my salmon, if I did not cook it, and my wife will usually eat at least part of the skin.

                                                      With fried flounder, I will often eat the upper part of the skin, but not the lower part of the same fishes skin.

                                                      It is about personal preferences, and personal tastes. I would never instruct my wife on what she should/should not eat, unless there was a major health issue, and she would never tell me to eat X. I would run any server away, and demand a replacement, should they intercede in our dining pleasure. I do not need to hear it.

                                                      Hunt

                                                    2. Bill Hunt RE: reyes Mar 3, 2012 07:38 PM

                                                      Well, and it depends greatly on the fish, and then on the prep, but there are often some flavors in fish that many (mostly Westerners ), just do not like. In some cases, I am one of those.

                                                      Now, what difference should it make, if a diner does not want to eat a particular fish's skin? That should be their choice.

                                                      I see the same with the skin of other creatures, such as chicken, duck and some pork dishes. It should be what part the diner wants, and there should be zero discussion about it.

                                                      I either skin my salmon, or start it, skin down, to crisp it, and then remove it, but that is just me. I find the skin to be very "fishy" tasting, and that is not my thing. Is that wrong? Even if it is, by someone's feelings, it is how I like it, and how I do it.

                                                      Hunt

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                                                        malabargold RE: Bill Hunt Mar 3, 2012 08:05 PM

                                                        Sure its tasty, but besides the liver, it is one of the major sites that fat soluble toxins accumulate.
                                                        The guests may have longer term considerations in mind than 45 minutes of gustatory delight.
                                                        Maybe even more true now than eight years ago.

                                                      2. Juniper RE: reyes Mar 8, 2012 03:26 AM

                                                        For me, it really depends on the way the fish is prepared and at what establishment. I will only eat the skin if it is crispy OR I'm at a restaurant where I can be reasonably certain that the kitchen staff are meticulous enough to ensure that all of the scales, bones, and membranes, and other stuff have been removed. I am not a fan of things that are gelatinous, gooey or mushy in texture (hence I don't eat bananas or Jell-O, for example). I'm also not a fan of biting into things on which I can choke, that will cut the roof of my mouth or gums, or where I have to constantly pick things out of my mouth. Therefore, if I leave fish skin on my plate it may be a sign that maybe not all was right with the preparation of the dish, otherwise it's a personal preference like it is a preference for some who prefer white meat to dark meat in poultry.

                                                        1. mels RE: reyes Mar 8, 2012 05:22 AM

                                                          I would be a little taken aback if a server was telling me how to eat the fish dish I ordered. I eat skin maybe 50% of the time. It has to be prepared perfectly and very crisp. If not, it is a texture thing to me and I don't like it at all. Even if it was crisp at one point and the heat of the plate/food has sogged it a little, I won't eat it. I also don't like the texture of meat fat (beef, pork, etc.) and like a surgeon, I carve off every visible piece. I would be equally annoyed if you, as the server, told me how delicious the beef fat is and that I should eat it. Let me decide what I will/won't eat on my plate.

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                                                            kengk RE: mels Mar 8, 2012 08:21 AM

                                                            I had a waiter inform me one time that my whole flounder, that I was just about to finish the first side of, had another side and I could flip it over and eat that as well.

                                                            I generally would prefer that others not comment on my eating habits but I would have no problem with a waiter pointing out some out of the ordinary condiment or garnish on the plate.

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                                                            PenskeFan RE: reyes May 16, 2012 08:25 AM

                                                            The skin is my favorite part of the fish, and I generally wont buy fish unless it has the skin on it. It is why I stopped getting fish in most restaurants, as well.

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                                                              Bill Hunt RE: PenskeFan May 16, 2012 06:54 PM

                                                              Some enjoy it, but some do not.

                                                              Just did a culinary event with Chef Michael Mina, and he did a Salt-Crusted Striped Bass." He commented on leaving the skin on, but noted that when one removed the "salt dome," the skin came off with that, and he served the fish, without skin.

                                                              It just depends,

                                                              Hunt

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                                                                PenskeFan RE: Bill Hunt May 30, 2012 11:22 AM

                                                                I hate that I have a hard time finding it in stores and even some fish mongers with skin on. I like having the choice, and if the skin is removed then so is the choice.
                                                                Only place that I can consistently find skin-on fish is Whole Foods.

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                                                                  chicgail RE: PenskeFan May 30, 2012 11:29 AM

                                                                  It's probably easier, faster and less costly to remove the skin than to de-scale it properly.

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                                                              AllanSundry RE: reyes May 29, 2012 07:01 PM

                                                              Skin tastes great when it's thoughtfully prepared. Growing up, mom baked the hell out of fish and it would come out with gooey nasty skin that I hated. As an adult, with a few years of restaurant experience, I love the stuff and agree gentle guidance is in order. It's good fat, good minerals and despite what some of the comments suggest — you can't get the benefit of some vitamins and minerals by popping a pill. Vitamins need fat to be properly absorbed and they need to be consumed before they rapidly break down — an issue compounded by manufacturing and merchandising.

                                                              Eat real food or don't, but don't make the mistake of thinking a pill will make up the difference.

                                                              1. Bacardi1 RE: reyes May 30, 2012 03:03 PM

                                                                Whether one is cooking in or dining out - & regardless of whether or not the restaurant is UPSCALE - food & dining ultimately & ALWAYS boils down to just one thing: PERSONAL TASTE.

                                                                And any chef worth his/her salt will always understand that without getting their panties in a twist.

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                                                                  PenskeFan RE: Bacardi1 May 30, 2012 05:33 PM

                                                                  Very true, even if a chef considers themselves "an artiste" (sic) the bottom line is the customer is paying for his "art"

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