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Soprano's finale: I need a recipe for deep, rich sauce (gravy)

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NewItalian Dec 5, 2002 01:12 AM

I need the ultimate recipe for a meat sauce for pasta.

I'm more than happy to buy beef, pork, and veal. I'm more than happy to buy fungi or fragrant herbs.

I'm equally happy to nurse the pot for 5-7 hours. I simply need instruction on how to do this. I had a somewhat simple, magical recipe that was lost. One that incorporated chunks of tougher meat and bones, which after time fell like snowflakes from the sky. I'd like guests to have orgasms from eating it.

Would love your help and advice...

  1. c
    Celeste Dec 6, 2002 01:32 PM

    That John Fodera one sounds very good. Similarly, Lidia Bastianovich (sp?) Sunday Gravy recipe in her book Italian-American Cooking is also very very good. It has beef rolls, meatballs, and sausage in it and I recommend it.

    Though now I think I have to try this Fodera recipe to compare.

    1. t
      T. Thomas Dec 6, 2002 11:45 AM

      The best recipe I've ever tried is John Fodera's, posted at: http://www.westcoastwine.net/forum/re.... The remainder of this post is a copy of his original post. Good luck.


      First thing to note: This is not sauce. This is not marinara. This is gravy and it must be referred to as such. Capisce? Yes it's red, yes it's for pasta, but all the meat is what makes it gravy. So.....this is not my recipe for marinara sauce, or sauce with other accoutrements, but this is a recipe for what???? GRAVY....that's right! Here goes.

      First, you need a BAP (Big Ass Pot) The BAP must be at least 10 to 12 quarts or you are in for trouble. I do not recommend making gravy in pots smaller than 10 quarts - you've been warned.

      Assemble the meat: For this rendition I used the following -

      1 lb. chopped beef which yielded about 10 meatballs. If you don't know how to make meatballs, either get someone to do it for you, stop reading now, or crush up the meat into bits and brown it that way.

      4 links of sweet sausage. A good store bought version could work. Jimmy Deans don't count. If you have an Italian market, get it there. Can also use hot sausage if you like, but be warned, your entire batch of gravy will taste hot if you do - not simply the sausage.

      1 package beef short ribs - Probably about 8 ribs in total

      1 package pork ribs - Probably about 8 ribs total

      3 Osso Bucco Veal Shanks

      Modifications: You are free to add brachiole as well, but see meatballs above. Do not use Lamb, do not use chicken and don't include anything dumb like feet or ham or tripe. Capisce? Do not use carrots, never add sugar, never use red wine, and Good God!! no friggin potatoes!!!

      Brown the meat : Get some olive oil going in the BAP and brown all the meat until nicely brown, except for the meatballs . Brown the meatballs separately in a fry pan. When done, set all meat aside.

      Now get some garlic and onions going in the pot. I used 12 cloves of garlic (method to calc. later on) and 2 medium onions. If your definition of these items includes the word powder , read no further. Spank yourself with the wooden spoon you should be using and go buy Ragu.

      After these items are sweating and or browning a bit nicely, deglaze the pot with a tiny bit of white wine. Probably just a few tablespoons is all that it will take. No 1/2 cup pours allowed here! Now crank the heat!! and boil off all of that white wine flavor.

      Return meat to the BAP! - make sure all juices in dish go with the meat. DO NOT put the meatballs in yet.

      Now begin the tomatoes - using fresh tomatoes is a waste of time and too much work. Get this martyr crap out of your head! Excellent canned tomatoes are available and should be used. But don't go buying Hunt's here either. You need good tomatoes. San Marzano are far and away the best tomatoes you can get. This is not a brand name, but a specific tomato grown in San Marzano, Italy. They are never sour and are always delicious. If you look carefully at the can, it will say somewhere on there "San Marzano". The brand I always use is Cento . Progresso is good as well although not SM's. And the organic Muir Glenn are nice too, but also not SM's and a bit more expensive.

      For this you will need 8 35oz. cans of tomatoes - whole, peeled tomatoes, including basil leaf! NO FREAKIN PUREE Capisce? Put the tomatoes into a blender a can at a time and zap them into a liquid. I use the "chop" setting. You don't want to liquefy them, just mash them into a runny mess! As you mash them up, into the BAP they go. Calc: I figure a clove and a 1/2 of garlic per can of tomatoes.

      When done adding the tomatoes, add S&P to taste along with fresh basil leaves (I used about 20) and some dried Oregano. Cover, set on low to medium heat, and begin simmering.

      After 2 or 3 hours of simmering, remove the cover from the BAP and get rid of it. Wash it, let your kid use it for a cymbal, just lose it. Cook the gravy for another 4 to 5 hours until it thickens up. Sunday I added two cans of Stop and Shop tomato paste to speed the thickening process along. It's thick enough when a wooden spoon does not fall when inserted in the center of the BAP. NO SPOONS OTHER THAN WOOD ALLOWED!!! Capisce?

      Now, I cooked my gravy Sunday from 9:30 AM (began prep. at 8:00AM) and cooked it until 5:00 PM. All the meat fell off the bones (a good thing) and the gravy had thickened up and reduced by about 3 or 4" in the pot. Clear so far?

      Then just make whatever pasta you like and spoon the glorious concotion over the top. Remove all meat (that can be removed) from the BAP and serve on the side. Meat that stays in the gravy is a good thing. But do remove and discard the bones.

      JFO

      1. p
        Phil Dec 5, 2002 07:23 PM

        If you want to put in the time and effort, I recall an earlier thread which impressed me greatly, but with which I haven't had time to experiment yet. See below:

        Link: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

        1. s
          Sandra V Dec 5, 2002 12:00 PM

          The NYT had a story about 8 months ago about the author of 'The Firefighter's Cookbook' that contained his recipe for Sunday Gravy with meatballs, spare ribs, and sausage (hot and sweet). We've made it twice and it's pretty darn good.

          It's still available online. Link below.

          Link: http://query.nytimes.com/search/artic...

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          1. re: Sandra V
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            SLAP Dec 5, 2002 01:38 PM

            I'd make a few adjustments and you'll be on your way to folks raving. add a stalk of celery and stick carrot to the onion and garlic(all minced of course). Let it cook till golden then add your meats. (sausage,ground beef,pork) brown these up good then add 1 or 2 cups of red wine. let this simmer down then add your tomatoe paste, purees, sauce etc. and add some chicken or beef broth.or bouillon if you must. Salt and Pepper ,add some parsley ,oregano. but don;t add the basil till after you the see the oil on top turn a redish brown color (at least an hour or two into simmering) basically now you have to just simmer it down the longer it cooks the thicker and richer it gets.

          2. m
            micki Dec 5, 2002 09:03 AM

            Rao's cookbook has a terrific and very traditional (would do Carmela proud!)gravy recipe. I've made it twice and both times it was a big 'hit' with the 'family'.

            1. k
              Karl S. Dec 5, 2002 08:01 AM

              If you search old threads, I am sure you can find many good ideas. Here was my last offering, for what it is worth:

              Link: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

              1. j
                joe Dec 5, 2002 06:33 AM

                What you don't got dis book? you betta let Carmela Soprano take care of tis.. she don't wanna hear no excuses...

                meat sauce for you meatheads. this book has got it all, not just soprano wisecracks and (great) cooking advice. The wonderful italian-american recipes are all by Michele Scicolone.

                I tracked down several authentic ragu recipes for you, all by scicolone.

                http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A32113-2001Jan22

                Link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=lovesecrets-20&path=tg/detail/-/0446530573

                Image: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/044...

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