290894 Tue Nov 19 00:20:32 -0800 2002 1 27 General Chowhounding Topics 0 1580745 There was a nice small article about Niman Ranch, and a recipe for short ribs from Lucques in L.A. in the L.A. Times yesterday. Here is a link, you gotta register to read it, but it is free. Still and all, it seems kinda hypocritical to me to sweet talk your cows as you lead them in to the slaughter house. Link: http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/magazine/la-tm-entertaining46nov17.story Tue Nov 19 00:20:32 -0800 2002 0 Chino Wayne 1 1580780 Wadda you mean "hypocritical" for sweet talking the cow's before slaughter CW? After all, how did we both become married men when you get right down to it? :-D Tue Nov 19 10:41:10 -0800 2002 1580745 0 WLA