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Baking French Bread questions

Wendy Lai Aug 20, 2002 11:10 AM

I baked a loaf of French bread last night. I used 1 C of warm water, 3 C of ap flour, pinch of salt, pinch of sugar, 2 1/4 t of yeast.

The resulting bread was tougher than I wanted. The crust was fairly hard and crusty which is good, but the inside was not as fluffy and soft as I would like.

Can anyone tell me what makes a bread chewy or soft or hard or elastic? Is it the flour and the kneading time? I kneaded the dough for about 8 minutes and it was smooth and elastic.

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    GG Mora RE: Wendy Lai Aug 20, 2002 11:35 AM

    Wow -- tough questions. There are SO many variables when it comes to making bread: protein content of the flour, mineral content of the water, temperature of the ingredients, ambient air temperature, humidity of the oven, aging of the dough, and so on ad infinitum. If you're really looking to make a loaf that meets your expectations, you should do a little research and a lot of test baking. There's an excellent book called "Bread Alone" by a fella named Daniel Leader. He's been baking bread up in New York State for years and has done copious hands-on research on the subject. Reading the opening chapter(s) will give you an idea what you're up against.

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      David RE: GG Mora Aug 22, 2002 02:14 PM

      Great suggestions for the two books mentioned! May I throw in Joe Ortiz "The Village Baker" ? A pletora of information and research as well.

      As it has already been said, good bread baking isn't something one achieves over night.

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      Jim H. RE: Wendy Lai Aug 20, 2002 12:32 PM

      First off, all purpose flour won't do it...not enough gluten. As suggested, it is very complex and you should get a good book on bread baking.

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        Wendy Lai RE: Jim H. Aug 20, 2002 01:29 PM

        That is what the recipe called for. In fact I've seen many French bread recipe that calls for AP flour instead of bread flour.

        And isn't gluten what give it chewiness and structure? I'm not lacking in those properties in the resulting loaf. What I'm looking for is more soft and fluffy insides.

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          Jim H. RE: Wendy Lai Aug 21, 2002 01:12 PM

          Make the dough as sticky as you can tolerate...the drier the dough, the denser the bread, from my experience.

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        Susan Marmé RE: Wendy Lai Aug 21, 2002 04:25 PM

        I've been baking bread since I was a teenager and have found that the very best recipes for same are those in Peter Reinhard's book "Crust and Crumb" - well worth acquiring if you are serious about baking. Procedures are explained in detail, in step-by-step recipes, with a lot of background info. Try the French bread recipes - the one made with pate fermentee (leftover dough from a previous batch or made in preparation for a first batch) has been my "house bread" ever since getting the book in 1999. Follow the instructions carefully, esp. re water temperatures, waiting times, etc. I always use AP flour - Heckers, usually, with excellent result. Happy baking!

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          Nancy Berry RE: Wendy Lai Aug 23, 2002 11:38 AM

          Here's a link to a very good bibliography of bread baking books. It's from the Bakers' Guild of America. They have a nice website. This list is on it.

          Link: http://www.bbga.org/books.html

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