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patty Jul 18, 2002 08:43 PM

I'm about to go out and treat myself to a KitchenAid stand mixer. I was all set to buy the real super-duper one--525 watts, 6qt bowl. I happened to mention this to a chef friend who asked if I make large quantities of batter (more than one cake,let's say). I said no. She said she found that the 6 qt bowl doesn't handle small quantities well and she preferred her 4 qt bowl for making one cake at a time. Now I don't know what to buy. HELP from KitchenAid owners, please.

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    saucyknave RE: patty Jul 18, 2002 09:07 PM

    Hobart no longer is the mfgr of KA mixer. Hobart now puts out a very $$$ one under their own name, but sold off KA to Whirlpool or some similar outfit. Hobart has a web site if you want to check that out.

    If I were buying a mixer today, I would research out the other high end mixers before making up my mind - the quality of the current KA may not match the old ones which made the KA reputation. I've heard that the new ones have plastic parts. Perhaps someone else has more definitive info.

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      emu48 RE: saucyknave Jul 4, 2014 10:22 AM

      I gave away (dumb move) a 1980s Hobart-made Kitchen Aid mixer in anticipation of an international move. Returning to the States and wanting another mixer, I settled on a 30-year-old UK-made Kenwood. Cost me a hundred bucks. Love it. I'm deeply suspicious of the quality of a lot of current models from most makers. Bought a 1980s Japan-made Cuisinart processor ($70) the same way ... eBay can be your friend, if you are careful. You could get these for less, but I went for ones that looked like new. Why do I mention what country they were made in? Because that has a lot to do with quality and durability. A lot of these rather expensive appliances had a very long run and over the years were made in more than one place. A little web research will tell you which ones to buy and which to avoid.

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      chuck s RE: patty Jul 18, 2002 10:28 PM

      I've had my smaller KitchenAid mixer for about 12 years, not sure if it was still Hobart back then, but I find it more than adequate and if I'm making more than one cake I have an extra bowl, so I can keep churnning them out.

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        patty RE: chuck s Jul 19, 2002 08:04 AM

        Chuck, what quart size is your bowl?

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        Phil RE: patty Jul 19, 2002 01:06 AM

        I don't see Kithenaid here in Oz. How do they compare with my trusty old Kenwood Chef I've had for some 20 years?

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          Kate RE: Phil Jul 5, 2007 09:06 AM

          Hi, Phil

          Kitchenaid is relatively new on the market here in SA. My mum has a kenwood chef she inherited from my grandfather (who died in '92- god knows how long he had it before then!) which is, well, a real machine. Kitchenaids are a lot prettier (you get them in a range of different colours, etc) BUT having watched a kenwood and a kitchenaid each knead some bread dough with the dough hook, it's no competitions: the kenwood was quieter and stronger. The kitchen aid was making a high pitched whining noise, and the whole thing was moving from the effort of kneading the dough. I will prob buy a mixer in a year or so, and it looks like I'm going to be a third generation kenwood user.

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          GG Mora RE: patty Jul 19, 2002 10:06 AM

          If you try making small quantities in a big bowl, the attachments don't really get down into the mix -- for example, the whisk will just sort of tickle the top of two eggs. If you really must have the big ass model, keep a hand mixer around the kitchen for smaller jobs.

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            Hungry Celeste RE: GG Mora Jul 3, 2007 07:02 AM

            I have the big, honking one and it gets down to the bottom of the bowl just fine. If the whisk is just "tickling" your eggs, you can adjust it downward by using the adjustment screw on the bowl carriage.

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              JK Grence the Cosmic Jester RE: Hungry Celeste Jul 4, 2007 12:17 AM

              If my memory serves me correctly, to get the beater to the proper height, put a dime in the bottom of the bowl, put in the flat beater, and turn it on to Stir speed. It should graze the dime and push it about 3/4 inch around the bowl on each pass. If it doesn't touch the dime, adjust up; if it has a hard time pushing the dime around, adjust down. You shouldn't have to adjust too far, only about 1/4 turn.

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                xnyorkr RE: JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Jul 9, 2007 12:31 PM

                I agree that my KA 5q bowl/525w mixer does **very** poorly with small quantities. I've adjusted the screw and did the dime thing. It's really disappointing.

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                  EWSflash RE: xnyorkr Sep 21, 2010 09:09 PM

                  That's probably why Kitchenaid got into the hand mixer business.

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            Richie RE: patty Jul 19, 2002 10:59 AM

            I have had my old 4 1/2 qt model for 12 years now and it's still going strong. I paid $160.00 for it at Caldor when they were still around. There sre times when I can use a big model but that doesn't happen too often.

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              patty RE: Richie Jul 19, 2002 11:02 AM

              Thanks for all the good advice. I think I'll stick to the 4 1/2 qt size. It's not like I'm making cookies for the fleet!

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              Danna RE: patty Jul 19, 2002 11:34 AM

              My Mom has the larger sized KA. She wishes she had the one my size, because hers is louder to run and the mechanism which raises the bowl up to the beaters annoys her. (smaller one tips the top up instead).

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                ZenSojourner RE: Danna Aug 28, 2010 05:48 PM

                Yeah, that annoys me too. I'm not sure why they did it that way except maybe the heavier motor makes the thing top heavy and likely to tip over if you allow that.

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                Ray RE: patty Jul 19, 2002 12:50 PM

                We have had the larger (5Qt) model for ~20 years. Still very happy with it. If we were to get a new one now I would buy the 6Qt and would not get the smaller tip up model.

                One thing you should consider is purchasing a copper insert for your mixer. Helps with smaller batches and is great for whipping.

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                  Janet A. Zimmerman RE: patty Jul 19, 2002 01:09 PM

                  A bit of background (bear with me; it's confusing):

                  Kitchenaid has discontinued its 4.5 quart model and replaced it with a 5-quart that works like the old 4.5 quart (i.e., tilt-up head). The old 5-quart (with the bowl that lifts up) was discontinued and replaced with the new 6 quart a while back. So now the options are the "Professional," which is the 525 watt monster, the "Epicurean" 6 qt., which is the one that comes in all the cool colors but is less powerful than the Professional (both have the lift-up bowl), or the "Artisan" 5 qt. with a tilt-up head (also comes in cool colors).

                  From my experience, I'd say if you think you want the power and capacity of the larger Kitchenaid, you may be better off buying a large Kenwood or even a Magic Mill. But for your basic home use, the 5 qt. Kitchenaid is the way to go. I have the old 4.5 qt., and it does everything I need it to. But then I don't bake a lot.

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                    Schatz MacArthur RE: patty Jul 24, 2002 05:29 PM

                    Though I'm a kitchen-aid stand mixer owner of only a couple of months, I swear by my new 6qt professional. I've experienced no problems with smaller quantities and I've mixed 2 separate recipes involving very small quantities (dough for 12 tartlets and a single batch of cookies). I find the lever which raises and lowers the bowl to be quite handy, too.

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                      friandlady RE: Schatz MacArthur Jun 21, 2007 06:35 PM

                      I have two very old Kenwood mixmasters, and they have served me well over 25 years. Having been a caterer from home for over a decade and a mother of four, all my machines have beat their heart out for me. My hand-held mixer is a Braun and after mixing over 40,000 friands in its lifetime has just given up the ghost. I am looking to pass on my machines to my daughters and am thinking of purchasing a Kitchenaid. As I love to bake bread, I am leaning toward the larger unit. Does anyone know how to go about looking for an original made by Hobart? Or will the newer models still suffice? I have also been reading your comments regarding the food-processors and am wondering if these are cheaper purchased on-line. Having never purchased anything over the internet, this all seems a very new experience for me, but if I could save money then it would be worth a go. I am sure there are people out there who had all the intentions in the world to cook and now have machines sitting tucked away, unused and unloved. i always prefer the older, better constructed kitchen appliances, as I find all new anything has plastic parts which can't stand up to prolonged use.

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                        ccbweb RE: friandlady Jun 21, 2007 08:12 PM

                        A brand new kichenaid is almost entirely metal...in fact, except for the housing of the optional add-on food grinder, everything is metal and that thing is a workhorse. I use it all the time for all manner of jobs. In my opinion, you can't go wrong with a kitchenaid stand mixer and I, personally, wouldn't get another kind. Not that I think I'll have to, mine is 4 years old and chugging along just fine.

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                          Linda513 RE: ccbweb Jun 22, 2007 05:28 AM

                          I've had my 4 1/2 quart for 19 years and I've never had a problem with it, or felt that I needed a bigger size. They didn't have the cool colors back then, so mine is just basic white. I use it all the time, its got a place of honor on my counter.

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                          JK Grence the Cosmic Jester RE: friandlady Jul 1, 2007 06:51 AM

                          For an original Hobart, scan eBay, craigslist, and yard sales. Even though the brand new ones are all metal construction inside, hearing stories about how the old Hobarts run for literally decades and still purr like a kitten are what led me down that route. Then I got lucky and found a K5SS (sister to the Holy Grail of Kitchenaid mixers, the K5A) with all the attachments plus the pasta extruder/meat grinder for $20. All I've had to replace was the main beater, which was starting to lose some of its coating.

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                            Atomica RE: JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Jul 5, 2007 06:40 AM

                            I got my K5A on eBay a few years ago. I would highly recommend a vintage Kitchenaid with the Hobart motor over a new machine. Mine certainly doesn't come in a cool cobalt blue, but I absolutely love its industrial color and look as well.

                            JK, how very cool to have found one with the attachments!! I just recently received the food grinder attachment for my birthday. I was somewhat lucky with my K5A since it came with 3 bowls, 2 of which are copper. Ooooo.

                            ETA: There are several on eBay right now. Look for K5-A (with the hyphen). Found nothing but weirdness with "K5A." Or search under "kitchenaid hobart" and several older models will pop up, including K5SS.

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                              JK Grence the Cosmic Jester RE: Atomica Jul 6, 2007 04:42 AM

                              Oh, something I should definitely mention as a follow-up... No matter which model you decide to purchase, get at least one extra bowl. You'll be very glad that you did. Kitchenaid makes replacement parts for all previous models; it may take some hunting to find them (start with the best-stocked locally owned kitchen store in your neck of the woods) but is well worth it if you're missing a flat beater or dough hook.

                              Copper bowls? A very nice touch indeed!

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                              dz5003 RE: JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Jul 4, 2014 09:57 AM

                              So, if I could get either one and both were in similar shape, would you recommend the K5SS or the K5-A or another model?

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                          chrisinroch RE: patty Jun 22, 2007 06:05 AM

                          one tip...there are two ways that they are made. We have the kind that has a lever that raises and lowers the bowl to get it off of the paddles.. Too often I still have to take the paddle off to get the bowl out. Next time, I would get the kind where the whole mixer tilts back out of the way.

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                            chowser RE: chrisinroch Jun 22, 2007 06:26 AM

                            That's good to know. I was thinking the drop bowl would be easier.

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                              mightycheesehead RE: chowser Jul 1, 2007 06:14 AM

                              I own the version where the mixer tilts back and out of the way. The problem in my kitchen (which is very small) is that the height of the upper cabinets does not allow for the top to flip all the way back. So, I still have to take off the paddle before flipping the top back, and then take a bowl out. A bit of a pain. I would go for the drop bowl if you plan on using it on a countertop has cabinetry above.
                              If you are working on an island, then this is a non-issue.

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                                Davwud RE: mightycheesehead Jul 1, 2007 07:10 AM

                                Your point is a good one. I probably would never have thought of it.

                                FWIW, Atlon Brown recommends the flip up one so that you don't have to remove the paddle "Every time" you want to take the bowl off.
                                I have the flip up one and it's great. I've had it for 6 years now. I've even made a very stiff pierogi dough in it and it was no problem at all. It was the first time I used it for that with my parents and they marvelled at it.
                                No more sore shoulders and forearms.


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                                  chowser RE: Davwud Jul 1, 2007 07:56 AM

                                  Thanks mightycheesehead (never in my wildest dreams would I think I'd be writing to someone named that, well possibly on a Brett Favre site...) and DT--I had been leaning towards the one where the bowl drops down but I'll look for the tilt now.

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                                  Divamac RE: mightycheesehead Jul 1, 2007 09:59 AM

                                  I have the 5Q Artisan (flip-top) and it fits nicely under my upper cabinets (for storage). But I pull the mixer out closer to the edge of the counter when I am using it. I think most standard cabinetry wouldn't allow the mixer to flip up while actually under the upper cabinet.

                                  However I have read on CH that the 6Q bowl-raising models don't fit under upper cabinets in many kitchens. It's got to be 3 or 4 inches taller than the flip models.

                                  My 5Q is the perfect size for me; I have the ice cream, pasta roller/cuter, and food/meat grinder attachments, all of which are great. I would recommend getting a second bowl.

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                                    foodstorm RE: mightycheesehead Jul 6, 2007 09:18 AM

                                    Had the same experience when I had my Artisan, very frustrating. Besides, I would always take the paddle off anyway, otherwise whatever's on it would drip drip drip onto the base of the mixer after I'd taken the bowl away. And Hungry Celeste is right, if the whisk/paddle isn't reaching all the way down to the bottom (in the larger models) on smaller amounts, you can adjust it.

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                                  Hungry Celeste RE: chrisinroch Jul 3, 2007 07:03 AM

                                  You're supposed to take the attachments off before removing the bowl...read the instruction manual.

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                                    chrisinroch RE: Hungry Celeste Jul 9, 2007 04:15 AM

                                    Does taking off the attachments help me in some way that I'm missing, or are you missing the whole point of my post; namely that it is much less convenient than the tilt version?

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                                      Atomica RE: chrisinroch Jul 9, 2007 05:52 AM

                                      I don't find the raising/lowering lever version to be inconvenient in the slightest.

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                                        MMRuth RE: Atomica Jul 9, 2007 05:54 AM

                                        Me neither - and as someone else pointed out, in a small kitchen, it's useful as you don't need the extra "clearing room" required for the tilt back version.

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                                        flourgirl RE: chrisinroch Jul 9, 2007 06:29 AM

                                        I think the point is that the attachments are going to have to be removed at some point anyway. So I don't see what is inconvenient about having to remove them prior to removing the bowl as opposed to after.

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                                          Atomica RE: flourgirl Jul 9, 2007 09:26 AM

                                          Often, one needs to scrape the bowl down during the middle of mixing. For some people who feel this must be done a certain way, removing the attachment for this function may be a pain. I personally have no problem scraping down the bowl with the attachment still in place, but maybe others do.

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                                            MMRuth RE: Atomica Jul 9, 2007 12:18 PM

                                            I've had no problems scraping down the bowl after moving the bowl down - no need to remove the attachment to do so.

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                                              flourgirl RE: Atomica Jul 9, 2007 12:56 PM

                                              I bake all the time and am quite familiar with the need to scrape down a bowl. And I have no problem scraping the bowl with the attachment in place. If you are saying that some people remove the bowl completely from the mixer to scrape down, well, all I can say is, different strokes for different folks.

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                                                Atomica RE: flourgirl Jul 9, 2007 05:18 PM

                                                What I was attempting to address was this: "Does taking off the attachments help me in some way that I'm missing, or are you missing the whole point of my post; namely that it is much less convenient than the tilt version?"

                                                My post was an attempt to figure out just what the heck chrisinroch thinks is "much less inconvenient" in the lever version of the mixer. I was surmising. Perhaps I should have been clearer.

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                                                  chrisinroch RE: Atomica Jul 9, 2007 08:23 PM

                                                  take a look at the thread. you responded to me not vice versa

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                                                    Atomica RE: chrisinroch Jul 9, 2007 08:54 PM

                                                    I never said anything about anyone responding to anyone, and what does that have to do with anything?

                                                    I am still curious about the assertion that the lever model is "much less convenient" than the tilt model. Why do you believe that?

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                                                      ZenSojourner RE: Atomica Aug 28, 2010 05:53 PM

                                                      It's much less convenient to scrape the bowl - I can't get IN there to scrape the bowl even when it's dropped - to add ingredients, and to check consistency of whatever you're mixing.

                                    2. flourgirl RE: patty Jun 22, 2007 02:22 PM

                                      I have the 6 qt Kitchen Aid model and I'm glad I went that route. I do have a Kitchen Aid hand mixer for very small quantities, but I make one cake at a time all the time with my stand mixer and I have no problem with it. BTW, if someone is having trouble with the beater reaching to the bottom of the bowl, this can be adjusted. The main reason I'm glad I bought the big boy was that it gives me a lot of flexibility. Can do 2 cakes at a time if I want, for example. Also, I sometimes use it to mix bread dough, and it can power through the stiffest dough with ease.

                                      As far as the Kitchen Aids having plastic parts, I believe that they have rectified this situation (after a lot of complaints) and the 6 quarts now have metal parts again. I'm not sure about the smaller models. I would call Kitchen Aid and ask about this if this is something that concerns you.

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                                        Davwud RE: flourgirl Jul 1, 2007 07:12 AM

                                        I have the 5 quart model and the only plastic piece I've seen on the base model (Not accessories) is the splash guard.


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                                          flourgirl RE: Davwud Jul 1, 2007 05:03 PM

                                          Do a google search on this issue. In some models of Kitchen Aid mixers (the Pro 600 as well as other models,) Kitchen Aid replaced certain internal metal parts with plastic - specifically the gear box cover, which is subject to overheating and cracking. Apparently, "this is not just a case, either. It also holds the upper sleeve bearing, so if it deforms, the alignment of the internal gears goes away and could really mess things up."

                                          After consumer complaints regarding this issue Kitchen Aid went back to metal parts, but I'm not sure exactly when. I think the important thing about this is that if you have an older Kitchen Aid mixer (i.e. not manufactured in the last year or so) there is a good chance that some of the internal parts may be plastic. If the machine fails I would try to determine if it was a plastic part that failed and if so, I would make a VERY big issue out of this with Kitchen Aid, since they have acknowledged that these plastic parts were a problem by replacing them with metal ones again.

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                                            Davwud RE: flourgirl Jul 1, 2007 06:41 PM

                                            Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
                                            Should I ever run into problems.


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                                              flourgirl RE: Davwud Jul 2, 2007 05:14 AM

                                              You're welcome. And I have to say that I have a 6 yr old Pro 600 that I use pretty frequently and haven't had any problems (knock on wood).

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                                        janeer RE: patty Jun 22, 2007 05:56 PM

                                        I've had a Kitchen Aid (then made by Hobart) for 31 years, and it's still going strong. At the time, it had the most powerful wattage. If I were buying today, I would consider other machines, or at least compare them closely on wattage for price, capacity, materials, cleanability. My machine sometimes gets a bit hot, but never falters. When I bought mine, there literally was no real competition. And I would have to be convinced that there is now--that's why I still have mine.

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                                          crawfish RE: janeer Jul 11, 2007 03:41 AM

                                          I bought a Morphy Richards stand mixer because it has more watts (600 watts) than the more expensive Kitchen Aid (350 watts). HOWEVER, I am not sure that watts translates to power. Any electical engineers care to comment?

                                          I really like the design of the Morphy Richards and it has handled my limited baking needs well so far.

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                                            JK Grence the Cosmic Jester RE: crawfish Jul 11, 2007 04:25 AM

                                            Watts are purely marketing. A lower wattage machine can still be more powerful.

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                                          RGC1982 RE: patty Jul 1, 2007 07:28 PM

                                          Try to get one that tilts back -- no matter what the size. The bowl lift mechanism is not that convenient when you need to get in there and scrape down the sides with a spatula.

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                                            foodstorm RE: RGC1982 Jul 6, 2007 10:52 AM

                                            Hmm, I've never had this problem with my bowl lift model, but then I use the spatula that came with it--it fits around the paddle and whisk and dough hook attachments just fine.

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                                            chocolatechip RE: patty Jul 4, 2007 12:40 PM

                                            I've had my Kitchen Aid mixer for about 10 years and I swear by it! I have the tilt head version and I can't imagine not wanting this feature, it makes life easier for me. I think some of the newer models have a spinning base which seems like it could be helpful, though I have never had a problem with my batter or dough not mixing all the way through. The biggest downfall for me in my small kitchen is the weight of the thing..it is so heavy it becomes a chore to take it down (I don't have room on my counter for it).

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                                              kellysue RE: patty Jul 5, 2007 09:12 AM

                                              GOOD FOR YOU! After 20+ years of cooking and baking, I also treated myself to a KitchenAid stand mixer about a 1 1/2 years ago. I had the same questions as you do regarding size and wattage. Ultimately, I opted for the larger 525 watts and 6-qt. bowl and am I ever glad that I did! I do everythign from basic cakes to cookie dough to scratch yeast doughs in my mixer and I have found that the extra power (especially for kneading dough and or handling stiff cookie doughs) is critical. I also like the larger bowl so that there is plenty of head space for adding ingredients (most especially flour) without fear of going over or near the edge/top of the bowl. Go for the big one...I haven't regretted it for one minute! Good luck!

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                                                Felixnot RE: patty Jul 9, 2007 09:32 AM

                                                I've had my 4-1/2 bowl model for almost 20 years. Never needed anything bigger. Of course I'm making family size quantities, but do on occasion make double sizes of cookies, etc. As much as I pine for a larger cooler one, since mine is just white, I know it's doing its job.

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                                                  Jadecook RE: patty May 25, 2010 12:50 PM

                                                  I would like to clear this up once and for all. I called the customer service number (you can find it on their website, it would be the one for counter top products) and this is what they told me and it makes perfect sense to me and I made sure to ask questions so that everything I was wondering about would be cleared up. I asked her about hearing that some KitchenAid stand mixers now have plastic gears or housing. She told me that all the gears for all the stand mixers are metal, however all of the tilt head mixers have a nylon casing instead of a metal one and that the reason for that is that it needs flexibility there for the head to be able to tilt back. She also said that while many people who repair the KitchenAids seem to be blaming the reason why the mixers are not lasting is because they have plastic casings when often it is just people using the machine on the wrong setting or something like that.

                                                  Now I work in a retail store that sells both the new and refurbished mixers so I wanted to find out so that I can give customers an honest answer because people have been asking us lately about it. Because I sell them I know something about them. I often ask people if they make bread often because I know that if they buy a mixer that is under a certain wattage that the motor will not last for very long because it does not have the power to mix it. (I will give a list of the power wattages) So I advise them to buy a certain mixer based on their needs. I know that almost all of the tilt head models have lower wattages than the bowl lift models which is why it makes sense that the bowl lift models have a metal casing, they have more power therefore a metal casing is necessary which is why they make them bowl lifts instead of making them all the more convenient tilt head. I also asked the customer service person if the nylon casing is only on newer models or on all tilt heads , she said that all tilt heads have it. This says to me that the move to nylon for a casing was for performance purposes and not to skimp on production costs.

                                                  Now here is the list of power wattages for the mixers:

                                                  575 watts-
                                                  bowl lift 6qt- Pro 600, Pro line

                                                  Anything below 575 watts will not be able to handle tough elastic dough such as sour dough especially on a regular basis but can handle dough and on a semi regular basis as long as it isn't too tough or elastic.

                                                  475 watts- (I know there is a mixer in this wattage because we sell it at work but I can't remember the kind and they didn't list it on the website)
                                                  bowl lift 5qt -

                                                  450 watts-
                                                  bowl lift 5qt - Commercial 5, Pro 5 Plus

                                                  Anything below 450 Watts are not really fit for bread dough unless it is a light dough used not very often for that purpose.

                                                  325 watts-
                                                  tilt head 5qt - Commercial Metalic, Artisan,

                                                  bowl lift 5qt - Heavy Duty Plus series

                                                  300 watts-
                                                  tilt head 4.5qt - Ultra Power
                                                  bowl lift 5qt - Pro 450

                                                  250 watts-
                                                  tilt head 4.5qt - Classic

                                                  There may be other models not listed here that they didn't have listed on the website.

                                                  Also I feel that I must mention that although the 6qt has the most wattage that it doesn't do small amounts very well and is excessive in some cases anyways so if you don't really need it I would definitely reccomend buying the next wattage down unless you are doing something like sourdough which I know it doesn't handle well.

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                                                    SanityRemoved RE: Jadecook May 25, 2010 02:28 PM

                                                    Thanks Jadecook, you sealed the deal on me getting a stand alone meat grinder(800 watts) instead of the KA attachment. My daughter would have killed me if I burned up the motor on her 5qt Artisan.

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                                                      smkit RE: Jadecook Jul 14, 2010 06:50 AM

                                                      Thanks for the good info. I was actually thinking of getting the 90th Anniversary edition and see that it is a tilt version. Now I will probably hold off. I was also worried that since it was a relatively new item, the reviews on Amazon don't reflect how long it might actually last. I'm going to hold off for now.

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                                                        Karen at Fenix Foods RE: Jadecook Aug 28, 2010 10:28 AM

                                                        You have provided very valuable information. Thank you.

                                                        I basically use my KA for bread dough. It was a gift, so I didn't have a chance to make a choice. It is the 4.5 tilt head. My biggest problems thus far are not only is it not powerful enough for the doughs (Whole grain &/or sourdough) I need to mix, but I have had to purchase a new bowl. Stiff doughs will wear out the part of the bowl that locks it in place. So making white pizza dough required ten minutes of standing there holding the bowl in place. I would imagine that some cookie doughs are probably too tough for this bowl also.

                                                        I found this thread when I was looking for information on the K5-A mixers...

                                                        I had mentioned to my husband (the whole grain bread is for him) that the design of the bowl-lift mixer would be better for me because of my uses. Low and behold, this time he listened...and he found a K5-A at a yard sale this morning. Can't wait to go home, clean it up, and make some sourdough,

                                                        Now, to find a grain mill...:)

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                                                        twinkienic RE: patty Jun 15, 2010 02:25 PM

                                                        Does anyone know what the Architect Series stand mixer is? I can't seem to find any information about it online (in fact, it's not even listed on the Kitchenaid website). I know The Bay here in Canada sells it and I haven't had a chance yet to go by and look at the stats. From what I see online I don't see much difference from the Artisan (both 325W, tilt-head).

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                                                          Atomica RE: twinkienic Jul 13, 2010 06:20 PM

                                                          I found it very quickly. http://www.macys.com/catalog/product/...

                                                        2. Antilope RE: patty Aug 28, 2010 01:17 PM

                                                          Cook's Illustrated review of Stand Mixers (Inexpensive)
                                                          December 1, 2007. From Cook's Country:

                                                          Highly Recommended

                                                          Kitchenaid Classic Plus Stand Mixer, Model Number K45SS


                                                          Bosch Compact Kitchen Machine, Model Number MUM4420UC
                                                          Hamilton Beach Eclectrics Stand Mixer, Model Number 63221

                                                          Recommended with Reservations

                                                          EuroPro Convertible Hand/Stand Mixer, Model Number EP585
                                                          Sunbeam Heritage Mixmaster, Legacy Edition, Model Number 211903
                                                          Farberware Select Series Electronic Stand Mixer, Model Number FSM126E
                                                          Sunbeam Heritage Mixmaster, Model Number 2350

                                                          Not Recommended

                                                          Hamilton Beach Power Deluxe Stand Mixer, Model Number 64695

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                                                            Antilope RE: Antilope Aug 28, 2010 02:11 PM

                                                            Cook's Illustrated review of Stand Mixers (High-End)
                                                            Published March 1, 2008. From Cook's Illustrated:

                                                            Highly Recommended

                                                            Cuisinart 5.5 Quart Stand Mixer, Model Number SM-55


                                                            KitchenAid Professional 600 Stand Mixer, Model Number KP26M1X
                                                            DeLonghi DSM5 Stand Mixer, Model Number DSM5
                                                            Hobart N50 Stand Mixer, Model Number N50

                                                            Recommended with Reservations

                                                            Wolfgang Puck Bistro Stand Mixer, Model Number BMSD0035
                                                            Viking VSM500 Stand Mixer, Model Number VSM500
                                                            DeLonghi DSM7 Stand Mixer, Model Number DSM7
                                                            KitchenAid Artisan Stand Mixer, Model Number KSM150PS
                                                            KitchenAid Accolade 400 Stand Mixer, Model Number KN15E1X
                                                            Viking VSM700 Stand Mixer, Model Number VSM700
                                                            Hamilton Beach CPM700 Stand Mixer, Model Number CPM700
                                                            Bosch Universal Kitchen Machine, Model Number MUM6610UC

                                                            Not Recommended

                                                            West Bend 12-Speed Stand Mixer, Model Number 41125
                                                            KitchenAid Classic Series Stand Mixer, Model Number K45SS (not good at kneading bread dough)
                                                            Electrolux DLS-2000 Assistent Stand Mixer, Model Number 33757

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                                                              jbuttitta RE: Antilope Aug 28, 2010 05:38 PM

                                                              Interesting that the KitchenAid Classic Series Stand Mixer, Model Number K45SS won the "inexpensive" class, yet was not recommended in the "High-End". And while I really don't understand how the same machine can be in both classes, I do believe many a decent loaf has been kneaded in one. I wouldn't buy one though, as for a few dollars more you can get a more powerful mixer.

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