- WildRose May 7, 2002 09:26 AM
Ok Chowhounds My Mum is looking for a recipe for Salisbury steak.
She has been disappointed with all the ones she has found on the net because They all seemed to call for ketchup and packaged onion soup
Dose anyone have a good recipe that uses real ingredients, and no ketchup.
She use good quality meat and has all the standard kitchen goodies.
And no I dont know why she just doesnt open Joy or Julia, sigh but thats what a good daughter dose, gets the info she wants, the way she wants it (grin)
Hi WildRose, I used to make a dish called Salisbury steak a lot of years ago. I went to Google to be sure I was remembering correctly and was amazed to see that the recipes called for ground beef. Is that what your mom uses? My Salisbury steak started out with round steak, with a lot of seasoned flour pounded into it. So what was I making all those years? Or is my rendition just a variation? Now I'm confused! Pat
Your best source will probably be those ring-binder cookbooks that every church group/ladies' auxiliary/Association of Clerks of Court etc put out as fund-raisers. The best I can do DOES have ketchup in the sauce (I might substitute Heinz 57)
From a handwritten note in he family archives: dates to the 1950's by my guess.
ground beef (2 lbs)
4 Tblsp chopped onion
2 Tbls finely chopped green onion
garlic, chopped fine
parsely, chopped fine
salt/pepper to taste
paprika, 1/4 to 1/2 teasp
butter 3 Tblsp
ketchup 1/2 cup
Lea & Perrins 1 Tablesp
dry mustard 1/2 tsp
sherry 3 0r 4 Tablsp.
Combine frst list through paprika for your burgers. Make into thick patties, dredge in flour, drizzle oilive oil over them and grill to desired doneness.
Melt butter and other sauce ingredients together. Add sherry at the end. Pour over beef
Thank you Hazelhurst but it seems thats the problem. All the recipes she has been finding have been those 1950s Midwest church supper type. What she is looking for is what she use to eat in Canada/England in the 40s 50s. It had a brown gravy perhaps with a bit of onion but no ketchup or bottled souses of any kind. I think what TV Dinners use to make is closer to what she is looking for than anything else.
I must say I think its neat that you have a hand written note with a family recipe. I think we have two like that, one for bread, and one for a lemon desert. Perhaps I will pass on my Hard Drive to my children so they can have my recipes
Have some for you, if you want me to look more let me know.
From Meta Given's Modern Encyclopedia of Cooking (1947)
1-1/2 # Ground Beef
1-1/2 t salt
Pepper to taste
2 t grated onion
1 egg, beaten
Purchase meat in the piece and have it ground once. Combine all ingredients except butter, mixing thoroughly but lightly. On a buttered shallow baking pan, mold the meat into the shape of an oblong, oval or rectangle to fit platter, making it about 1-1/4" thick and pushing edges up so they will be square like a steak. Brush top and sides with melted butter and place in a hot (450) oven. Bake 10 minutes, then reduce heat to moderately slow (325) to finish cooking, which will take about 25 minutes longer. Brush with butter once or twice during baking. Slide carefully onto hot platter, using pancake turner. Serve with sauteed mushrooms, french-fried onions or tomato sauce, if desired, or with more melted butter. 5 servings.
From the McCalls Cookbook (1963)
1-1/2 # ground chuck
3/4 cup raw quick-cooking oats
1/4 c chopped onion
2 t salt
1/4 t pepper
1/2 c tomato juice
Combine all ingredients in large bowl. On rack of broiler pan, shape meat mixture to resemble 1-1/2" porterhouse steak. Broil 4 inches from heat; for medium rare, broil 7 minutes on one side, 5 minutes on other.
>I can see why most recipes call for the ketchup and onion-soup mix to "pep" things up. If I were going to do this I would probably have a chuck roast coarsely ground (once, as in the first recipe) and add a little tabasco or worchester sauce and do a modified marchand du vin sauce with lots of mushrooms and onions and maybe a little mustard.
Thank you all and sorry for the double posts, but they seem to have been cleared up.
More from the Mum front. she says "Will try that, but the recipe I remember contained fresh bread crumbs soaked in milk, and I can't find it anywhere"
I think its how the housekeeper made them, sigh. Anyway thanks again.
No milk, but mushroom sauce. Don't know if this is any help. I searched around and found my mom's old recipe (we lived in NEW England). Can't give you specifics like what type of fat or what type of stock.
Felecia's Salsbury Steak
2 cups mushroom sauce
1 1/2 pounds ground beef
1/2 bread crumbs
1/4 cup finely chopped onion
1 egg, slightly beaten
In a medium bowl, thoroughly mix 1/4 cup sauce, beef bread crumbs, onion and egg. Firmly shape into patties.
Heat skillet over medium heat until hot. Add patties: cook 3 to 4 minutes on each side until browned. Pour off fat. Strir remaining sauce into skillet. Cover and cook over low heat 20 minutes sirring occasionally.
4 tablespoons flour
4 tablespoons fat
2 tablespoons chopped onion
1 cup sliced fresh or canned mushrooms
2 cups stock
Salt and pepper to taste
Brown flour in saucepan. In another pan, melt fat. Saute mushrooms and onions until slightly brown. Remove from fat. Add flour to fat. Mix well. Add stock gradually, stirring constantly. Cook until thickened. Add onions and mushrooms. Season with salt and peper to taste. Simmer 2 minutes.
The bread and milk that Mum is referring to is a "panade" in French cooking--bread, breadcrumbs or cracker meal mixed with milk to form a paste. It is the secret to tender gound meat products. I use about a third cup each of cracker meal and milk to 1 1/2 pounds of ground meat and one egg as the basis for meatloaf, meatballs and panfried ground beef patties that my mother called "koteletten". The meat mixture for the latter is flavored with fresh garlic, salt and some ketchup. If one wishes to avoid ketchup, the milk in the panade can be replaced with tomato juice or V8. The patties are shaped, rolled in cracker crumbs and then sauteed in vegetable oil until cooked through, browned and crispy on both sides. If a similar meat mixture were flavored with chopped onion instead of garlic, shaped into squares, cooked at lower heat until cooked through but not crisp and then served with a brown gravy--voila! Salisbury steak!
We have always just made large patties from a good grade of ground beef and lightly seasoned them with salt and pepper. We then carmelize a couple of large sweet onions in a seperate pan. Grill or fry the patties when done serve with the onions atop. If you want to serve mashed potatoes you can make some au jus it's easiest to use Knorr package brand. This avoids the whole ketchup recipe.
Below is the one I have used for several years.
Salisbury Steak with Onion Mushroom Gravy
1-1/2 pounds lean ground beef
1 jar (12 ounces) beef gravy*, divided (in original recipe; can use beef gravy listed below)
1/2 cup bread crumbs
1/2 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. pepper
1/4 tsp. onion powder
1 small onion, thinly sliced
1/2 pound fresh mushrooms, sliced, or 1 jar (4 ounces) sliced mushrooms
1/4 cup water
Combine beef, 1/4 cup gravy, egg, bread crumbs, salt, pepper and onion powder; mix well. Shape into 6 oval patties.
Spray a large skillet with non-stick cooking spray. Brown patties over medium heat 4 to 5 minutes per side. Remove from skillet and keep warm.
In same skillet, saute onions and mushrooms until tender. Stir in gravy and water and simmer for 1 minute. Return beef to skillet; cover and cook another 10 minutes, or until beef is cooked to desired doneness.
1/4 cup butter
1/4 cup all-purpose flour
1 1/2 cups beef stock
1 1/2 t beef base
1 T onion powder
1 T garlic powder
Black pepper, to taste
Splash of Worcestershire sauce or Kitchen Bouquet, if desired
Melt butter in skillet. Add flour; stir and cook until roux is golden brown or a little darker. Add beef stock, beef base, onion powder, garlic powder, black pepper, and Worcestershire or Kitchen Bouquet, if used. Whisk to assure no lumps. Bring to a boil over medium heat and cook until thickened.
I just made the popular recipe on all the websites with french onion soup,horrible. First off I hate bread crumbs so when I see that I know it's not going to be good. I added a bit too much of the onion soup to the meat and it gave it a wierd consistency all in all I would give it a C-. Not that Salisbury steak is some gourmet dish, it's comfort food a hamburger steak dinner with all the comfort food trimmings.
Growing up in the 60's Mom's classic Salisbury Steak was simply meatloaf made into patties and cooked in beef gravy with a little ketchup added to make it a little on the red side.
Swiss Steak was made with round steak and cooked for hours with onions, Then thickened with flour so it was like a gravy.
I don't think it matters either. The Earl of Salisbury would still be proud :)
Just curious to those that post to old threads and don't notice the date....don't you notice that the poster names are all in small, black, different fonts? It seems so obvious to me, so if I don't notice the *date*, I always notice the font.
My husband could live on this! I make it a lot in the winter time.
2 lbs Lean Ground Beef
2/3 Cup Bread Crumbs
½ tsp Salt
½ tsp Pepper
Half a diced onion
Slice the other half of the onion for the gravy
2 Cans Condensed Beef Broth
Package of sliced mushrooms
4 T. Cornstarch
4 T Water
2 – Packets Brown Gravy Mix
Mix First 6 ingredients together and shape into ovals about ¾ inches thick. Cook patties in a skillet turning once until just seared on both sides (will be rare, but finishes cooking in the oven). Set patties aside in a casserole dish (or 13 x 9 pan) Saute the mushrooms and onion. Add one can of beef broth. Heat to boiling. Mix the other can of beef broth, water, cornstarch and 2 packets of gravy together (I shake it in a jar). Add to boiling mixture with a wire whisk and whisk until gravy begins to thicken. I then pour the gravy over the patties in the casserole dish and bake at 350 until bubbly.
Serve with rice, mashed potatoes or noodles.