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Bakeitnow Mar 6, 2002 09:23 AM

What do you think is the best brand of vanilla extract to buy?

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    The Rogue RE: Bakeitnow Mar 6, 2002 10:17 AM

    Penzey's pure double strength vanilla extract made from the highest quality Madagascar "Bourbon Islands" vanilla beans. Hands down the richest, smoothest, not too sweet, an aged mahogony feel to it. I use it in all kinds of things such as french toast, gravies, pot roast, etc.
    J. Forester

    Link: http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-local/Soft...

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      Baruch Sachs RE: The Rogue Mar 6, 2002 10:49 AM

      Although I find Penzey's to be quite good, I am a big fan of Nielsen-Massey Vanilla. I feel it has the same qualities as Penzey's and is a bit cheaper. I have seen it this past year featured on Martha Stewart and it has a huge display in Williams-Sonoma, but is available in most gourmet food shops.

      In addition to their vanilla extract, they have a vanilla paste that is outstanding.

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        cookingman RE: Baruch Sachs May 14, 2008 01:30 PM

        I found an excellent Vanilla extract by Red Rooster www.rrspices.com they have a madagascar bourbon that taste as good as neilsen massey but half the price.

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        Kelli2006 RE: The Rogue May 14, 2008 01:36 PM

        I also love Penzeys 2x, but Nielson Massey is very good. You should read the Cooks Illustrated article on vanilla as some chain vanillas are quite good, depending on the final product.

        Please stay away from the inexpensive Mexican tourist vanilla, as much of it contains Coumadin and is toxic.

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        cypressstylepie RE: Bakeitnow Mar 6, 2002 12:06 PM

        I like the Nielsen-Massey. And in NYC, Broadway Panhandler sells it cheaper than W-S.

        But I can't remember where I read - on this board, perhaps?- that although vanilla extracts may vary in taste greatly with a "straight" taste test alone, or in milk, I've heard (and agree) that taste tests done with a finished baked good shows no difference, even with supermarket brands. I don't think puddings, or non-flour products apply, where I'd use straight beans anyway. I might have read it in Cook's Illustrated, or the Chowhound poster may have been referring to CI. Memory is vague.

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          Karl S. RE: cypressstylepie Mar 6, 2002 12:58 PM

          Indeed, you are referring to Cook's Illustrated, which always offers the service of separating myths (especially ones prone to tempt into spending more money on elite provisions) from facts.

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            La Dolce Vita RE: cypressstylepie May 14, 2008 09:22 PM

            I replicated one of Cook's Illustrated experiments, using Madagascar vanilla extract ($15 per 4-ounce bottle) in one pound cake, and vanillin ($3 per 32-ounce bottle) in another. Most tasters preferred the vanillin poundcake. However, when I am making vanilla ice cream, where the product is not really cooked, I use the more expensive Nielsen-Massey vanilla.

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              racer x RE: La Dolce Vita May 15, 2008 10:58 AM

              Dolce, I remember reading your very helpful post on that:
              http://www.chowhound.com/topics/277855

              What brands of vanillin are recommended?
              We don't have Smart & Final shops in our part of the country.

              (Whatever you do, steer clear of La Flor imitation vanilla extract [ie vanillin] - it's so dilute that you can barely smell or taste any vanillin in it.)

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            Nancy Berry RE: Bakeitnow Mar 6, 2002 12:15 PM

            I love the vanilla products I get from Vanilla.com. The website is fantastic, also. Here's the link:

            Link: http://www.vanilla.com

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              Nancy Berry RE: Nancy Berry Mar 6, 2002 12:23 PM

              Right after I posted this note, I was looking at newspaper food sections on the web (one of my favorite things to do on Wednesday) and came upon this really nice article about the Vanilla.company.

              Here's the link:

              Link: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/arch...

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              DeeS. RE: Bakeitnow Mar 6, 2002 12:20 PM

              Nielsen-Massey is the best in my book. Worth the cost over other extracts you can buy in the grocery store. I know Trader Joe's carries it!

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                saucyknave RE: Bakeitnow Mar 6, 2002 01:13 PM

                What's the consensus on homemade vanilla? It's apparently a very simple process. Somewhere I read it's actually more expensive and not as good. Any thoughts?

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                  Linda W. RE: saucyknave Mar 6, 2002 01:36 PM

                  While I agree with others who vote for Nielsen-Massey, I've also made my own (and I'm currently using it), and it works out quite well.

                  I think if you're used to the N-M Madagascar Bourbon vanilla and use a good bourbon and Madagascar vanilla beans to make your own, you get a pretty good facsimile at a fraction of the cost, I believe.

                  I believe the "recipe" is 2 vanilla beans to a half pint of bourbon. (I can't remember whether you split the beans or not...I didn't in making mine and it seems fine). Let it sit in a dark warm area (like a cupboard or pantry) for 3-4 months, shaking occasionally, and it should be ready to use.

                  It worked fine for me with my recent holiday baking. Supposedly you can continue to add more bourbon (or whatever alcohol you prefer to use) as the vanilla beans doesn't lose strength. I haven't yet done this as I haven't used that much. Maybe someone else can elaborate, but if you can continue to use the beans, I'd think the overall price would go down.

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                    sebetti RE: saucyknave May 15, 2008 08:31 AM

                    I made some home-made vanilla last year and am quite happy it. I made the traditional vodka + vanilla beans recipe. It really doesn't get any simpler than "insert beans in bottle, seal, store" Just remember to turn the bottle every few weeks. My only problem is that I now have an absolute bottle full of vanilla...and no matter how much you bake, that's a lot of vanilla!

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                      morwen RE: saucyknave May 18, 2008 06:51 AM

                      The very best vanilla I've had was a gift of a gallon from a Jamaican lady who brought back several gallons from a trip home to visit her family in the early 80's. It came in a gallon milk jug and I assume was homemade in (I think) a rum base. Very strong, very floral/fruity. I gave some away to friends over the years and finally ran out of it around 2004. Bummer. It was very distinctive in anything I made. And I'd like to note that contrary to CI's results people who ate items I made with this vanilla, both professional and ordinary eaters, commented on the vanilla notes.

                      About a month ago I got a rec from a chowhound poster for a seller called Vanilla Products USA on Ebay and bought a lb. of Tahitian Grade A beans for $24 including postage. There were approx. 150 beans in the pound (that's what-16 cents a bean as opposed to $6.95 for 2 leathery beans at the grocery?), fragrant, floral/fruity, soft and plump and smelling decidedly like the Jamaican vanilla. I immediately split and stuffed 10 of the beans into a pint of vodka. A month later it smells and tastes like what I remember and seems ready to use although I'm going to let it age longer.

                      In the meantime I did an "acid test" with a bean: vanilla pudding. It was unbelievable! Now I'm looking forward to this vanilla in savories and sweets.

                      So the answer to your question is, IMO homemade vanilla is economical and superior to store bought. Oh, and it doesn't have corn syrup added like many of the store brands do.

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                      ruth arcone RE: Bakeitnow Mar 6, 2002 05:54 PM

                      I think Nielson-Massey is best, the Madagascar, not the Tahitian, which I find too flowery.

                      If you can find it, they sell it in quart bottles to professionals, and it is much cheaper that way. I used to get it from Amazon-De Choix (which I read here has changed their name, I can't remember the new name) for about $20/quart.

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                        cypressstylepie RE: Bakeitnow Mar 7, 2002 08:43 AM

                        Reading the other posts, I just remembered seeing another company on the TV Food Network. Those shows where they go out to factories. I don't remember the name of the place, though at the time I made a note to go out and find the place. I think it was in New Jersey. They make their own, second or third generation. They stored them in OAK BARRELS which are permeated with vanilla extract from years ago. I think they only sold it out of their Victorian storefront in New Jersey. Anyone see that and know what place it is?

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                          Nancy Berry RE: cypressstylepie Mar 7, 2002 03:26 PM

                          Here is the link you want:

                          Link: http://www.baldwinextracts.com/

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                            cypressstylepie RE: Nancy Berry Mar 7, 2002 03:43 PM

                            That's right! It was Martha. Thank you for your help! Now, I only hope it's as good as I hope.

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                              HillJ RE: cypressstylepie May 14, 2008 03:01 PM

                              $252.50 for a gallon of that oak barrel extract.
                              I've been making my own vanilla with bods purchased in San Fran and good quality bourbon. Takes time and prep but it's well worth it.
                              Plenty of easy to follow "recipes" online.

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                          racer x RE: Bakeitnow May 14, 2008 08:24 PM

                          The best smelling and tasting vanilla extract I've ever found was a Madagascar Bourbon extract sold under the brand name Epicurean Specialty (WestWorks, Inc; Sebastopol, CA). I have a few drops of it left; it blows Nielsen-Massey's, Trader Joe's pure Bourbon vanilla extract, and McCormick's all away (bought all of these a couple of weeks ago to directly compare them). Unfortunately, the store where I bought the Epicurean Specialty no longer carries it - I'm wondering whether the manufacturer went out of business or dropped this item.

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                            bsheitman RE: Bakeitnow May 15, 2008 11:59 AM

                            I like the TJ's madagascar vanilla...but lately, I've been really getting into their Tahitian vanilla, which is very, very different(not surprising considering it's a different species of plant, and contains very little of the compounds which give Bourbon vanilla it's "vanilla")

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                              Dee S RE: bsheitman May 16, 2008 07:09 AM

                              I enjoy Neilson-Massey vanilla products and have been using them for about 15 years. Great stuff! I also use homemade and TJ's Tahitian.

                              About 10 years ago, I stumbled on to Tahitian vanilla. It is more floral so you have to be careful where you use it. When used correctly, it is amazing! I made a lemon cheesecake with Tahitian vanilla. People swooned. When paired with really good chocolate, Tahitian vanilla really changes chocolate chip cookies.

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                                bsheitman RE: Dee S Apr 8, 2009 01:41 PM

                                Yea, exactly..I like it in whipped cream. Totally takes it to another level. Now if I'm making vanilla ice cream, I'll probably stick to traditional vanilla. Like you said, it depends on the application.

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                                  Richard 16 RE: bsheitman Apr 14, 2009 12:57 AM

                                  For whipped cream use the vanilla and real maple syrup to sweeten. Sprinkle on top grated citrus rind!

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                                    bsheitman RE: Richard 16 Apr 14, 2009 07:51 AM

                                    Now that's taking whipped cream to another level! Excellent.

                            2. Richard 16 RE: Bakeitnow May 15, 2008 11:04 PM

                              I don't have the experience many of the posters have, but I've been using Sonoma brand w/ Madagascar (bourbon) extract -- it includes the actual beans. It's delicious!

                              Here are a couple of web sites that explain the differences in vanilla types:

                              http://vanilla.servolux.nl/vanilla_ty...

                              http://www.organic-vanilla.com/servle...

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                                potterybliss RE: Bakeitnow May 17, 2008 07:36 PM

                                I don't make my own vanilla, but I do like to keep vanilla sugar on hand for baking. I score a vanilla bean and put it in an airtight container filled with sugar. After a few weeks, the sugar is infused with lovely vanilla aroma.

                                1. Caroline1 RE: Bakeitnow May 18, 2008 10:31 AM

                                  In my experience, Posa "vainilla" from Mexico is the most seductive and enchanting vanilla on the planet! I've used a lot of vanillas, fancy and not so fancy, but this is simply the best. Unlike some Mexican vanilla extracts, it is coumarin free, so not to worry. The company is apparently connecting with a new U.S. distributor, so it's not quite as easy to find on line as it once was, but now, twenty dollars will get you 2 one pint bottles with free shipping here: http://tinyurl.com/556l8r

                                  THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL! I just love the stuff! :-)

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                                    Eat_Nopal RE: Caroline1 Apr 14, 2009 01:02 AM

                                    Molino Real is similar to Posa, also Coumarin Free and includes beans in the bottle.... ages well... over a year it matures without getting dull.

                                    http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/pDetail....

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                                    therid RE: Bakeitnow Feb 28, 2011 05:05 PM

                                    I just saw this. My daughter bought me some Gaya Vanilla Extract from Mexico. It is amazing.
                                    It is rich and flavorful without that chemical taste that synthetic vanilla has. A little goes a long way. I just wish I could find it in America.

                                    Watkins Vanilla Extract double strength is the best vanilla stateside I've found so far.

                                    I prefer the blends of Madagascar, Tahitian, and Hawaiian Vanilla the best. Each vanilla has such a different taste. Sometimes it just depends on what flavor you want to impart.

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