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Milk: The Deadly Poison

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Jason Perlow Jul 6, 2001 10:48 AM

Has anyone read this book? Or seen the website notmilk.com?

The author, Robert Cohen was on a late night radio talk show about a week ago on WOR and he had some pretty convincing arguments about the dangers of drinking milk and eating too many dairy products. Being fairly dairy intolerant myself I really cant argue with his claim that the IGF-1 compound is one of the most allergic substances in existence... learning about all those hormones and antibiotics that they pump into processed milk is pretty scary too.

I love pizza and mozzerella and ice cream but fatty cheeses make me sick as hell. I cant seem to get parmigiano and blue cheese out of my diet though.

I've heard the other side of the argument however that RAW milk products can be good for you.

Link: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0965919609/o/qid=994429945/sr=2-1/ref=aps_sr_b_1_1/102-1058447-0164137

Image: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/096...

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    Minty Jul 6, 2001 02:11 PM

    I don't look to negative info that says "DON'T" or "EVIL," "NO," or any photos of skulls and crossbones for my nutrition information. There are too many "nutritional" sites with graphics straight out of the Garbage Pail Kids sticker collection - eating is supposed to be a joyful experience.

    My (ideal) nutritional philosophy tends to fall in the realm of Weston A. Price Foundation or Slow Food. I mean, obviously it won't behoove you to stuff yourself full of dairy 3 times a day - that's just common sense. If someone wants to eliminate dairy from their diet, fine. But for the rest of us, whatever happened to moderation?

    Link: http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm

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      2chez mike Jul 7, 2001 12:22 AM

      I hate dictatorships. But I hear they make really gooood pizza!

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        bryan Jul 8, 2001 11:25 PM

        And they keep the trains running on time.

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      Brandon Nelson Jul 7, 2001 03:39 AM

      Hey Jason!

      Every few years we find ourselves at the mercy of some dietary demon. This is often coupled with some herioc food that will rescue us.

      High cholesterol, for example, runs in my family. Mine is over 300 whether I live on grass, or mainline bacon grease. My mother laced everthing we ate with oat bran and served skinless chicken or fish almost nightly. 15 years later, my cholesterol, as always, around 300.

      I've come to this conclusion, starvation is the only preventable dietary problem. As long as I can beat famine, I'll deal with the rest as it comes. All things in moderation.

      Chow!!!

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        ironmom Jul 7, 2001 07:47 AM

        My former boss, a vegetarian from India, was told by his doctor that he has some sort of cholesterol imbalance (really high bad cholesterol, normal otherwise). They also discovered that it runs in his family. Since then he has been on an extremely low fat diet which excludes lots of other things which are supposed to be good for your heart health, too, some on hearsay or really preliminary research. He eats a diet extremely low in protein, mostly white rice and vegetables. He runs hard an hour every day.

        They got the cholesterol numbers where they wanted them, but he's sick or under treatment for various infections regularly.

        When I asked if this cholesterol problem was affecting his family with heart attacks and other health problems, he said yes, in their seventies.

        Sounds to me like maybe to no effect at all. What he does to remedy this problem is having a negative effect on his lifestyle, and possibly his lifespan.

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          Gene Jul 8, 2001 07:16 AM

          I don't know if you ever watch the animal planet programs but one time they were talking to zoo vets and the subject of the conversation was an older female chimp who had just been diagnosed with high chloersterol! This in an animal that ate a controlled vegetarian diet for 99% of its life. Makes one wonder about low fat , vegetarian diets and their effects on health. If we have any concern for our diet it should start with the packaged junk foods whose labels read like chemical textbooks. For myself I remain an opportunistic omnivore - whatever is tasty and in season is fair game!

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            Caitlin McGrath Jul 9, 2001 08:16 PM

            Sometimes a low-fat, vegetarian diet may not be able to help a high-cholesterol situation (e.g., if the cause is a hereditary problem), but it's really unlikely to exacerbate or cause high cholesterol!

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        Gene Jul 8, 2001 07:25 AM

        One ray of hope per lactose intolerance. A couple of years ago I got symptoms of this annoyance and dropped milk and ice cream from my diet for months. One unexpected side benefit was an improvment in an annoying sinus condition --- BUT -- the good news - after 4 or 5 months I found I could go back to a reduced consumption of ice cream with no worse effect than a small sinus pain. The digestive upsets were gone. Now I limit myself to a pint a month and moderate amounts of cheese. Maybe giving your system a short vacation from milk et al might help. Good luck!

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          ironmom Jul 8, 2001 08:29 AM

          I found I was lactose intolerant when I got pregnant and my mother starting nagging me to start drinking lots of milk, which I had never cared for. I had one long distressing weekend. Since then I have never drunk milk, but I am able to put cream in my coffee and eat occasional small servings of ice cream, as always (cross my fingers, my father can't handle the fat content). Ricotta cheese, though, is a no-no, guaranteed to cause problems. It must be extremely high in lactose.

          You can take my cheese from me when you pry it out of my cold, dead hand, though.

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            Jason Perlow Jul 8, 2001 03:44 PM

            Oh yeah ricotta and fresh mozzerella is like pure death to me.

            Grana Padana Parmigiano Reggiano though... I cant get enough of.

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              fusilli Jul 9, 2001 09:10 AM

              there are two potential problems :
              lactose intolerance, and an actual allergy to milk proteins, mopst frequently a casein (a milk protein)
              allergy. this is not as common as lactose intolerance, but is a truw immune system problem.

              ive seen different statements and data on lactose intolerance over the years...one is that its genetic. mediterraneans, souther italians, blacks and asians have much higher rates of lactose intoelrance than northern europeans. supposedly anyway.
              the other is that it may be somewhat consumption related.

              some people may be getting moret han one reaction from milk.

              i only get bothered by straight milk or a large volume of ice cream...

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                Caitlin McGrath Jul 9, 2001 05:00 PM

                I had a good friend in college who developed lactose intolerance midway through our first year. Two or three years later, the intolerance had gone away, though has limited her dairy intake somewhat since to help ensure it doesn't return.

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          Karl Jul 9, 2001 03:00 PM

          This coincides with this year's lead PETA pet issue (pun intended) of targeting milk as the Great Satan. (The Rudy Guliani campaign was offensive beyond belief -- and I cannot stand Guliani!).

          Mind you, I don't consider milk manufacturers pure and holy by any stretch of the imagination. But this food demonization movement has made me increasingly skeptical of these claims.

          Aside from adulteration issues, the genetic factor is important. Milk in its myriad forms is a basic foodstuff of many (but obviously not all) cultures around the earth; it's certainly in my family's genetic background on most sides, and maybe that's why most of us have low cholesterol and continue to live into our 90s while enjoying large quantities of dairy products....

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            benzer Jul 22, 2010 12:42 PM

            The title of this thread should read: "commerical pasteurized and homogenized milk - the deadly poison"

            commercial milk production focuses around producing an inferior product-for-profit. Milk in its commercial form is a deadly poison.

            However, raw unpasteurized milk from grass fed traditional cows(not holsteins) is a health promoting, nutritious food. Commerical milk is not the same!

            http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/

            http://www.freewebs.com/bovinity/

            http://www.realmilk.com/

            http://www.westonaprice.org/

            http://thebovine.wordpress.com/

            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/721153?tag=search_results;results_list

            recommended videos on the web:

            The oiling of america:

            http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational_and_howto/watch/v20011499p7GjN6Mf

            nourishing traditons:

            http://www.veoh.com/search/videos/q/n...

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            Windsor Jul 22, 2010 05:45 PM

            Read the book "The China Study" It is a study of remote Chinese cultures that have lived for generations without animal proteins. Pretty amazing study! Long lives, cancer and disease free.

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