Hot Dog Info -- Lots!
- Nancy Berry May 28, 2001 11:22 AM
For those folks looking for info re hot dogs, fillings, toppings, history, etc., here's a great starting point. This web page has loads of links and recipes.
Hot Dog Links ?! UGGGH!! I never SAUSAGE a pun!
How accurate is the info on that site? I notice straight-off that kosher dogs must be all-beef. Is that true? Half of the dogs in the supermarket these days are turkey. Are these not kosher? Ditto for chicken dogs, although they seem to be sort of a specialty item. But turkey dogs like "Jennie-O" seem to have gone mainstream.
Along with the beef dogs, they pretty much fill the dog section ("pound"?). Are there in fact pork dogs left anywhere? And what exactly is a "wiener"? Seeing as that site drags a distinction between hot dogs and frankfurters.
I notice she's also got the definition of "pigs in a blanket" off too.
re: Michael Hoffman
The absence of pork products is not sufficient to make a hot dog kosher. For example, a hot dog that contains cheese or dairy products such has whey or casein is not kosher, nor are hot dogs that contain fillers, extenders, or flavor enhancers such as textured veg. proteins. (For this reason, I suspect that turkey and chicken "hot dogs" are not kosher.)
Apart from the ingredients themselves, the production process much be kosher as well, so a hotdog made from meat that came into contact with processing equipment previously used to process non-kosher food is not kosher.
Thanks for the fun link (pun intended). I loved the link to the Twinkies (TM) treat -sliced twinkies in jello (TM). Amazingly trashy. Can't wait to bring it somewhere. But the hot dog paprikash --now, that's got my AustroHungarian grandparents spinning!
Kosher dogs must also be made from kosher meat, and not all parts of a steer can be easily koshered. Why is TVP not kosher? (Assuming it's produced in a supervised facility.) Why can't any number of other fillers be perfectly kosher, as long as they're not dairy-based (like whey, etc.)? Whether they're used or not, I don't know, but I can't think of a reason why they couldn't be.
I'd think pretty much anything goes for fowl-dogs, kosher-wise, one doesn't have to worry about things like nerves, blood vessels, etc the way you do with beef - as long as the birds are processed "kosherly,".
It's really a matter of certification rather than ontology. That is, the designation of a product "kosher" is intended to assure observers of kashrus that a competent authority has determined that the designated product may be bought and eaten with confidence that one dow not thereby incur ritual defilement. Consequently, the fact that something is not certified as kosher does not necessarily mean that it is not kosher: it may mean only that no competent authority has yet investigated and ruled on its status. So while a thing may, in fact, be kosher ontologically, in that it fulfills all the requirements and violates none of the prohibitions of kashrut, it is not deemed to be "safe" for consumption by the observant without an appropriate certification.
Some TVP and other fillers could very well meet the standards necessary to be certified as kosher, however, due to differences in the manufacturing process and ingredients, my guess is that individual products would need to be certified on a case-by-case basis. (I believe that OU has, in fact, certified a number of individual TVP products, but I am not aware of a blanket certification that all TVP are kosher.)
On the question of fowl- (should be, "foul") dogs, I am not aware of any that have been certified, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they couldn't be certified.