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Huge Potato Chip Tasting

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I'm about to do a major potato chip tasting, and would greatly appreciate any tips for really good brands (including small, local companies).

The following are the ones on my list which have previously been discussed on these boards. Please chime in with any other faves (I'm only looking for really good ones), including any info you have...company name, rough location, and which of their products you recommend (I'm including flavored chips in the tasting, though I'll also cover plain ones).

Cape Cod
Eagle (esp. their dark and crunchy)
Gibbles (aka Nibble With Gibble's)
Goods in blue bag
Granny Goose
Herr's ("old fashioned" lard and heinz ketchup)
Humpty Dumpty (bbq, bacon, dilly, clam, hot dog, salt & vinegar )
Kettle Chips
King's (lard)
Krunchers (esp. by Guy's Foods) (plain, bbq, jalapeno)
Lay's Lime and Salt and Vinegar
Maine Coast (made by Humpty Dumpty)
Maui Chips (out of biz I think, replaced by frito lay)
Nibble With Gibble's
Terra Blues
Tim's Cascade's (Portland, Oregon)
Utz (Ripples, Grandma Utz, Utz Kettle Classics and Old Bay Seasoning)
"We don't wash our potatoes..." etc
And last but not least...the blessed chips from La Palma Mexicatessen in SF

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    Dave Feldman

    The only culinary contribution of Bowling Green, Ohio (unless you count the Heinz Ketchup plant) is Cain's Marcelle Potato Chips. These are not delicate chips, but are thick beasts. Cain's was making these ridged chips in the 1930s.

    I haven't sampled one since the 1980s, but they were still wonderful then, and a great chip vehicle, since they are so sturdy.

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    1. re: Dave Feldman

      I have to agree on the Cain's from Bowling Green. I haven't had once since graduation but they are definitely worth a taste.

      1. re: PattyC

        Dave--I just got back from Perrysburg, Ohio, where my folks live, and there is ONE other culinary contribution from the Bowling Green area: This REALLY good bottled marinade/salad dressing called "Garlic Expressions." You can get it all over Northern Ohio--not sure about anywhere else. It's "all natural," no preservatives, and it's great for grilling steak or fish, but I, who loathe salads, wolf down mesclun that's been dribbled with the stuff.

        Oh--I just looked at the bottle. They have a web site www.garlic-expressions.com and you can order 6 bottles for $24 bucks! Life is good.

        1. re: Tom Steele

          Tom--please start new threads for this kind of thing, or at very least change the thread title. There will be other hounds interested to hear about this, but they won't think to look under a potato chip tasting thread!


          1. re: Jim Leff

            We called Lays about getting the Lime flavor in the NYC area--they said it's doubtful they'll bring it back. But hey, you've got lots of friends in LA who can send you a bag, right? Happy crunching.

            1. re: Loeb

              Speaking of Lay's flavors...are they still peddling their cheddar & onion anywhere? They made a brief, tasty appearance on Eastern MA shelves, maybe a year or more ago, and I still miss 'em.

              1. re: Loeb

                "We called Lay's about getting the Lime flavor in the NYC area--they said it's doubtful they'll bring it back."

                SOB! LIME, we hardly knew ye! Does this mean Lime was ALREADY in the NYC area and I missed it??? Say it ain't so. Or do you mean, the flavor, itself, has been abandoned by Lays? I've been hunting it down in NYC ever since my January introduction in Colorado -- and have NEVER seen it. Perhaps it was marketed on the East Coast, but not NYC...?? Until I hear further on this Lime 'situation,' I will be keeping my spirits up with Salt and Vinegar. Oh! Where can I contact Lay's? - couldn't find an email address on their website. Guess I could try snailmail. (Only in our 'Chowhound world,' here, can I be such a big baby about potato chips! LOL!)

                1. re: Alice

                  Actually we gave them a huge build-up and when we got a bag from LA they were not one of those addictive flavors for us. I actually liked "Coney Island Hotdog" better!

                  1. re: Loeb

                    CONEY ISLAND HOT DOG CHIPS??? What's their excuse for not marketing THAT flavor in NY??? Guess they feel we have the 'real thing' here. Wonder what other flavors we East Coasters are missing...

                    1. re: Alice

                      There's an amazingly long thread on different PC's from about a year ago--might even be a few threads. You'll get a kick out of some flavors chowhounders cite. The Coney Island Chips were actually sold for awhile in the Coney Island area--they seem to have disappeared.

            2. re: Tom Steele

              This is good bottled dressing, and do use it as a base for marinades as well as a salad dressing. However,like so many non-emulsified dressings I find the oil/vinegar ratio out of whack with way too much oil. When I shake, the dressing separates again before I can pour and results in very oily salads. With Garlic Expressions I pour out and dispose of most of the oil. This is fairly wasteful but I do love the remaining vinegar, garlic and goop mixture in the bottle with just a little bit of oil.

          2. re: Dave Feldman

            Dave, I cannot find a SINGLE mention of these chips anywhere on the internet or in directory assistance (except for an antiques store which sells their old tins...not a good sign!).

            is it possible you've got the spelling wrong? If not, they're looking OOB...


            1. re: Jim Leff

              I'm worried that Cain's might no longer exist. I've sent you a URL with a reference to the Marcelle chips.

              I'll contact some friends in Bowling Green and see what they have to say.

          3. C'mon throw in Wises and Pringles! a few more calories won't hurt and it would be fun to see where they stack up.

            1. I think you HAVE to include our old friend, Wise -- it's been such a staple for chips in this area. Been eating them since I was a kid and I'm now an aging baby boomer. Please don't leave out this wonderful old geezer of chips. (They have an tasty oil flavor unlike any other chip I've tasted.) Thanks, Jim. Looking forward to the results of your tasting!

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              1. re: Alice

                Potato chips are one of the very few items where I'm as well-versed with the cooking as with the eating. And I'll tell you a secret that I don't think anyone else has ever noticed: if you deep fry your chips, they come out tasting more or less like Lays. If you pan fry them, they taste more or less like Wise.

                It's not the oil flavor that's different with Wise; I don't know how it translates on their mega-scale of production, but it's a prep method thing.


                1. re: Jim Leff

                  Thanks for that interesting tidbit, Jim. As a Wise fan, I will keep that in mind when I prepare potatoes!

                  1. re: Alice

                    Omigod. Wise is still cranking out those greasy yet somehow crispy chips? As a mere youth in NJ about 600 years ago, my buddies & I misspent years of our lives figuring out how to boost cases of nickel bags of chips from the nearby processing plant. One score would keep us happy for weeks (prob was days, really). As a hound-in-training, I prob got higher from those nickel bags then kids today get from their nickel bags.

                2. re: Alice

                  I'll cast a vote for Wise too. They can be overly salty, but there are two remedies for that:

                  1) Buy the Lightly Salted flavor.

                  2) Dip the chips in plain sour cream. This is especially good with the Onion and Garlic flavor.

                3. Lay's has just introduced a line of "gourmet" chips here in San Francisco (I'm not sure whether this is a regional test or whether they have full national distribution.)

                  They're called Lay's Bistro Gourmet Potato Chips and they come in a variety of flavors:

                  Bistro Classic
                  Roasted Garlic & Herb
                  Applewood BBQ & Smoked Cheddar
                  Sharp Cheddar and Jalepeno

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                    Jason Perlow

                    The terras with salt and pepper are kickass, as are the garlic ones.

                    1. Jim, two more for you:

                      1. Martin's, York Pa. If you drive to the York Market on, you can get them hand bagged by the little old ladies. The plain chips are nice and lardy. I like the BBQ chips a lot as well.

                      2. Route 11, Middletown, Va. These are fabulous chips. The place is owned by the folks who run the Tabard Inn restaurant in Washington. Try the "Death Rain." They are easily the hottest chips I've ever eaten.

                      They also have dill pickle and old bay flavors, among others.

                      I've included a link to their web site.

                      Link: http://www.rt11.com/

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                      1. re: Bob W.


                        Thanks...but both were already on the list! I'm writing this for publication elsewhere (though I'll definitely summarize results here and link to there as soon as it's published), so I'm slightly hesitant to publish my full list (with the obscure brands) until the whole thing's done.

                        Does Route 11 still have thier premium line, called Tabard Chips?

                        1. re: Jim Leff

                          Jim, according to the Route 11 website, the Tabard Inn Yukon Gold chips are alive and well!

                          1. re: Jim Leff
                            Jennifer Fish Wilson

                            Route 11 chips are in Bon Appetit August issue! (Is this a good or a bad sign?)

                          2. re: Bob W.

                            I realize this thread is a tad out of date but I tried the Route 11 "Chesapeake Crab" flavor chips today. Eww. I must admit the flavor has a lot of potential but the chips were SOO salty I could barely eat more than 5 (no mean feat for a potato chip). They had a nice peppery finish to them though which was good.
                            I have also tried the Dill flavor which were good but a bit too subtle for my taste....

                            Just my two cents......


                            1. re: MLogan

                              I have to agree with you. I'm not a major fan of Route 11 chips -- no doubt due to their lack of intensity. The dill was slightly insipid. Wish my local markets (NYC) would sell the dill in other brands.

                              1. re: Alice
                                Jason Perlow

                                You should try Route 11's "Blair's Death Rain" chips. If those arent "intense" enough for ya I dont know what is...

                                1. re: Jason Perlow

                                  Jason, Route 11's "Blair's Death Rain" chips?!?! I give up! Pray what type flavor IS this and where have you found it? The marketers must have been stoned! Can't wait to read the package copy.

                                  1. re: Alice

                                    Route 11's Death Rain chips are flavored with habaneros and possibly some other peppers. Someone brought a bag into my wife's office and people tried them without knowing what they were. There was much agita and general freaking out.

                                    When down in New Orleans recently I brought home a bag of this year's Zapp's limited edition flavor: XXX Habanero. According to the bag they are "Dangerous to breath and brain." We'll see how they stack up against the Death Rain chips, but based on my previous experience with Zapp's, I'm expecting some extremely hot chips.

                                    1. re: Bob W.

                                      You know, I considered the Death Rain Chips too. But, much like those brightly colored frogs in South America, I figure the flaming skull was a warning to NOT TOUCH!
                                      Perhaps I am a wimp but I just want a chip that has a nice flavor to compliment my sandwich. I don't understand products where the sole purpose seems to be to inflict pain upon oneself or to prove who has the biggest, um, taste buds.

                                      Not that I don't get a kick out of them once in a while but there is such a proliferation of them out there! I guess they figure that the curiousity factor is all they need. Good marketers!


                                    2. re: Alice
                                      Jason Perlow

                                      Yes as Bob says, they are barbecue-type flavored chips with lots of garlic and orange habeneros, possibly some cayenne as well. They are EXTREMELY hot. My macho friend at work from jamaica tried them and actually -coughed- when he popped a handful of them into his mouth, assuming they would be wimpy.

                                      The bag is black and yellow with a big flaming skull on the front.

                            2. The Chippery, at 23rd and Broadway.

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                              1. re: Julie H.
                                Caitlin Wheeler

                                There's also a Chippery on LaGuardia Place between Bleecker and Houston. Their salt and vinegar were VERY vinegary (which I like) but the potato was still tasteable (which I also like) Also, they aren't too thick and are crispy.

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                                Alexandra Eisler

                                I don't know how useful this is, but Burts Potato Chips, from the UK, are superb. Hand cut, cooked in small batches and carefully salted: WOW!

                                They don't export (sob!) and believe me, I have begged.

                                Here are the contact details:

                                Burts Potato Chips
                                The Parcel Shed
                                Station Yard
                                TQ7 1ES
                                PH: 011 44 1548 852 220
                                FAX: 011 44 1548 854 010

                                Here is the blurb from a recent UK trade show directory:

                                "We are the smallest artisan crisp maker in the country. Despite the rains we are frying some great potatoes this spring -Linda and Richard Burt welcome you on the stand to taste the results."

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                                  David Jacobson

                                  Make sure you try the Kettle Chips Habanero Ginger variety

                                  1. I like Tim's Cascade Alder Smoke Barbeque Chips. They are very strongly flavored.

                                    1. Jim, this website may prove to be of interest.

                                      Link: http://www.taquitos.net/chipworld/

                                      1. Perhaps Poore Brothers. They are rather thick and crunchy and they say they are made in small batches. They come in habanero, steak & onion (didn't care for that one) dill pickle, parmesean garlic, and plain. They have a website.

                                        Our main local brand is Guy's

                                        1. I see you have the Terra blues on your list and other Terra flavored chips were mentioned, but the plain Yukon Gold should be part of the mix.

                                          1. Hi Jim,

                                            I don't know if they are available in the U.S., but have you ever tried a local Japanese brand called "Calbee's". They actually sort of taste like potatoes.

                                            If you want, give me an address to where I can send a CARE package, and I'll FedEx some bags of the local potato chips; plain and flavored. I'll even get somebody to translate the supposed flavors indicated on the bags.


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                                            1. re: Andy P.

                                              What a coincidence--I just tried Calbee for the first time this weekend--and was about to mention it on this site.

                                              In fact, I have all the facts in front of me. This particular bag contained "Snowpea Crisps." "Ill just have a couple I thought..." Yeah, right!! The bag was gone in 10 minutes.

                                              Here are the details:

                                              The look just like green snowpeas!

                                              --called Calbee Snowpea Crisps (Baked Saya Original)

                                              --made in Japan, distributed by Calbee America, Inc. in Buena Park, California

                                              --Ingredients: green peas, veg oil, rice glucose, powdered soy sauce, dried bonite, distilled vingegar, malt extra, blu perilla and spices.

                                              --15 cal. per serving--3.3 servings per bag.

                                              --located in a Korean grocery shop on Broadway between 79th and 80th street.

                                              The bag was--what can I say--a religious experience. Hey, ya gotta eat yer greens!!


                                              1. re: Lynn

                                                Hi Lynn,

                                                Thanks for the tip. I've always passed them over, but today I did pick up a bag. Unfortunately, I've not gotten around to them, because I also grabbed a bag of, is everybody ready? Cheetos Puff Limited Edition Squid Ink and Curry puff snacks. (Packaged in the classiest snack food bag I've EVER seen).

                                                I've been occasionally munching on the CPLESIACPS' since lunch, and am now going to town on them. Lets just say that they go really well with an ice cold Asahi beer.


                                              2. re: Andy P.
                                                Melanie Wong

                                                Yes, Calbee's potato chips are available here. Picked up a bag in Oakland Chinatown a few months ago. When they say spicy, they mean it!

                                                1. re: Andy P.

                                                  i loved calbee's sweet potato chips (i think they were calbee) when i was kid...though when i think back on it, i recall them as rather plain, somewhat thick, but w/ a very light texture or body (they look sorta like shrimp chips -- those white, pink and green kind i had once in a restaurant)...as a child i always wavered on whether i liked the texture...i think i leaned towards not...i just loved anything sweet potato...though these were not strongly flavored as such...and i think the taste -- combined w/ the texture -- was a bit artifical...terra sweet potato chips taste more like sweet potato, and more naturally so.

                                                  that's why even though i liked them as a child (just b/c they were sweet potato, i guess...i was never, and still am not, much of a chip person...but i liked sweet potatoes better than reg. ones), i've always bypassed them at the japanese markets here in the states.

                                                  does calbee also make the mixed vegetable shoestring-like chips! (in a green bag) love those! the salt and strange-vegetal-amalgam flavor (sorta potato-y, sorta green-y, sorta onion-y)! i always finish the bag too quickly!

                                                  1. re: cj

                                                    just searched and found a site (available in japanese and english).

                                                    guess i was wrong on both those chips i mentioned! i thought they were calbee, but neither are shown on the products page. (if you wanna check them out and have a japanese or maybe korean market nearby, the sweet potato comes in a pink~purplish bag and the veg comes in a green bag...i think both have a pics of the chips and a little vegetable mascot - sorta like mr. peanut - on the bag.)

                                                    the shrimp chips which are shown -- we lived off of those!!

                                                    gotta love the calbee -- making chips, mind you -- "contributes to better health for all people."

                                                    Link: http://www.calbee.co.jp/english/top.htm

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                                                  yvonne johnson

                                                  final report on charles' chips:

                                                  salt and vinegar, onion & garlic and jalapeno flavors were really very good to excellent.

                                                  plain were good

                                                  the bag that disappointed: rippled sour cream & cheddar. these did not taste good to me and some others (tho 2 guys thought they were OK!), and bec of that i wouldn't rec their rippled sorts.

                                                  the above results are based on sample of 12 people!

                                                  one thing i noticed over time was that the chips seemed to have more brown specks round the edges than some other chips. so the jackets aren't totally peeled off. didn't put me off, but people who like a "clean" chip might think otherwise

                                                  i see you have herrs: i think their salt & vinegar are good, at least the ones you get in NJ.

                                                  another to add maybe: "new york deli" (red bags). the jalapeno are very tasty and pleasantly greasy, tho they might have some unhealthy oils in them

                                                  1. I'm delighted you posted this topic because I'd like to discuss my two new favorite chips. 1. Cape Cod Golden Russet Potato Chips - these may be old hat to you NorthEasterners, but they seem to be hard to find here in North Carolina. These are easily the best plain potato chips I've ever eaten. Intense, potatoey flavor, superior to Krunchers! and best of all, they're not even remotely greasy (unlike Krunchers!) Some people find 'em a bit too dark, but that's the way I like 'em (uh huh, uh huh). This is my new favorite; too bad I have to drive fifty miles east of here to find a bag. . . and it's worth it! 2. Chip Thunder Buffalo Wing and Blue Cheese chips (a Lance brand) - The chip is uninspired; a Ruffles knock off, but the flavoring is absolutely incredible! Most barbeque and/or cheese flavored potato chips usually make me gag, but these have a initial spicy jalopeno flavor followed by a cool blue cheese flavor, with an underlying hint of salt and vinegar chips. I'm helplessly addicted! It's like that old Snickers commercial, first you taste the spice, than you taste the cheese, etc. etc. I suspect that this would be a love/hate flavor for most people, but I recommend them wholeheartedly. If you could just combine number one with number two, I'd be in snack food Nirvana!

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                                                    1. re: R. Parker

                                                      My question to you is those salt and vinegar chips are they ruffled and if they are where can I find them in Georgia? Or do they ship to Georgia, I've been looking for these ruffled salt and vinegar chips for a while now! They used to sell them here and then stopped and I've been craving them ever since then! Please help me! Thanks!

                                                      1. re: Liltadpole

                                                        You may want to start a post on the Georgia Board.
                                                        This Post is 13 years old.

                                                    2. I will toss in Boulder Potato Chips. Try the malt vinegar with sea salt. The malt flavor is an unusual twist on the old vinegar. Very good flavor. Their Thai flavored chips seem interesting, but I have not tried them.

                                                      1. jim,

                                                        i've haven't always been a big chip fan but, jay's chips from chicago deserve to be included. since i've moved to virginia, i really miss that taste!!!

                                                        1. There a brand of Chips (Phiineas Fogg) I like from England that I havent seen in years. I used to love their Punjab Puri chips. It's been so long they may be out of biz and they probably taste like chemicals to me now.

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                                                            Steve Potenberg

                                                            Fry yr. own in peanut oil, with good, solid Russets, kosher salt, and (freshly ground) black pepper. Toss on some Urfa if you're ready for a taste treat....

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                                                            1. re: Steve Potenberg

                                                              A seasoning? Ethnic delicacy?

                                                            2. Jim,

                                                              I don't know whether you're still looking for different brands of potato chips for your tasting, but I noticed this brand on the web today -- I haven't tasted it -- was looking at other things on this site and happened to see the potato chips. Here's the link:

                                                              Link: http://www.chiletoday.com/store/chips...

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                                                              1. re: Nancy Berry

                                                                Recently tried these. Wonderfully fiery. I'm not normally a fan of "fat" (thick) potato chips, but 'Chile Today/Hot Tamale was a very worthy flavor!

                                                              2. I have moved from Northern Virginia to southeastern North Carolina. I can not find Gibble's potato chips down here. WHERE CAN I FIND SOME GIBBLE'S??? HELP!!!!

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                                                                1. re: Dave Perry

                                                                  sorry, out of business. no longer can you "Nibble With Gibbles".

                                                                  1. re: Jim Leff

                                                                    Jim: When/where will we see the results of the tasting?

                                                                    1. re: JenniferFishWilson

                                                                      In an upcoming issue of Attache, the US Air inflight magazine (which is a really cool publication...I like most of the in-flight mags, but this one's my fave).

                                                                      My deal with them is that I'm allowed to put the article online after a few months, so definitely look for it here.


                                                                      1. re: Jim Leff

                                                                        Glad to hear we'll be able to read the results on Chowhound. I'm a big Chowhound supporter and will go out of my way for "The Cause" but can't bring myself to buy a US Air ticket just to read your Chip article. Looking forward to the results!

                                                                        1. re: Jim Leff

                                                                          I have seen these as recently as last year in Kroger's in Cincinnati. Actually I have seen several different brands incorporate the "marcelled" description on their package. I doubt that any one brand claims it as an exclusive. Over the years I have eaten potato chips all over the U. S. (note previous potato "chip off"). For unique flavor King's from central PA which are fried in lard (much more intense than Grandma Utz) stand alone. I don't know the twon they are made in but, generally, it is around Reading, PA. This part of PA is sort of like ground zero for potato chips in America.
                                                                          Now that I've re-ordered Kitch'n Cook'd twice since the original order I totally agree that they are the best with the olive oil second and Zapp's CrawTaters third. I've grudgingly come around but you were right!
                                                                          Any potato chip that states on the box "keep out of sunlight" and "refrigerate immediately" is worth the price. And this is truly a lot.

                                                                          1. re: Joe

                                                                            " I have seen these as recently as last year in Kroger's in Cincinnati"

                                                                            not sure what you're referring to....my posting, which you're replying to, doesn't discuss any specific brands.

                                                                            Yes, keep all chips (shoot, all foods) out of sunlight. Refrigeration is not necessary. AFter opening over 200 bags of chips earlier the summer (leftovers all went to charity), I am now a leading authority on keeping opened bags fresh. Here's whatcha do.

                                                                            purge as much air from the bag as possible, and flatten out the bag above the chip line. Fold over the top inch of the bag, and then do two more, wider folds until the bag's folded tightly just above the chips. Be careful not to introduce air during this process! Then put three paper clips along the top of the bag.

                                                                            Even in 90 degree heat and high humidity, the chips will last a week without sogging. Just don't keep the bag open for any longer than you have to. Open, grab, munch, close. Memorize that.

                                                                            Note: the maui chip bag is brittle. For them, put the whole bag inside a freezer seal-'em bag. Purge the air by sucking on the bag just before sealing.


                                                                            1. re: Jim Leff

                                                                              An elegant tutorial on chip keeping. Classic, probably should be carved over the chip sections of any food supermart.

                                                                              1. re: berkleybabe

                                                                                I will accept that praise. And more. Because in opening several hundred bags of chips (which involved accepting about 50 large crates from UPS, trying each one not once, but twice, feeding an entire dorm of skinny college students with a portion of the leftovers, and begging friends to come try just fifty or sixty more products even though they'd sworn off ever again eating another potato chip) over the course of a few weeks, I learned something. I learned, once again, that by going wildly over the top, you can really get to know stuff.

                                                                                I can walk into a supermarket in any part of the country, glimpse the chip selection out of the corner of my eye and wear that weary, superior, seen-it-all look on my face, like a contractor scanning the woodworking nails at Home Depot.

                                                                                I own the aisle. I know what forty bags weigh. I know how to open bags, and I know what packing materials lead to the freshest product. I know their lifespan. I know how to reseal the bags. I know how to ship them. I can identify the oil in a snap. I know all the obscure products, the ones you see only rarely. My pants don't fit.

                                                                                My entire apartment was completely packed with crates of chips, bags of chips, fragments of chips, for about a month. I really really pushed it for a few weeks there (amazingly, I still like the things). It's an extreme approach, nowhere near as fun as gradually ramping up knowledge (hey, it was a gig), but it was an amazing experience that made me pretty much the Chip Wiz in just a month.

                                                                                Kids, don't try this at home.


                                                                                1. re: Jim Leff


                                                                                  just wanted to say how much i enjoyed your "what i did this summer" essay! now that's a job not just anyone could undertake-i fear few are truly that devoted and brave.



                                                                                  1. re: Jim Leff

                                                                                    this is life.....this is life

                                                                    2. If you can get your hands on either Lays Smokey Bacon or Ruffles Sour Cream & Bacon, sold in Canada, those are hands down the best readily available flavours I've found. They taste pretty similar - though I think the Ruffles have a slight edge.

                                                                      *Edit - no clue how I ended up on this thread as it appears to be 13 years old. I am curious to know how that chip tasting turned out!