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Anyone else on Planet who doesn't like Fruit??

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I feel like an alien. I almost never desire fresh fruit (except, and this seems odd, I do enjoy most tropical fruits - mangos, et al. -- and, also, berries). Fruit juices and shakes and ice-cream are okay, too. But plain apples, oranges, peaches, etc., leave me cold. (Which, by the way, is the only way I'd eat them - COLD and very, very crisp and hard.) If a brunch order arrives with fresh fruit, I have to pick it out and segregate the bits -- even if I eat some of the fruit, I hate the thought of it 'tampering' with my savory omelette or bacon. There is almost nothing I will not eat - I have cravings for almost ALL foods, from plain to just plain weird - but from early childhood, I had to be forced to eat fruit. I'm sure I'm missing out on one of Nature's most wondrous gifts. But I just don't like it! Wonder if anyone else suffers this culinary affliction.

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  1. I wouldn't go so far as to say I don't like fruit, but most of the fruit I have access to in the supermarket is simply uninteresting. Apples, oranges, and bananas picked too early, or ripened unnaturally. When it's possible to have these common fruits truly fresh, they taste entirely different to me. Same goes for peaches and berries. You want yours cold and I like mine still warm from the sun, when freshly picked. That doesn't happen very often though. One of my best food memories is coming upon a patch of wild strawberries one summer in Maine. They were no bigger than the tip of your little finger, but they were obscenely delicious, the distillation of strawberry flavor.

    Okay, I'm starting to sound silly, but you get my meaning, I hope. pat

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    1. re: Pat Hammond

      Pat, I think you put your finger on it. Many have never tasted really fresh fruit that has ripened naturally.

      I remember the first time I tasted fresh Hawaiian pineapple (in Hawaii, many years ago). I was with a friend who insisted we try it. My experiences with pineapple were of the canned variety or a piece that came with a slice of ham. I wasn't up for pineapple AT ALL. But my friend's insistence proved right: I was absolutely floored at the sensational taste and sweetness of a really fresh Hawaiian pineapple. I would quickly indulge in one right now.

      I've noticed the same thing about oranges. There is hardly anything that beats a really good, fresh orange. But it's easy to get put off oranges in general if all you ever taste is bland and relatively juiceless.

      I also think most people (including me) have a very difficult time figuring out when a particular fruit is ripe.

      In recent years, we have ordered the Royal Riviera pears from Harry and David. Very expensive for fruit, but what a taste sensation. When ripe, these pears are so juicy, so sweet and tasty, so rich in the essence of pear, that I come close to swooning as the juice dribbles down my chin.

      1. re: George Lynch

        "Royal Riviera" pears are really a variety called comice. I consider comice to be the Cadillac of pears. They are shipped very green, because they are so perishable. A week or more in a brown bag under the sink until they yield slightly to pressure, then be sure to peel the tough skin and---ambrosia! The big fat comice come from Oregon. i have been able to get small ones grown by an orchardist in Pennsylvania at the Dupont Circle farmers' market here in D.C. They are very juicy and flavorful. A question to melonphobes: have you ever tasted a ripe Sharlyn? Or a really good Cranshaw? Most of what passes for melon in the supermarket is undeserving of the name. Good Sharlyn melons were easy to find, when I lived in L.A. Once in a while I see them at Fresh Fields in D.C. But Oh God--a really good Sharlyn melts on your tongue and fills your mouth with juice --the flavor is ascending layers of sweet tropical perfume. Only a prude could disdain such a delight.

        1. re: zora

          I used to be an outspoken melon-hater until someone insisted that I try a piece of ripe Crenshaw. My lord. I'm in complete agreement with Zora - good Crenshaws, Sharlyns, etc., are in another league entirely than the lame, rock-hard honeydews and cantaloupes and such that plague many a fruit cup.

          1. re: Lauren

            Not to be stubborn, but I don't think the juiciest, sweetest, ripest melon in the world could change my tune. The flavor, which I already don't like, would most likely become even further enhanced. Ack. Someone claiming to hate liverwurst (which I like a lot) would probably still dislike the best liverwurst in the entire world. Such is life, I suppose.

            On another note: even though I'm not a fruit fan, for some reason I decided to make a sandwich last night with blue cheese, smoked turkey, walnuts and PEARS (no, not melon) and I have to admit it was pretty darn good.

            1. re: Krista G.
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              Caitlin Wheeler

              I have to chime in agreement on melon flavor, though I find the flavor of ripe melons to be quite different from artificial melon flavor. Melon jelly beans? Repulsive. Midori? Gag me. I shudder just to think of it.

              1. re: Caitlin Wheeler

                How could I forget about Midori. Blech. The sad thing is my favorite color is green, and whenever I see someone drinking a pretty greenish cocktail my curiosity becomes peaked. However, the drink invariably contains the offending liqueur. But then, a drink should probably be more about taste than appearance anyway. Who needs those fluffy things, right?

                I'm also no fan of mint (as a dessert flavoring), which causes a similar problem since I'm visually attracted to green candies, cookies, McDonald's once-a-year Shamrock Shakes and Sundaes, etc. But that's a whole other story...

                1. re: Caitlin Wheeler

                  My biggest pet peeve in artificial flavors is watermelon. I like watermelon. I like watermelon Jolly Ranchers and other similarly-flavored products. I just can't understand how anyone could think they taste alike.

                  1. re: mordacity

                    me, i loathe artificial strawberry.

        2. re: Pat Hammond
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          Caitlin Wheeler

          I completely agree with you, Pat. Who does like that fruit plate that comes with breakfast -- tasteless melon, saggy grapes, and maybe a sour orange slice or two? (Aside from my fiance, who is OBSESSED with fruit) But compare those grapes with the perfumy sweetness of muscat grapes (recently available in Chelsea market) or blueberries bought in the supermarket (or served in most restaurants) to those picked yourself at a Connecticut farm, and a whole new world of fruit emerges. I would make it a quest to find perfect fruit -- fruit haters might change their mind.

          1. re: Pat Hammond

            QUOTE>UNQUOTE

            Pat, when you come to NYC, I'll trade you one pastrami sandwich for one of your Maine "obscenely delicious wild strawberries." The only 'wild strawberries' I've been able to partake of has been courtesy of Ingmar Bergman!

          2. Alice, maybe you should be hypnotized to see if you had any bad fruit experiences as a child. Seriously, I wonder sometimes how the way we are introduced to food as children effects our taste for food as adults. I have a 1 year old son who stole the lemon off the side of my pint of Hoegarden last night. I would never think of feeding such a thing to a child but I watched in amazement as he ate all of the fruit off the lemon a left just the rind. Children usually develop thier sweet tooth first a then later develop a taste for the savory and salty. However, so many things can interupt this process that could have a life long effect.

            1. Hate is a very strong word, I realize. But there's hardly a single fruit I like to eat plain. Maybe cherries or tropical fruit, but that's about it and not very often. I'd rather starve than eat an appple, orange or banana. I always buy bunches of bananas, thinking it'd be a good quick snack or breakfast, and 90% of the time they just turn brown on my kitchen counter.

              The same goes for yogurt (which I realize isn't a fruit). I buy it thinking that it will at least minutely up my daily fruit intake, but I'm not really fond of the stuff. In fact, the week I ate yogurt every day, I got intense stomach aches, which makes no sense since it's supposed to aid digestion and be full of good bacteria and all that.

              I do really like the sweet/meat combo though. I love fruit in sauces and glazes or things like prunes and apricots in tagines or lychees and macadamias stir-fried with something like chicken.

              However, melon is a different story altogether. I actively loathe melon in all forms: watermelon, honeydew, cantaloupe, whatever. People think this is really odd, but I absolutely can't stand the taste. If I even find a melon flavored Jelly Belly in a mixed bag, I'll have to spit it out (and I don't make a habit out of spitting food around). And fruit salads in delis, restaurants or wherever are always like 85% melon, which is very disappointing. Who ever decided that melon is an appropriate breakfast accompaniment?!

              At least I now know I'm not the only fruit avoider in the world.

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              1. re: Krista G.

                I thought I was the only melon hater in the world. In this instance, "hate" is too mild of a word. The aroma literally makes me wretch, especially watermelon, and I can smell it from across a field when at picnics. This is quite strange, as I eat virtually everything else that is considered edible in the Western world.

              2. I'm another one. Yeah, it's a real handicap for a chowhound. And people do look at me funny when I say "no, thanks" to the fruity treat everyone's oohing and ahhing over. I don't dislike all fruits, but even the ones I eat are almost never the first thing I choose to eat, nor yet the second. I make myself eat an apple or a pear or a bunch of grapes or something a couple of times a week, influenced, I suppose, by that food-pyramid thing where they insist you'll die of malnutrition if you don't get your 2-3 fruits a day or whatever. I *like* apples and pears and grapes -- it's just that I seldom feel any real enthusiasm for them. And the list of fruits I will not consume in any way, shape, or form is as long as your arm, and includes many people's favorites: strawberries, pineapples, mangoes, melons (except for watermelon), etc. It's not an aversion to all healthy food -- I love most vegetables. I like yogurt too, but I'm more likely to eat it if it's not fruit-flavored or sweetened (give me tsatsiki any day of the week!) And I enjoy lots of sweet foods, so it's not that. Go figure.

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                1. re: C. Fox

                  How comforting it is to know that one can be a chowhound and not "love" fruit. It's lonely out there when all around you are grabbing at oranges and bananas, et al. I do agree with Pat and George that, as a city dweller, I rarely get fruit at its best. Then again, I'm not sure what 'best' is!! For me, apples must be hard and tart (Granny Smiths). I can't even look at a warm, soft apple. Love lemons, like grapefruit, but feel repulsed if someone is peeling an orange around me. The thought of a juicer -- oranges being squished down onto whirring machinery -- is real "Wes Craven" stuff to me (lol!). (Tho orange juice -- without being near the 'backstage' work to make it -- is okay! Enjoyed blood orange juice, recently. Tart!) Melons? Forget SOFT honeydew and cantelope. Tho, watermelon is refreshing. Again, as I said earlier, berries are great -- am okay with grapes, pinapple - tropical stuff. Think I am seeing a pattern here -- the tarter, the better.) Someone here kindly suggested that I may have been fruit "traumatized" as a child. Well, there was this incident in nursery school where a teacher made my twin and me eat a banana before we were allowed to go home for the day. We threw it up. But the thing is, we threw it up because we ALREADY hated fruit! At any rate, I will keep trying -- and will experiment when the fruit is in its proper season. In the meantime, what are the symptoms of scurvey????

                  1. re: Alice

                    Interesting topic--glad you fruit haters are posting. (Hey, no *wonder* you hate bananas, what a hateful teacher!) I have select fruits I adore, pears above all -yet am a lukewarm watermelon eater--always tastes" off" or wimpy, can't decide which. Hate the seeds! BTW welcome, another twin-there are a number of us on the board, some identical, some fraternal(me and my sister). Might want to check out the thread on twin tastes -you might find it interest. Are you guys identical or not?

                    1. re: berkleybabe

                      Hey - Hi Berkleybabe! That was me, Alice, of "Alice and Lynn" -- the twins that posted that stuff about being 'identical twins' a coupla months ago. (We're the set who has the younger sister who HATES being a sibling of twins. "Deal with it," we say! LOL!) We loved hearing about you and your fraternal twin. Lynn hates fruit, too. I told her to elaborate HER views, tomorrow! (Maybe she'll get into the "seed" dilemma, which you mention. That and PITS! A major turn-off for THIS set of twins. Icky poo.)

                      1. re: Alice

                        Yo, twin girl! Glad to know you're part of the "posse". Tell sis to post, you guys were really interesting with your identical perspective(sorry I got names confused, but I loved posting all that info). Seeds are a bummer-in large red grapes, even raspberries as perfect and dear ($$) as they are. I remember picking huge blackberries in a field behind our suburban Detroit neighborhood; they were some of the best fruit I've ever had. Literally, "hot" off the summer bush, with bees buzzing around, as big as the first joint of your thumb, bursting with flavor and juice and --no seeds! We'd get a whole colander at a time. Of course, now the area is stupid, big foot houses.. so it goes.

                        1. re: berkleybabe

                          You can't get my identical twin sister to eat almost any fruit on a bet. The exceptions are melons and the occasional strawberry. Oh, and fruit pies, especially if loaded with brandy or a liquor.
                          Me, I like 'em all. Especially banannas (deepest apologizes to poor Alice & twin), strawberries, blueberries, all melons, cold apples and oranges and room temp pears. Although I can live without pineapple, unless it's cooked. And I don't like the fuzz on raspberries or peaches, but I eat 'em anyway. Go figure.

                          1. re: barbara ryan

                            "You can't get my twin sister to eat almost any fruit on a bet...Me, I like 'em all."

                            Different twin tastes....interesting! Lynn and I are exactly the same about fruits, though with savory items, I have more of a 'tolerance' for battered foods (fried clams) and richer sauces (coconut curry). Not that that would be my 'first choice' on a menu. A nice not-to-heavy lemon butter garlic sauce would be my preference. (And Lynn's.)

                            1. re: barbara ryan

                              what its the fuzz about anyway? does anyone know?

                            2. re: berkleybabe

                              Berkleybabe, those blackberries sound mighty wonderful. Funnily enough, I remember eating blackberries right off the bush as a child -- and loving it, too! (I also plucked and ate honeysuckle!)Those were the days when the "suburbs" felt like "the country!'

                            3. re: Alice

                              I'm the twin to Alice--the other one--who will soon be appearing with her in "Fear of Fruit!" My sentiments are ditto to her's (naturally.)

                              But here's my focus on it. Mushy texture--and slimy pits. That's what gets me. Maybe I'm setting myself up for some Freudian analysis here--but a soft, mushy, slimy texture totally revolts me. If the peach, the apple, melon, etc is crunchy, tart, etc--I may glance twice at it (tho only because in the year 2001, I don't wanna succumb to some 18th century vitamin disease.) But, even if the fruit flesh passes muster with my peculiar taste buds--I just can't get past those big pits. (ie, those slimy peach-things will bits hanging off it.) I find myself either cutting around the pit with a knife--or feeling slightly bilious as I feel my mouth scraping it. Apples, which yellow even as you eat them, have those icky cores to deal with.

                              Reading the above, I feel like I'm admitting to a dark sickness here. It's not NATURAL to feel like this. But I console myself with the fact that, if need be, I CAN down fruits that don't turn to pulp in my mouth. And, hey, who needs years of analysis about the "whys" of such an aberration, when there's a whole world of salty and sour out there.

                          2. re: Alice

                            Don't worry about scurvy if you're getting your broccoli, potatoes, kale... lots of veggies have substantial C's.

                          3. re: C. Fox

                            "Give me tsatsiki any day of the week." C. Fox

                            LOLOL! Couldn't agree with you more! One of my favorite foods. When I have a craving, it's almost always for something like babaganoush, hummus or tsatsiki! As for yoghurt, I can 'deal with' the fruit flavor (think it's the Brown Cow brand I like - one with cream on top - very good), but prefer and LOVE the plain. Add a little lemon, olive oil, salt, lemon pepper and ground garlic - maybe some ground cumin seed -- and it tastes very "mid-Eastern.' Or sort of like Indian Lassi. (Ingredients also work perfectly with buttermilk.) Great low calorie snack and refreshing for the upcoming summer months.

                            1. re: C. Fox

                              Finally!!! I've found a bunch of like-minded people... I live in a tropical country, and all they do here is eat fruits - all the time... once, even my birthday cake was covered in mangoes - horror of horrors... All my life, everyone around me (my parents, my boyfriend, my friends) have enjoyed fruits and there have been times I wish I enjoyed them too. What is the big fuss really? Meanwhile, I have to bear with the smell (of any fruit really!), which is usually enough to make me quite nauseous... do you think it's a medical or mental condition of some kind?

                            2. OK, I'll fess up. Sitting here thinking about eating an orange, mango, strawberry, persimon, whatever, it sounds great, but when I actually have the slimy, juicy, oozey thing in front of me, a lot of the time I just can't make the commitment to eat it. I kinda hate to admit this because it makes me sound so milquetoast. I eat a banana every day, apples and grapes are fine, but those intense, soft, messy fruits are kind of intimidating.

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                              1. re: chris o

                                There's a question that's begging to be asked here. But since I don't know your sex, I'll be kind.

                                1. re: barbara ryan

                                  "Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
                                  I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
                                  I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."

                                  -The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
                                  T. S. Eliot

                                  1. re: Roger Lee

                                    TS Eliot? I thought that was the Allman Brothers...

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                                Brandon Nelson

                                Great Topic

                                Let the record show that I adore fruit. I must point out though that I am a rare bird in my approach to produce. I have worked in produce retail for 12 years. Most of the people I deal with don't have a clue how to select, handle, or serve the fruit they buy. I know I am painting with a broad brush here. If you are one of the minority who has some produce savy I give you the kudos you deserve. I you aren't here are some tidbits that can can open a whole new world of taste and texture to you.

                                Most supermarket fruit sucks. Thats just the sad truth. It is picked early, and immature, so that it ships and displays well. Most growers (the big ones especially) tend to favor plants that produce fruit that will travel and display well. Taste is a very low priority. Retailers count on eye appeal to sell produce. You have to learn to shop with all off your senses to pick good fruit.

                                We live in a world of instant gratification. People want to be able to buy strawberries year round. The result of that mindset only reenforces the need for fruit that ships well. Example. Up until recently there were no California strawberries to be had. The season hadn't started. We sold berries from New Zealand, Mexico, and Florida. A strawberry that has to travel that far doesn't have much of a shot at being tasty. It was picked before it's prime, and then it spents days in refridgeration. Cold storage hurts the texture of fruit.

                                Fruit is often served ice cold. This doesn't allow great fruit to shine. It is similar to serving wine too cold. Many of the lovely subtle flavors and aromas of a great glass of vino are masked by the cold.

                                Take a trip to the local farmers market. There you will find fruit as it should be. It is often less then pretty. The berries varie in size, the melons are craggy, homely, and less than perfect spheres, the citrus fruits are dull to the eye and hard to the touch. This is as it should be. Take in the smells. Ripe fruit smells like, well, ripe fruit. Enjoy the tastes. The vendors at such places will generous sample their wares to customers, hoping to get them to try new and different varieties. Learn from these people. Ask them how to choose fruit. The information is priceless. If you can develope relationships with the people that sell you your produce you will always get more out of the experience, as any Chowhound should. Don't buy moe than you will eat in the next 3 days. Fresh fruit is heavenly, stored fruit is mediocre.

                                If you still hate fruit. Bummer. But you did your best to find great fruit. Have some ice cream instead!

                                :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

                                Chow!!!

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                                1. re: Brandon Nelson
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                                  Barrie Covington

                                  Brandon -

                                  Thank you for finally putting my thoughts into words!

                                  I am forever saying that the fruit in my grocery store smells like plastic. I don't even bother to buy from them anymore.

                                  We had a fledgling greenmarket in Hamilton Park in Jersey City, but I don't know if enough people supported it, and am not sure it will return. I guess too many people were buying those "perfect" specimens from the ShopRite and not bothering with the real thing....

                                  1. re: Barrie Covington
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                                    Brandon Nelson

                                    Barrie

                                    You may be smelling the stuff that coats a lot of supermarket fruit. Food grade parrafin wax, shellac, carnuba wax, and petroleum jelly are all used as fruit coatings. Buy 2 apples of the same variety. Wash one with hot water and a vegatable brush. Now compare the look of the two of them. The unwashed apple will look shiny and feel slick. Scrape the skin of that apple with a sharp knife. You will see the wax you scrape off. Produce vendors believe the shiny finnish makes for a more appealing product. It also protect the fruit from small punctures, which will cause rot.

                                    I hope you folks haven't lost your green market, that would be a shame. We have to support these ventures to keep them. Farming isn't an easy way to make a living. These folks can offer us a superior product, but they need our business to survive. Good luck!

                                    Chow!!!

                                    1. re: Brandon Nelson

                                      Hi Brandon, thanks for all your helpful information. The ingredients you list on fruit are the reason why I buy organic. People often tell me it's not worth the extra cost, doesn't taste any better, blah blah. I'll pay extra to avoid all that waxy stuff found on apples, oranges, and cucumbers. I also want to avoid the ethylene gas sprayed on tomatoes, bananas and melons that hasten ripening. I've heard the soil used to grow organic fruit/vegs also yields more vitamins/minerals so to me that's also worth the extra cost.

                                      1. re: Ruby
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                                        Brandon Nelson

                                        No doubt that organic is the way to go!

                                        Organic farming has come a long way. I remember 12 years ago when I first started in the industry organic produce was rough. In order to buy organic you had to sacrafice quality. Thats no longer the case. There is plenty of high quality organic produce available now.

                                        I don't worry a lot about the ethylene treatments. Ethylene is a natural by product of the ripening process to begin with. Ethylene also accerlerates the ripening process. That the trick behind those "ripening bags" you see during soft fruit season. The bag keeps the ethylene the fruit is producing close to the fruit so it ripens faster. Paper is preferred over plastic because it won't trap moisture close to your fruit (peaches for instance) and cause them to mold.

                                        Chow!!!

                                  2. re: Brandon Nelson

                                    Thanks Brandon for a terrific look (expose!) into the world of fruit. What's amazing to me is that you say that "to retailers, taste is a very low priority." Isn't that cockeyed thinking? Bad taste is one of the reasons I so rarely BUY fruit. I've grown to assume that that is how it is SUPPOSED to taste (bad) - and since I don't like 'that taste,' I therefore stopped buying it. As for me liking cold fruit, it's probably to mask the taste! Tho I always associate cold with crisp and refreshing which is pleasurable to my peculiar fruit-taste buds - especially in summer. I WILL try the farmer's market though...and start with fruits I like...maybe even build up to "others." Those Crenshaw, et al. melons mentioned here sound like they have potential. But please forgive me if I 'chill' them briefly before indulging. One step at a time. ;->

                                    1. re: Alice
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                                      Brandon Nelson

                                      Hi Alice

                                      You're on the right track! The neat thing about shopping farmers markets is the samples. There are few things that you won't be allowed to taste before you buy them. Crenshaw melons are great. Be on the lookout for ambrosia, and galia melons too. Check back in after a while and let all the hounds know if your perspective hasn't changed!

                                      Chow!!!

                                    2. re: Brandon Nelson

                                      Classic case is then Red Delicious "Apple " which once upon a time ( 30 years ago ) actually fit its name. Now its not even good for throwing! There are stills ome good apples around like the winesap but I dread the day the food " scientists" have their way with it.
                                      California strawberrys are another blot on the face of the earth. I thought at one time that they were that bad because of the shipping problems - then I lived in S.Cal for 12 years and found out that even the local Farmers markets sold the same ______ and were proud of it !

                                      1. re: gene
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                                        Brandon Nelson

                                        Winesap Apples!

                                        Where do you live? I haven't seen one of those for 20 years! What you say about the berries is often true. There are some good ones to be found though, I takes a little patience though.

                                        Chow!!!

                                        1. re: Brandon Nelson

                                          I live in central N.J. There are a few farm stands where I can get the real winesaps late oct thru mid winter. Strawberrys only for the 5 or 6 weeks that they are in season ( thats why I go thru a pint or more a day - laying up memories till the next year )

                                          1. re: Gene

                                            The best apple I ever had was one that I bit into right after I pulled it off the tree, one afternoon years ago while walking in a monastery orchard in central California. Imagine the most appley apple ever...winey, sweet, tart and crisp...now multiply that flavor X 10! That apple was still alive when I ate it.

                                            These days, my fruit comes from a box delivered every other week by Urban Organic, the produce service. It arrives either hard or bruised, usually after a long trip from Mexico, California or Florida. The hard stuff I leave sitting out in the kitchen in a hanging basket to ripen. Once it's soft, I cut out the blemishes, and find that it's still twice as tasty as the waxed, dyed, aseptic fruit in the supermarket. Or those fibrous specimens cut into perfectly symmetrical pieces and piled onto brunch buffets.

                                      2. re: Brandon Nelson

                                        It annoys me when people who live in warmer climes insist that I should eat only fresh fruit and produce locally in season. The quality of supermarket strawberries year-round is greatly improved over what it was just a few years ago. Why should I go without? How will it help local farmers when their strawberries ripen in June, if I shun supermarket strawberries now? Should I take vitamins instead of eating fresh fruit?

                                        People who used to live in this area would now be down to sprouted potatoes and withered carrots, waiting for the first crop of nasty, bitter wild dandelion greens still a few weeks away.

                                        My local farmer's market doesn't open for several weeks, and then there'll be only seedlings and flowering plants for a month. Fruit doesn't come til the end of the summer.

                                        You who have year-round farmers markets with fresh local fruits and vegetable should consider this a rare blessing.

                                        1. re: ironmom
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                                          Brandon Nelson

                                          With all due respect

                                          I chose my home, it didn't choose me. Yes, I feel blessed daily that I live in the Napa valley.

                                          That said, I never insisted on anything. The point of my post was todays supermarket fruit is not the best tasting stuff. If you want to eat strawberries in January be my guest. I don't. I enjoy apples, pears, citrus, and bananas instead. I have purchased all of 2 lbs. of strawberries since November of last year. I passed on what I saw at the San Francisco farmers market because they were a variety I don't like. (90% of the strawberries we eat come out of my mothers yard (June thru, you'll hate this, November)

                                          I recognize the fact that I live in a Chowhounds playground. My suggestions won't work for everyone. My hope was that at least one other Chowhound might find some useful information.

                                          By the way, I bought dandelion greens this weekend!

                                          Chow!!!

                                          1. re: Brandon Nelson

                                            These fruits are all trucked 1500-3000 miles before I have the opportunity to buy them. Hardly fresh.

                                            Supermarket apples are far worse than supermarket strawberries. I'm sure they play bocce with the red delicious apples in the back yard, figuring that they're so dark in color, the customers can't tell if they're totally bruised.

                                            1. re: ironmom
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                                              Brandon Nelson

                                              Hi Ironmom

                                              I wish you had half of the options I do.

                                              One of my old partners in chow moved from Napa to Big Sky Montana in July of 1999. He now manages the kitchen and winelist at "The Big EZ" lodge in Big Sky He sorely misses the produce and seafood here. When he visits his diet consists of seafood, veggies, and Mexican food.

                                              He was out for a triathalon last summer. On the last morning he was here he went to the Napa farmers market with my brother in law and I. He was so excited when he got there he got on his cell phone to his chef and asked if he wanted anything. He left with about 40 pounds of fresh produce packed in his cooler. Even a week later he told me that the odds and ends that were still left were of better quality than the produce that is deleivered to them.

                                              Please understand that I'm not trying to be a snob. We all have to work with whats available. I happen to be very spoiled here. I guess all of us Northern California Chowhounds should be especially aware of our good fortune. It's my sincere hope that you have many wonderful strawberries, apples, whatever treasures a fellow chowhound might desire.

                                              Chow!!!

                                        2. re: Brandon Nelson

                                          A few years ago my local supermarket was advertising "hard ripe" slicing tomatoes (an oxymoron if I've ever heard one) IN AUGUST. I was so disgusted by this I made a point of talking to the produce manager and asking him why they were selling Florida tomatoes in August in NY. His answer was that they needed to be able to sell tomatoes year round, and since the only place they could get tomatoes from in February was from Florida, they were at the mercy of their supplier. In order to be able to get tomatoes in February, they had to agree to buy them year round.

                                          I think people have forgotton what good fruit tastes like. I don't even try to buy tomatoes out of season. But if you demand tomatoes in February, they will taste like cotton. Eat enough of those you either will decide that you hate tomatoes, or you will come to believe that they are SUPPOSED to taste like cotton.

                                          If people become aware of what is in season when, and shop and eat accordingly, they will have a much better chance of eating food that actually tastes good, and tastes the way it should.

                                          Another benefit from eating this way is that I have stopped taking things for granted. If I know that something is only in season for a short while, I make sure to have it during that time, and I find ways to cook and serve that food to showcase it. I find I enjoy it much more that way.

                                          1. re: ruth arcone

                                            I couldn't agree with you more. Not only is eating seasonally the responsible thing to do, but it's more delicious, too.

                                            Things have begun to change on this front, but so far it's just baby steps. The vast majority still wants to have peaches in February and strawberries in October.

                                            I'll never forget trying to get people excited about a book I was working on about the subject years ago. I asked them to compare the taste of a January tomato from the fridge with an August tomato from the garden. I was met with totally blank stares. They just didn't get it. I'd like to think that these days people would at least acknowledge that a difference exists!

                                            1. re: SharonA
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                                              brandon nelson

                                              So good to know I'm not alone!

                                              Have you ever heard people rave about the produce that they had in Europe? How good the tomatoes in Italy were? What wonderful strawberries the French had? I hear that all the time. I don't suppose that a cafe in Tuscany would serve brussetta with those nasty "hard ripe" tomatoes woul you? No way. They would stick to whats in season locally. The minute a fruit company discovers it can sell you crappy produce you will be sold crappy produce. Lets try to get them back on track!

                                              Chow!!!

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                                          Indrani Chauduri

                                          You mention you hate fruit, but then list many you eat! I am a vegetarian who despises fruit. With a great deal of work, I can eat a banana. I have an orange about once a year. I will never touch anything else, and I don't like juices. And yet I cannot live without spinach, bean sprouts, kale, peppers, onions, garlic, ginger, salads of any kind (fruitless)....

                                          I think it has to do with people who crave sugar vs. people who crave salt. I am not much of a dessert eater either, but can easily go through a bag of chips or bottle of pickles in one sitting.

                                          1. Both my husband and mother are like that. They like fruit in theory, but they've each prob. eaten 5 pieces of fruit per year. I can't understand it, but at least in my husband's case, he's a salty, not a sweet-eating guy. They will both eat berries.

                                            1. I am such a fruit lover, it is hard for me to imagine the extreme distaste of fruit dislikers. I wonder how much of it is physiological preference for salty foods,or bad mushy fruit experiences.
                                              My love for fruit is a product having grown up in So Cal, where as kids we cruised the groves and backyard fruit trees. The passing year was marked by fruit seasons, tangerines mean january, loquats at Easter, strawberries and nectarines summer vacation, apricots july 4th, persimons pomengranites back to school.
                                              My grandparents on both sides grew fruit, strawberries ( incredible strawberry ice cream), cantaloupe ( my grandfather would eat with salt), white peaches, granny smith pie apples.
                                              So, I am a fruit glutton,
                                              But I won't try to convert those who can't stand fruit. More fruit for me.

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                                              1. re: ciaolette

                                                My passion for fruit borders on the indecent. I even like fruit that's pretty bad, objectively speaking, like red delicious apples dragged out of cold storage from last season, and canned peaches in heavy syrup. My father calls me the "the fruit bat". Strangely, I'm not fond of bananas, except in smoothies.

                                                1. re: Lindsay B.

                                                  Somehow, bananas don't count as fruit. Bananas are to fruit as potatoes are to vegetables...Yes, they are IN the category, but not quite OF it..Like vegetables, for people who don't like vegetables..Like fruit for people who don't like fruit...Like shrimp, for people who don't like seafood....

                                              2. Most of my life I have hated fruit. Part of it is that I have a weird allergy to certain raw fruits and vegetables. I am not sure if it as a pesticide or herbicide reaction, one to fertilizers, or an enzyme reaction to those naturally present in modern, bred for looks and color, fruit. If the item, most especially potato, carrot, plums, apples, pears, cherries... are slightly heated, cooked, steamed or poached I have no allergy problem.

                                                The other thing is that most fruit is not allowed to ripen naturally and is bred to be harvested to look good, not taste good. Interestingly enough, this past fall I went up to chat with the owner at the Hudson Valley Draft Cider Orchard (they make Maeves hard Cider and others including a perry-a pear cider. The owner was considering making some malo-lactic fermented single rare varietal hard ciders and I wanted a part time job helping) and picked my own apples from their huge orchard. They have 50+ varieties and hundreds of trees, each tree's fruit has a unique flavor, even among the same variety.

                                                This was the first time in my life that I didn't have an allergic reaction to apples and also they tasted fantastic. I went twice a week and picked 10-20 lbs each time. I ate more apples in 4 weeks than most people probably eat in their lives. I located through taste testing several uniques trees about the orchard that were special. One had apples that had a "berry" sort of taste, another with a "pineapple" taste, others with lemon and other citrus flavors. They were so crispy and juicy that your face and hands got all sticky from crunching your way from tree to tree. I guess most of the apples were antique heirloom varieties. I wonder whether it was the fact that they weren't bred to be pretty but flavorless, but to just focus on the taste, that was so great. In a comparison I bought a few apples during that time at the local market and they tasted as terrible as always and I was allergic.

                                                I used to work quite a bit as a wilderness guide / Outward Bound Instructor and love foraging for my own wild fruit and veggies. Now those are worth eating. Especially, wineberries, cloudberries, june berries, blueberries, spice bush berries, and wintergreen berries. The occasional wild paw paw and kiwi can also be found. The wild versions are as ripe as you pick and their flavors are much more intense and "natural" tasting.

                                                The only commercial fruit I really like are lychee- my favorite all time fruit, rambutan, mango, a very occasional banana in heavy cream with sugar, sweet varieties of lemons and especially limes, and the aforementioned amazing apples. I guess I only eat fruit a few times a year at most. I do like some fruit in Malaysian / Indonesian cooking. I think the hot spices and salt make them taste much better. There is nothing better than a very ripe juicy mango covered with hot sauce, juices dripping down your chin. Oh, and while a slightly under ripe or just barely ripe durian is ok, creamy vanilla / banana pudding with a very small hint of garlic... there is nothing worse than a slightly or more, over ripe durian. Ugh! Slimy spoilt, rancid garlic and vanilla pudding with a skin, covered with benzine and diesal fuel sauce comes to mind.

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                                                1. re: The Rogue

                                                  You might enjoy "The Botany of Desire" by Micheal Pollan. His section on apples, their genetic variability that causes different flavors, qualities, and how they have been cultivated is very interesting...a wonderful book.

                                                2. I just wanna say that I have a natural aversion to fruit as well. I can't stomach it. It makes me sick to even smell it. The only things I do like are limes and avocados...

                                                  1. I don't like most fruit, and I suspect a lot of others' reasons apply to me, too, with a couple of added ones: I can't stand things that are sour, and I don't like being sticky.

                                                    Bananas have to be at a particular point of ripeness or I won't touch them. Kiwis make me gag. I detest watermelon. I will eat fresh berries, but they have to have sugar. I bite into a sour one, and it's all over.

                                                    But I love fruit pies--apple, cherry, peach, blackberry, blueberry. I love cantaloupe, when it's soft and mushy in season. I eat it with salt. And I like the occasional Ruby Red grapefruit, also with salt. And I have no particular aversion to canned fruit, either.

                                                    1. This is very interesting. I don't think it's all due to the salt/sweet thing though. I nearly always crave salty snacks and don't have much of a sweet tooth but I love nearly all fruits and I'm not that picky about where they come from. The only ones I don't care for are the ones that taste "rotten" to me -- I don't really see the point of papaya unless it's in a green papaya salad, and we used to have a sapote tree that was kind of gross.

                                                      1. I really, really dislike most raw fruits. Berries and bananas are about it. I am ok with most fruits when cooked. Really, I am ok with most anything when prepared well! I just figure that I can get most vitamins from vegetables, and we eat a lot of vegetables.

                                                        1. I have never liked baked fruit. Not in pies, pastries, or by itself. I'll choke down a seedless grape or two, or a very good ripe orange, but I've lost my appretite for all things sweet for the last year. I like limes and lemons but not baked or doctored things like a key lime pie. I guess avocadoes are a fruit, and technically so are tomatoes and I like both of those. Ultimately savory = good and sweet = bad.

                                                          1. I am with you all the way. I do not like fruit and every time it comes up (I try not to advertise) some people are simply mortified. I will, but rarely, drink fruit juices and sometime I will eat a puree that accompanies a desert. I find it difficult to deal with the smell, texture and stickiness of fruit and believe me I have tried. I just don't like it.

                                                            1. There's been this discussion about allergies in the Not About Food board. Allergies to melons that go away when the fruit is cooked may explain some aversion to melons. Other people mentioned a seasonal allergy to stone fruits linked to ragweed or hayfever, I couldn't find the post but remembered something vaguely like that.

                                                              http://www.chowhound.com/topics/44816...

                                                              I get that awful sore throat feeling when eating a lot of raw or unwashed fruit, almost all melons, but rarely to tropical fruit like mangoes. I want to eat fruit, but then I'm turned off when it comes down to eating it.

                                                              I love cooked fruit and raw berries. Raw bananas are a big turn-off. I almost feel like I have trouble digesting raw fruit. They can make me a little queasy. Washing and scrubbing the outside of the fruit and buying only organic fruit and baking fruit into cobblers and tarts has helped. It helps that cobblers and tarts are fast and easy.

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                                                              1. re: cookie_eater

                                                                Omg! I thought I had to be the only person in the world who hates fruit. I've tried many different things, but it all comes down to the taste and texture.....I don't like any of it. I can eat veggies all day long, but no fruit for this girl!

                                                              2. DW doesn't hate fruit, but she doesn't go out of her way to get some. And then it it is limited to bananas, berries and an occasional apple. No oranges, pears, peaches etc. A glass of oj once or twice a year is about her limit.

                                                                Me? I love just about all fruits, except blueberries.

                                                                1. Here's the list of fruit my husband will eat willingly:
                                                                  1) Apples (and they have to be super-crunchy, fairly tart, and free of bruises).
                                                                  That's it. Seriously. Apparently he used to like grapes when he was younger, but won't touch them now -- he once vaguely explained that he ate too many and got sick of them. His mom says that he used to like bananas as a child, but he HATES them now, with a passion. In fact he has to leave the room if I'm eating one because he can't stand the smell. He also cannot stand the smell of pineapple, and wouldn't try it if I paid him. I, on the other hand, love most fruit. We just had a baby and I'm wondering how, when she's a toddler, to eventually convince her to try various fruit, especially when her daddy is going to turn up his nose at those same items!

                                                                  1. I'm another one who really doesn't like fruit. A lot of mine is a texture thing- I like berry flavor, but hate the seeds and the way that the tartness makes my mouth feel. I don't mind citrus fruits but hate the peeling part and the sections feel weird to me, too. Same for almost all types of fruits- I just don't like how they make my mouth feel. There's no particular fruit that I love or even like. I tolerate them.
                                                                    Oddly, I'll get a craving once in a while for something particular. I ate some grapes today (although the skins were a little tough for my taste) and will probably not eat any more. I love apples early in the fall and after two or three can happily go without until the following year. Same with watermelon and pineapple. I try to get my servings in that way, but am way below what's intended on a daily basis. Thankfully, I love vegetables and eat them often.

                                                                    Interestingly enough; when I was pregnant I craved and ate fruit all the time. It disappeared as soon as I had my son and he's a fruit eating machine. It's funny how that works.
                                                                    I sound totally crazy when I read what I wrote, but please know that I'm a normal person who loves many many types of foods! lol

                                                                    1. Aside from the fact that I'm allergic to berries or that I will eat a banana on occasion, the only fruit I eat is in a pie / cake or flavored brandy

                                                                      1. i have sort of the same lists as you in terms of which fruits I do and don't eat. but it's pretty easy to get tropical fruits now. also, peaches MUST be of the kind that will ripen properly. apples, pears, peaches, bananas all have the potential to be terrible and it seems like a lot of people will eat, serve, and sell them even if they are in my mind terrible. however all 4 of those can be quite good as well. the end result being that we really only eat fruit in season, although i rarely eat oranges.
                                                                        it's really the quality of fruit you have access to.

                                                                        1. I had a very good friend growing up who hated all fruits (not counting vegetable-type fruits like tomato and peppers) and fruit flavors. Didn't matter if they were fresh, candy "fruit" flavors, cooked, anything. Raspberries, blueberries, mangoes, nothing. Except coconut. She did like sweets, just not anything with fruit. It always amazed me, given the wide range of flavors and textures different fruits have.

                                                                          1. I never eat fruits either, nothing more than monkey food. We should have evolved past that stage by now.

                                                                            Although some fruit juices are OK.

                                                                            1. I don’t hate fruit, but it just never seems worth the effort. Generally with fruit you have to peel, chop, or wash something to make it edible, and the results are usually so unsatisfying. Fruit as a component of a meal just seems like a waste of time to me, and it is completely unfulfilling as a snack; no matter how much you eat, you’re always hungry an hour later.

                                                                              This is coming from a guy who will happily wash, chop, and sauté a small head of cabbage with garlic for a quick snack, so the preference for savory over sweet is definitely part of it.

                                                                              1. Add another one to the "dislikes fruit" category right here... like many others have already written, I, too, don't mind berries (raspberries, blackberries, strawberries, blueberries, when fresh, can be tasty). But anything else? Blech.

                                                                                I admit that much of this must come from having tasted sub-par fruit for most of my where I was raised, in Wisconsin (we DO get good berries, so...).

                                                                                That being said -- I have also tasted super fresh fruit in other countries. I would STILL rather eat a piece of broccoli or sugar snap peas, for example, than any hunk of fresh pineapple or mango. In fact, the worst, for me, are tropical fruits, which taste (to me) like they are rotting, even when they are perfectly fresh. The one way I've found around this is to add a "savory" flavor to the fruit. When in Mexico, I could sometimes enjoy slices of mango with chili, lime and salt. When in India, I could enjoy fruit with a chaat masala and salt sprinkled on it. But, to eat a slice of mango or a banana on its own? It often, literally, makes me gag.

                                                                                1. i hav hate dfruit since i was little i don't know why i dont like it anymore i just slowly went off it. now i just cant stand the smell of fruit and only like starberries ilike yogurt but not iff it has bits in and i like tarts

                                                                                  1. After the resurrection, all I noticed is that this is from "2001"

                                                                                    1. I don't eat any fruit or veg I feel like I must taste it differently or something I hate the taste and the texture I hate the look of all kinds I feel sick because I'm not as healthy as I would like to be dose anyone know what could be wrong and how to help I'm a teen girl

                                                                                      1. In the same boat, so I freeze and puree it, with some pineapple juice, and eat like a thick smoothie. Peaches, mango, pineapple, cherries, strawbs, etc. all freeze well.

                                                                                        1. I like you only really enjoy tropical fruits.