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Jake Klisivitch Sep 26, 1998 04:10 PM

Cookware

I'm in the market for some new pots and pans,
especially an oven-proof skillet. Any suggestions?

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    Joan Munkacsi Oct 18, 1998 05:15 PM

    The poster who warned against buying a set was right.
    Since different pan materials excel at achieving
    different results, sets generally make no sense at
    all: the heavy cast iron, say, that makes a skillet
    great for sauteing would make a rust-prone pasta/stock
    pot too heavy to lift. My advice is to think about
    what you need the pan to do. Do some reading on
    properties of various materials, and invest slowly if
    you're not sure what you really want. A $100 All-Clad
    skillet can be a bargain if it fits your needs, an
    expensive mistake if not. Better to start out with
    something like T-Fal (not expensive and often
    discounted, serviceable if not particularly durable)
    and then move up as you figure out where you want to
    move. Then buy the best; I'm still happily using some
    pots, pans, and knives more than thirty years old.

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      christina z. Sep 30, 1998 07:38 AM

      Read everyone's advice below and look through the
      Chef's Catalog (call 800-338-3232 if you want a copy)
      to see photos of what they're talking about.
      Then if you can't get to a cookware outlet, order
      through the catalog. Happy browsing and cooking.

      cz

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        Dave Feldman Oct 1, 1998 02:24 AM

        Christina,

        I've bought some things from Cook's and found their service and products to be fine. But generally their prices are much higher than Zabar's.

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          Pete Feliz Oct 3, 1998 11:01 AM

          I agree with Christina Z. completely. Also Cutlery Direct Catalog. If you live in NYC area, you'll generally find Zabar's prices the most competative. And Bridge Kitchen Supplies have even the most obscure items (@ a premium price). I favor cast iron, enameled cast iron, All-Clad stainless steel for sauces and all things acidic, and Scanpan for non-reactive sauteeing and non-stick cooking. If you have to start somewhere go cast iron and enameled cast iron(the cheap ones) first. Oh, and a big cheap enamel speckled tin pot for pasta.

          Pete

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          Bob LoParo Sep 30, 1998 01:37 AM

          In the last year I have investigated and cooked on
          several pans. I have recently found the following pans
          absolutely necessary : Wagner Cast Iron skillet,
          All-Clad 10" Fry pan, 6 Qt All Clad sautee pan -
          replaces the need for a 3 Qt and Stock pot (I had
          limited space and $$). I have a scanpan 9 "frypan - I
          have found that the iron skillet does better omelets -
          if I had known this I would have saved $30!

          I have shopped around - Zabar's is a good choice
          in NYC - Broadway panhandler Prince and Spring ?, In
          NJ or by phone 800-272-2170 or (908) 782-1735 is a
          store in flemington, NJ where all-clad, scanpan,
          wustof trident knives among others for about 1/2 the
          price. They have a webpage, but I could not find it.
          Call them and they will tell you or they will send you
          a pamphlet with info.

          Good luck

          bob

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            Dave Feldman Sep 28, 1998 01:11 AM

            Jake,

            My strategy is to go to Zabar's and buy pieces separately. If you buy a set, you do save money IF, and it's a big if, you really want or need all the different elements in the set. But do you really need a 2-quart AND a 3-quart saucepan?

            I have to admit that I love All-Clad LTD (the nonstick is durable, too). Zabar's routinely runs terrific sales on La Creuset saucepans and casseroles. They weigh a ton and last forever. And the big Z also does carry Wagner cast-iron skillets.

            I note that despite the hyping of All-Clad and Caphalon, many chefs seem to prefer stainless steel.

            Dave

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              Steven Shaw Sep 27, 1998 07:40 AM

              For the vast majority of uses, when you consider
              price, it's hard to argue with cast-iron cookware. You
              can pick up a set of three different-sized Wagner cast-
              iron skillets at Lechter's right now for $17.99.

              My prefernece among the widely available consumer
              cookware brands is All-Clad. The company makes several
              lines of cookware, all of which are good, at various
              prices. The basic anodized aluminum with stainless
              interior--the least expensive--should do the trick.
              All-Clad makes non-stick skillets, but, for non-stick,
              I prefer Calphalon "Professional" Non-Stick.

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                Dan Sonenberg Sep 27, 1998 10:58 AM

                As far as where to buy cookware, I strongly endorse the
                housewares section upstairs at Zabars. They have a
                very good selection of pots and pans (and everything
                else) and their prices are really excellent--much
                better than Macys' The Cellar, for instance. Not sure
                how prices compare to Lechter's, but I'd be surprised
                if Lechter's selection was as big. Also Zabars carries
                a large selection of very inexpensive cast-iron
                cookware in every size imaginable. I picked up a great
                10 inch skillet for about $12.95, and the thing is
                seriously heavy enough to clock any NYC robber on the
                head with. Oh...it also cooks well--especially Tuna
                steaks!

                -Dan s.

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                  jenkalb Sep 28, 1998 11:02 AM

                  All the above are excellent recommendations -re the stainless steel preference, I have had bad experience with high-end stainless pots with a thick aluminum core only on the bottom. The pan gets extra hot - and the contents tend to stick and burn - right where the core ends and the pan side begins- just the place where it is hard to stir adequately. Two other suggestions - the thick-walled, all-aluminum calderos sold at many supermarkets, and hispanic and chinese food and 5-and-dime stores are great, cheap, relatively light multipurpose pots, with solid covers, and good for stews, curries, fried dishes, braises, etc. Second, Century 21 and other discounters, like Odd Lot (Job?) and Costco are worth checking out for mid-range non-sticks and sometimes fancier items.

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                    Jim Dixon Sep 28, 1998 04:59 PM

                    I vote for cast-iron...the best
                    hasn't been made for about 40
                    years, but you can find Griswold
                    pans (classic cast iron skillets and
                    Dutch ovens the most common, but
                    really cool cast iron waffle
                    makers, too) at second hand stores
                    and the NYC equivalent of garage
                    sales...turn the pan over and look
                    for a cross within a circle and
                    name Griswold inside that...dealers
                    know the value and may charge
                    accordingly ($15-40/pan), but
                    sometimes you get lucky.

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                  Lisa R. Sep 28, 1998 10:49 PM

                  I treasure my two Cusinart pans more than any others
                  that we have--stainless with a copper lining wedged
                  between the steels layers. Easy to clean (I put them
                  in the DW!) and conduct heat great, they are a
                  pleasure.

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