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toodie jane Jan 8, 2006 11:41 AM

There have been threads here in the past about what to look for in choosing a new stove/cookstop. I found this excellent discussion wiht some ideas not covered in past threads. I'm definitely taking my 12" skillet when looking for a new stove. Thanks to Nancy Berry for the lead to this site!

Link: http://www.rightonthemoney.org/shows/...

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    Sherri Jan 8, 2006 12:21 PM

    Loved the link that you provided, thank you. As you noted, there was a pretty good "cooktop" thread a little while ago. One poster made a comment about the importance of continuous grates and this should be shouted from the rooftops. They are wonderful! Being able to slide heavy pots around without lifting is a joy. Also having room for oddly-shaped, large bulky pieces needs to be taken into account - both what you own today and what is likely to come in the future. A 12" skillet is a great example. I took my 16" rondeau with me and insisted that it fit flat in the sink as well as not hog the cooktop space.

    In some circles, often including the non-cooking status-conscious, having a large numbers of burners is important. How many burners can you realistically watch simultaneously? Viking now makes a 12 burner residential cooktop that I expect to see in the kitchens of every red-fingernailed lady from the East to West Coast.

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      Candy Jan 8, 2006 12:48 PM

      12 is excessive but I find 5 to be just about perfect especially one burner that can obtain a real low simmer.

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        toodie jane Jan 8, 2006 09:51 PM

        yes, a simmer burner! I miss my old O'Keefe & Merritt which had little interior flames (diameter 1 1/2 " or so)which could simmer pots for hours w/o hot spots or burning! Why don't the major cooktops come this way now? or at least as an upgrade option?

        tsk tsk

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          yimster Jan 8, 2006 10:19 PM

          Our new Dacor cooktop has two simmer burners. It comes with a 18,500 BTU, 2-14,000 BTU and 2-8,000 BTU. Cost without installation was about 1,500. Plus blower and hoon and installation total cost to 4,500. Good for cooking but not cheap. The 18,500 BTU and one of the 14,000 BTU has the simmer control.

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            TorontoJo Jan 9, 2006 07:43 AM

            We just finished a total kitchen reno and we also went with a dacor cooktop and downdraft vent (the kind that pops up). Love the cooktop (our second dacor) because of the continuous grates and the simmer burners. However, I would advise against the downdraft vent. While the vent is powerful (1000 cfm), it actually creates such a draft that it pulls the flames towards it and wrecks the even heating. On the plus side, it looks really cool when it rises from the counter... :o)

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              Will Owen Jan 9, 2006 02:55 PM

              Some friends of ours have that very fancy power vent that separates grease etc. from the vented air by centrifugal force instead of sucking it through mesh. Very powerful, very quiet, works like a charm and a breeze to clean. Also really expensive, but as they were keeping their fine old Magic Chef range they didn't mind the expense.

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                BJE Feb 1, 2007 03:28 AM

                I have a similar problem with a gas stove. Our ceiling fan pulls the flame from the stovetop burners in all sorts of directions and plays havoc with the heat. I hate it!!

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            Fleur Jan 8, 2006 10:40 PM

            My THERMIDOR has four burners, two with on/off low simmer settings. The other 2 spaces are grill and griddle instead of two burners.

            I have it for 9 years, and highly recommend it.

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          Fleur Jan 8, 2006 10:38 PM

          I have a THERMIDOR I love.

          My first choice would be La Cornue, the French Rolls Royce of stoves, if it fits in your budget.

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            Will Owen Jan 9, 2006 03:06 PM

            Whatever you look at, I would urge you to avoid any Bosch cooktop. Yeah, it had all the great features, the continous grates and the knobs on one side and the two big burners and three small, and BOY was it pretty! And that old superstition about German Craftsmanship sucked us right in, too, even after years of dealing with Bosch equipment on cars...and after the repairman replaced a lot of nonfunctioning parts and got it to sort of work mostly, I figured we'd learned a $700 lesson. And now I'll keep it until we can afford that Dacor we wanted in the first place.

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              cskinla Jan 31, 2007 08:30 PM

              do you know the difference between the la cornue and the la cornue fe. has anyone used the la cornue fe?

              1. CindyJ Feb 1, 2007 06:03 AM

                I'm going to be replacing my very old Jenn-air electric cooktop with a gas cooktop, but I'm dealing with several major considerations. Now, after reading Lynn Kasper's interview, I'm more confused than ever. First of all, we have only LP gas here. Most of the gas cooktops I've looked at lose a considerable amount of BTUs when a conversion kit is used. Next, I'm really on a limited budget. My whole kitchen is seriously outdated and I'm not about to take on a whole remodeling project. We'll only be in this house for maybe 5 years more, so I just need a cooktop that will get me through that time; this is NOT a high-end kitchen remodeling job. Finally, I'm limited to a 30" cooktop because that's all the space I have to use.

                I saw the Dacor SGM304, (http://ww2.dacor.com/products/product...) and thought that would fit the bill, but now I'm uncertain. One advantage of this unit is that it's manufactured for LP at the factory, so the BTUs stated in the product literature are what you get - no conversion kit necessary. But are they enough? There's one 14,000 BTU burner, one 12,500 BTU and two 8,500 BTU. Also, I wasn't aware of the danger of raised grates until I read the Kasper piece. Now I'm thinking that this might be a dangerous design.

                Is there another 30" gas cooktop priced at under $1,000 that I should consider?

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                  amoncada Feb 1, 2007 10:48 AM

                  I have cooked on a Dacor Dual Fuel freestanding range for about 7+ years. While I love the very efficient electric oven, the electric starters for the gas burners work whenever they feel like it. Two out of four rarely ever work. This isn't good. The igniters are really sensitive to food and water splashes. For this reason I decided on a Kichen Aid (bought one at Plass in Chicago for $900, what a bargain) range for my newest kitchen. Well actually, my new Kitchen Aid stove is moving to the basement summer kitchen as soon as I finish remodeling it. I'll likely buy the 30" Wolf for the main kitchen.

                  1. jfood Feb 1, 2007 10:57 AM

                    Four years ago we looked at every LP cooktop made and chose the Viking 6-burner with downdraft. I can slide my pots/pans all over them without lifting. The simmer burner works grate and is continuour versus a model (don;t remember manufacturer) where it basically toggled on-off overy few seconds. You also have to look at the flame versus what it says on the knob when turning to med-high, med, med-low.

                    The downdraft can be quite harsh though and the people who mention it changes the direction of the flames are correct. You have to be careful as well. My first week, I cranked up the back flame, put the fan on high and watched part of the filter melt. Ouch!

                    I would buy this model again in a heartbeat, I love it, even with a few quirks.

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                      gato Feb 5, 2007 03:50 PM

                      I have a Five Star 30" convection. It is quite wonderful. Solid, straightforward and both front burners have a simmer dedicated setting. It is made by Brown Stove Works and all they make are stoves/ovens. Check their website. Good luck

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                        rootlesscosmo Feb 5, 2007 08:04 PM

                        I have a Wolf gas rangetop, four 16,000BTU/hr burners and a grill, plus Viking 1200 CFM hood. All this ran about $3500 three years ago and I'm totally satisfied.

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