275495 Sun Dec 19 09:03:03 -0800 2004 10 31 Home Cooking 0 1451346 For my buche de noel, I need cream for the filling and to make the ganache. I was thinking of using Ronnybrook Dairy non-ultra pasteurized cream (40% butterfat) for whipping and for the ganache. Is this a good idea? Should I be aware of any potential difficulties? (I usually use cream for the supermarket.) Thanks Sun Dec 19 09:03:03 -0800 2004 0 Nancy 1 1451348 The non-ultrapasturized will taste better. It is too bad we cannot form a national boycott of all ultrapasturized whipping cream. Sun Dec 19 09:10:33 -0800 2004 1451346 0 Candy 2 1451407 I would definitely join that boycott! It infuriates me that non-ultra pasturized can be difficult to find sometimes. Sun Dec 19 22:04:47 -0800 2004 1451348 0 bacchante 1 1451361 Be aware that this cream, in addition to tasting better, spoils much more quickly than cream that's been ultrapasteurized, so don't buy it too far ahead of time. Link: http://meglioranza.com Sun Dec 19 13:57:15 -0800 2004 1451346 0 Tom Meg 2 1451372 Thanks for the advice. I plan to buy it at Union Square Market on Saturday to use on Friday. Sound OK? Sun Dec 19 16:23:24 -0800 2004 1451361 0 Nancy 3 1451432 Six days? Hmm. Why not buy it at, say, Fairway or Whole Foods on Thursday? Link: http://tomness.blogspot.com Mon Dec 20 01:43:46 -0800 2004 1451372 0 Tom Meg 4 1451442 My plan is to buy it at the farmer's market this wednesday to use two days later on Friday. I have been under the impression that the milk and cream products are just a bit fresher at the farmer's market. However, I'm not at all sure. Mon Dec 20 08:10:53 -0800 2004 1451432 0 Nancy 5 1451536 I just happened to read about creating your own non-ultra pasturized cream in an old Gourmet magazine - it involves using pasturized heavy cream and melted butter to create what the Cake Bible calls "real old fashioned whipped cream". One caveat given is that if the cake in which it will be used will be out at room temperature for more than 30 minutes, one should stabilize the cream w/ gelatin as the recipe will soften too much. Don't know if this concern also applies to non-ultra pasturized cream, but thought it worth mentioning. Mon Dec 20 14:58:09 -0800 2004 1451442 0 MMRuth@hotmail.com 6 1451551 That sounds weird to me. Adding butter and gelatin to ultrapasteurized cream makes it non-ultrapasteurized?? Link: http://tomness.blogspot.com Mon Dec 20 15:55:50 -0800 2004 1451536 0 Tom Meg 7 1451553 I don't think it makes it "non ultra pasturized", but from what I read I gathered that there has been a deterioration in the quality of heavy cream, and that adding butter increases the percentage of butter fat back to 40%. Gourmet, December 1994. Mon Dec 20 15:59:33 -0800 2004 1451551 0 MMRuth 1 1451412 I prefer the non-ultra pasteurized stuff when I make ganache. However, I have to go to a particular store to get it (Smart & Final), and I often don't have time to make a special trip, so I make due with ultra-pasteurized, because that's the only kind most stores carry. As the other posters said, non-ultra will spoil more quickly. If you have any leftover ganache, you can freeze it. You can also freeze leftover heavy cream, but once frozen, the molecular structure changes and you will not be able to thaw and whip it into cream nor will you be able to make emulsions with it (such as custards). However, I've used thawed whipping cream to make ganache, and it is fine. I've also used it in hot cocoa, and as a finishing ingredient in savory dishes. Just remember it will pick up freezer smells, so you have to take extra care in wrapping it. Freeze it flat in heavy-duty quart size freezer bags (leave room for exapansion!), and once frozen, double-bag it in a larger ziploc. Sun Dec 19 22:48:31 -0800 2004 1451346 0 La Dolce Vita