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Question: Chalav Yisrael VS. Not

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Tina Nov 13, 2003 09:20 AM

I was recently talking with a few classmates in my grad class about food, we're taking an American Jewish hist. class about material culture and we started to talk about food. Some people said that Chalav Yisrael ice cream, i.e. Klein's, is not as good as their non-Chalav Yisrael counterparts. Is there any good reason for this?

Also, do you find out of all the pareve Ice Cream-like frozen desserts that Tofutti is the best? I've recently tried IQ and a Klein's chocolate roll cake with vanilla non-dairy frozen dessert. I've been known to partake in Tofutti in an ice cream cone.

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    uncle moishy Nov 13, 2003 12:54 PM

    I don't think there's any real difference between chalav yisrael and non-cy milk. If Klein's ice cream isn't as good as certain others, it's probably due to factors other than the milk: % of fat, air content, quality of the flavorings, etc.

    As for tofutti vs. other ice-cream imitators, I can't offer much since I generally stick to sorbet when I want pareve, and that isn't the same thing. Coincidentally, I had some chocolate tofutti for the first time the other day. It was pretty good, but I don't know enough to compare it to alternatives.

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      uncle moishy Nov 13, 2003 12:55 PM

      I don't think there's any real difference between chalav yisrael and non-cy milk. If Klein's ice cream isn't as good as certain others, it's probably due to factors other than the milk: % of fat, air content, quality of the flavorings, etc.

      As for tofutti vs. other ice-cream imitators, I can't offer much since I generally stick to sorbet when I want pareve, and that isn't the same thing. Coincidentally, I had some chocolate tofutti for the first time the other day. It was pretty good, but I don't know enough to compare it to alternatives.

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        Beerhound Nov 13, 2003 04:26 PM

        I have noticed one big difference between cholov yisroel (CY) and non-CY milk - CY spoils a lot faster. I'm not sure why this is the case, as the CY milk doesn't come from much further distances than the non-CY milk.

        That said, I think Klein's is a bad example of what CY ice cream can be. I'm not sure whether there is a pre-packaged CY brand that compares favorably with the non-CY brands, but the soft-serve CY ice cream that I've had is always indistinguishable from non-CY.

        As a last note, you miht want to check out the CY Carvel noted in a separate thread below.

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          AndeB Nov 13, 2003 10:31 PM

          We've also noticed how quickly the CY milk spoils. This is something that has puzzled a lot of us, but no one knows why.

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            hanistor Nov 19, 2003 12:06 PM

            There is a very simple reason that CY milk (and cream cheese, etc.) spoils so quickly. It is because of the poor way it is handled when it is transported to the stores. I know for a fact that when the CY milk is delivered to our local kosher store (5 - 6 AM), the deliverman has a key to the store and just leaves the milk in the store OUTSIDE THE REFRIGERATED CASE. It then stands around for 2 - 3 hours before it is put into the refrigerated case. Now, I have no proof that the trucks that it is delivered in is inferior in any way than non-CY trucks but you would have to think so. The people at our store tell us that it is amazing how much spoiled milk is returned. What an outrage! CY milk spoils 7 - 10 days before the expiration date! Non-CY companies could never get away with this. The stores would just switch to a different non-CY company. But the CY companies have a (near) monopoly. What do they care!

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              M. M. Dec 3, 2003 05:47 AM

              Do you live in the same town I do? We have _exactly_ the same problem... milk delivered to the local butcher shop @ 6:00am, owner arrives at 9:00am, brings it inside. Not so so so terrible in the winter... but in the summer months?!

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