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jane Apr 18, 2003 04:49 PM

After 10 years as a vegetarian, I'm eating meat again, but not comfortably. A posting to another message board got the suggestion that kosher organic meat mught be what I'm looking for. Does anyone know if there's a NYC source of "free-range" (= room to move around even if not outdoors) chicken, lamb, maybe beef, that's not shipped to market or slaughter--all done on the farm and with minimal terror at the end? Organic would be nice, but not essential for me. No luck so far on the web.

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    ganeden Dec 17, 2013 06:25 AM

    I hadn't noticed that this was a very old thread until after I had answered, but there's always room for discussion: Ok, so under normal circumstances, kosher is not important to you, but you have the feeling that kosher meat is raised more humanely? Yes and no. Judaism has always had binding laws against inhumane treatment of animals, but they differ for modern ideas of what constitutes humane treatment. However, it is in the context of what the animal will be used for. One could always find kosher veal, but a Jew would be prohibited from raising veal the way the old veal mills raised them, and indeed, real white veal would be a rarity if found at all. Animals must be fed, and not live in abject filth. On the other hand, overfeading, as in the case of modern foie gras production, would be allowed, though it could result in an animal the health of which is compromised.

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      ferret Dec 17, 2013 10:51 AM

      Foie gras is a hinky area in that people can't envision being in that situation themselves without discomfort but its unclear as to whether the process itself is inhumane. You can certainly find Kosher-certified foie gras in France and there's no halachic prohibition on raising geese that way.

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      Raffles Dec 17, 2013 06:01 AM

      http://www.beartownfarm.com/index.php

      Chip and Veronica do mail order...

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        GilaB Dec 17, 2013 06:27 AM

        I'm sure their meat is wonderful, but it isn't kosher.

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        frankiemay Dec 16, 2013 07:22 PM

        I would suggest that you do as I just did, and research online humanely raised and slaughtered Kosher chickens. There are strict Kosher laws to be followed in the killing of all animals for human consumption. I found a lot of sites and they were very interesting. I wish you luck in your quest and hope you find out what you need to know. I am borderline Vegetarian which probably doesn't make much sense but I love animals and am slowly (in my old age) giving up a lot of animal meat. I am bordering now on chicken but love to make a nice matzo ball soup at Passover.

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          shoelace Dec 16, 2013 08:59 PM

          look in to http://growandbehold.com/

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            queenscook Dec 16, 2013 10:19 PM

            You know, don't you, that this question was asked close to 11 years ago. It doesn't even look like the OP is still posting on CH (her name is grayed out and not clickable).

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              shoelace Dec 17, 2013 02:55 AM

              lol oops

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            RachelMolly Apr 20, 2003 07:45 PM

            If you call Wise Poultry you can find out where to get organic chicken and turkey. I tried emailing once and got no response, but if you call them, they'll tell you where to buy.

            Link: http://www.wisekosher.com/

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              Sharon Jun 11, 2003 12:35 PM

              Try www.kosherbison.com. It's pretty expensive, especially for me (Canadian) but all the Bison are free-range, happy critters. My friends tell me it is superb quality, and you can stock your freezer for the whole year.

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                lintsao Jun 11, 2003 02:25 PM

                There's a poster for organic free-range kosher chickens, and I'm pretty sure it's this brand, in the window of the new glatt kosher butcher on Grand Street between Pitt & Columbia. I went in to look at them and found they are $12-$13 for a bird. They come frozen. That particular day I wasn't into a getting a $12 chicken, but it seems like a good thing -- I will try them sometime.

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