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are macaroons kosher for passover?

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ep Mar 27, 2002 09:30 AM

My recipe uses egg whites, which act as a leavening agent. Is this still kosher for passover?

thanks.

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    Stephanie L. Mar 27, 2002 12:58 PM

    Yes, all parts of the egg are kosher for Passover. You'll find a lot of Passover recipes out there containing egg whites.

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      ep Mar 27, 2002 01:29 PM

      Thank you! I'm very ignorant about these things, but wanted to bring in some macaroons that everyone in the office could have. I know that purists won't eat them anyway, because I haven't sterilized all my dishes, etc., but I wanted to do my best.

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        Moshe Horowitz Oct 9, 2002 04:30 PM

        It is not about being a "purist" is is a matter of following the rules by the rule book. That is what makes us differen from all other peoples as we are the "chosen people." we accepted these laws upon ourselves.
        Since you stated you don't know everything, it is a good idea to make sure you don't get any egg shells in the batter as there could be grain granules on the shells making your batter "chometz." You do what chometz; don't you?

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          xavier Oct 9, 2002 11:55 PM

          Which rules in which rule book??? There seems to be disagreement even among the dozens of certification agencies about what is proper and improper....

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            Moshe Horowitz Oct 13, 2002 06:27 AM

            All the certification agencies that I am aware of have the same standards where it comes to "egg whites." The only thing I mentioned was cleaning off the shells away from the food preparation area as the chickens are fed grains and the grains could still be stuck to the outer shell of the eggs. I am refering to farm eggs.

            Pesach is a very touchy holiday. People that don't or minimally observe go crazy trying to observe this holiday correctly. One should preferably cook their meals in their own houses where hopefully scrutiny is maintained.

            In Israel, there are two HIGHLY respected kashrut organizations that certify products as kosher for year round use. It is so printed on the cans in Hebrew. There is a very large kashrut organization located in Manhattan that has placed its' symbol with a capital "P" (Passover designation) on these same cans at the bottom somewhat hidden. Are these products Kosher for Passover? Absolutely not!!!! This is the same organization that allowed its' symbol to be attached to kosher gelatin that was made from kosher slaughtered animals against the advisement of very big rabbis.

            If you see products with a Chug Chatam Sofer(Bnei Brak), Eida HaCharadit, B'Datz MeHadrin, B'Datz Bet Yosef, Nevay Tzion, Sheareet Yisrael, Machazekay Hadaat, Rabbi Moshe Yehuda Landau -these are VERY reliable supervisions.

            Please realize that people from Sephardic countries have different customs in eating things that the " Ashkenazic rabbis" have outlawed for the Ashkenazic populace. Some groups eat rice but it has been checked 3 times so as not to detect any form of other grain within. Moroccans do not eat rice on Pesach.

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              Zev Sero Oct 16, 2002 06:24 PM

              > it is a good idea to make sure you don't get any egg
              > shells in the batter as there could be grain
              > granules on the shells making your batter "chometz."

              Alternatively, you could just wash the eggs really well
              before cracking them.

              > In Israel [...] a very large kashrut organization
              > located in Manhattan that has placed its' symbol
              > with a capital "P" (Passover designation) on these
              > same cans at the bottom somewhat hidden. Are these
              > products Kosher for Passover? Absolutely not!!!!

              That's a rather sweeping statement. Do you have any
              basis for it? That large organisation (I assume you're
              referring to the OU) thinks the products are kosher for
              Pesach, and stakes its reputation on saying so; why do
              you think it's wrong?


              > This is the same organization that allowed its'
              > symbol to be attached to kosher gelatin that was
              > made from kosher slaughtered animals against the
              > advisement of very big rabbis.

              Er, which ones, exactly? I've never heard of any such
              advice given them. What was its basis?

              But since you mention the subject of gelatin, you are
              aware, are you not, that the consensus of rabbinic
              opinion in Israel, including many of the major
              certifiers, is to allow all gelatin, no matter what
              its origin; and that it's the USAn kosher orgs,
              particularly the OU, that insist on the stricter
              opinion that bans most gelatin?

              > Sheareet Yisrael [...] these are VERY reliable
              > supervisions.

              Very funny. If this is your standard then I'd advise
              people not to take your opinions on kashrut very
              seriously. In what universe is She'erit Yisrael more
              reliable than the OU? Or, for that matter, than stock
              standard `rabbanut'?

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                Moshe Horowitz Oct 17, 2002 04:45 PM

                Everyone wants to be a Chacham!!!

                > it is a good idea to make sure you don't get any egg
                > shells in the batter as there could be grain
                > granules on the shells making your batter "chometz."

                SERO: Alternatively, you could just wash the eggs really well before cracking them.

                HOROWITZ: What Sero has forgotten is that we are now dealing with a "PASSOVER" kitchen and he has also forgotten the laws dealing with chometz. He hasn't studied the Shulchan Aruch or the Mishna Berura. One bit of chometz blows the whole kitchen. Quick to burn but you don't know how to use matches.

                > In Israel [...] a very large kashrut organization
                > located in Manhattan that has placed its' symbol
                > with a capital "P" (Passover designation) on these
                > same cans at the bottom somewhat hidden. Are these
                > products Kosher for Passover? Absolutely not!!!!

                SERO::: That's a rather sweeping statement. Do you have any basis for it? That large organisation (I assume you're referring to the OU) thinks the products are kosher for Pesach, and stakes its reputation on saying so; why do you think it's wrong?

                HOROWITZ: Sero keeps forgetting he as well as the infamous OU is in the U.S. and has NO RECOGNIZED AUTHORITATIVE RABBI in Israel. Rabbis Rubin & Kook (extremely well recognized for their meticulous supervision) have removed all of their association from the OU as there is a lack of MeHadrin(meticulous kashrut) standards which the OU is not interested in keeping.
                Sero ::::: doesn't live in Israel and unlikely that he has been there for any great length of time within the last few years, picks up his news via his friends or the media.
                Taxation without Representation: why should the OU get paid for stating they are in Israel when they aren't. The OU relies on leniencies in Halacha. They also rely on other agencies supervision and jsut slap their symbol and charge you more as you are ignorant of what are the good agencies in Israel.

                You have respected kashrut organizations based 365 days a year in Israel that state the product is kosher for year round and you have an American based group that says it is okay to use for Passover. Who you going to trust a long distance or an on-premises? You have the gaul and audacity to challenge the likes of the Eida HaCharedit and B'Datz MeHadrin? Doubt you have ever been to a slaughtering facility for that matter it is unlikely that you have been in any food manufacturing facility and that includes your mother's kitchen. I guess you know the Shulchan Aruch backwards and forwards? UNLIKELY.

                > This is the same organization that allowed its'
                > symbol to be attached to kosher gelatin that was
                > made from kosher slaughtered animals against the
                > advisement of very big rabbis.

                SERO::: Er, which ones, exactly? I've never heard of any such advice given them. What was its basis?

                But since you mention the subject of gelatin, you are
                aware, are you not, that the consensus of rabbinic
                opinion in Israel, including many of the major
                certifiers, is to allow all gelatin, no matter what
                its origin; and that it's the USAn kosher orgs,
                particularly the OU, that insist on the stricter
                opinion that bans most gelatin.

                HOROWITZ: Since Sero lacks the initiative to do research, let me explain: Cross Bros. once located in Philadelphia, Penssylvania had the largest beef slaughtering house on the East Coast. They have hence closed due to union problems; sound familiar?

                At this plant they would strip the meat off the bones and ship all kosher killed (none kosher and I am not refering to glatt or not glatt but not kosher were shipped to a different area of the plant). Kind & Knox now located in Iowa was located in Camden, New Jersey. There the bones and hides were put through chemical baths plus - but then again Mr. Sero knew all about this; right Mr. Sero?

                There was a major conflict in Israel regarding gelatin for many years in the past as they again were using leniencies, the major agencies such as Eida HaCharedit, Machazekei Hadat, Rav Landau - DID NOT approve of the use of this gelatin. Most of it coming in from of all places Germany. Did you know that Mr. Sero?

                The OU gave supervision to Barton's Chocolates and others for many years(1950 +) and the gelatin came from the Kind & Knox plant in New Jersey.

                The beef gelatin that had been made in Israel was not authorized by the OU-Israel rabbis nor by the other rabbinic authorities in Israel. The rabbi(part owner) who was involved with this production is a Lakewood person involved then and now with KCL (Kashrut Council - Lakewood). There is a bigger problem, as he has a vested interest which is a major kashrut problem plus there were procedural problems (all documented).

                Diversing a bit - all of the Osem and Telma products(produced in Israel) under the OU are not MeHadrin and should be noted as such. Those that are exacting, which doesn't sound like you are are Mr. Sero, are not used by the truly observant Torah community in Israel.

                > Sheareet Yisrael [...] these are VERY reliable
                > supervisions.

                SERO:::::: Very funny. If this is your standard then I'd advise people not to take your opinions on kashrut very seriously. In what universe is She'erit Yisrael more reliable than the OU? Or, for that matter, than stock standard `rabbanut'?

                HOROWITZ: I find it offensive when other people try to put words in my mouth or quote statements that were never made by me.
                I never refered to Shearit Yisrael in any of my statements but since you brought them up I will make a statement to those that are carefully listening to my discussion. Rav Shach, zt"l was the directive behind Shearit Yisrael. When you start making accusations against an organization back by one of the Gedolei Yisrael, you had better make sure you have documentation to back yourself up. Again you are thowing stones and know nothing and I mean nothing of what is going on in Israel. Your sitting most likely in New York stuffing your face with some Empire bologna sandwich and you know what is going on in the inside of their local kashrut; right? Wrong. I am in touch by phone twice to three times a day with friends and business acquatances in Israel.

                Why don't you further embarass yourself by telling us how you know that much about Shearit Yisrael; were you employed by them and they fired you as you knew nothing about Halacha?

                Shearit Yisrael has just worked out a deal with a tuna fish processing plant in Thailand where each fish will be inspected individually so there are no questions regarding the mixing of other fish. This was a big problem and still exists with StarKist. Ask Rabbi Dr. Moshe Tendler. The Eida HaCharedit gives a supervision specific to their supervision which is Bishul Yisrael and on some cans you can see a tiny ou, also StarKist but special runs; why?

                If you look at Kedem in the U.S. it has an OU, in Israel it is called GEULA and only has an Eida HaCharedit on it; why? What is with "your" holy or not so-holy as the case is o.u.?

                Read my lips - Torah observant people when they go to Israel live on a higher spiritual level and need food that is equally on that level and they don't eat o.u. - plain and very simple.

                When one speaks against Chachmei Yisrael the punishment is quite grave.

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