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OLLIEDEAN Mar 13, 2002 02:16 PM

I know this sounds stupid but would like to have an answer anyway, if someone doesn't mind. We were discussing Kosher during work today and the question came up about Kosher Pickles. What is a Kosher Pickle and what is the difference between it and a Dill Pickle. Believe it or not I can't find the answer on the net. There are plenty of sites that give recipes or places where you can purchase them and so on. But we would like to know "What is Kosher, in a Kosher Pickle?" Thanks and forgive our stupidity!!! If you don't mind it would be great to get an answer by email
carmodf@nmcourts.com

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    arifree May 22, 2012 07:51 PM

    With regard to 'kosher' pickles, the word 'Kosher' simply means Jewish style and has nothing to do with Jewish law. This style of pickle is made with salt dill and garlic and no vinegar or sugar. So how does it turn sour if there's no vinegar? The salt leaches out the natural sugar of the cucumber which ferments and turns into lactic acid, which tastes different than the acetic acid of vinegar.
    Israeli pickles are just as Jewish as the so-called kosher ones but they are made with vinegar along with the salt, garlic and dill. Most other pickles also add sugar but there's nothing unkosher about sugar. For example, Vlasic pickles are Polish pickles and they are also kosher certified.

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    1. re: arifree
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      craigcep May 23, 2012 06:24 AM

      I don't know why you revisited an 8 year old topic, but I'll add another point. "Kosher pickes" have to be kosher under consumer protection laws. In most states, you cannot call a product "kosher" without it actually being kosher. We can debate standards, but it is pretty much fraud to call a product "kosher" when it isn't. The work-around is to call a product Kosher-style or Jewish-style or even New York-style.

      Kosher pickles, much like kosher salt, refers to a specific pickling technique. Nonetheless, the product must be kosher.

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      donald s musickant Apr 22, 2004 10:47 AM

      I believe that "kosher" in reference to pickle recipes simply is a term that indicates the recipe is one for pickles as they were made in Jewish Delis and Jewish households. It is not meant to be taken literally.

      Since the practice of Orthodoxy was common in Eastern Europe in the 19th and early to mid 2oth Century where "dill pickles" were "born", one can assume that pickles may have been put up prior to the Sabbath and in a home that was observant viz a viz the dietary laws.

      One thing is for certain. All those commercial pickles offered either in jars or sold bulk that contain sodium benzoate and/or calcium chloride should be condemned and outlawed. Most of America have grown up conditioned on the chemical taste of pickles which they think is the "normal" flavor. To those of us lucky enough to have eaten the real Mccoy, the others are considered garbage.

      D.S. Musickant

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        The Rogue Mar 13, 2002 05:44 PM

        Rabbi Eliezer Eidlitz in his online book Kosher Quest says:
        PICKLES - Require supervision. Common problem: turmeric, flavoring, non-kosher equipment. Note: government standards regarding the term "kosher pickle" merely require that they contain garlic, and then they are permitted by law to be called "kosher pickle"
        http://www.kosherquest.org/bookhtml/G...

        Mt. Olive Pickles Brand Pickles says:
        Q: What is a ‘kosher pickle?’
        A: The word "kosher" itself is derived from Hebrew and actually means "religiously clean." Today, however, for many people "kosher" has come to mean that garlic flavor has been added. Mt. Olive's pickles are both kosher and kosher: our kosher dills are not only garlic flavored, but they are also religiously clean. In fact, all but two of our products, Jalapeno Peppers and Pepperoncini, have the approval of the Jewish Orthodox Congregations of America and carry the widely recognized U symbol of approval.

        The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
        Kosher Pickle-
        NOUN: A pickled cucumber flavored with garlic.
        ETYMOLOGY: From its use in kosher delicatessens.

        The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
        Kosher
        VARIANT FORMS: also ka·sher (kä-)
        ADJECTIVE: 1. Judaism a. Conforming to dietary laws; ritually pure: kosher meat. b. Selling or serving food prepared in accordance with dietary laws: a kosher restaurant. 2. Slang a. Legitimate; permissible: “consolidating noneditorial functions of the papers, which is kosher” (Christian Science Monitor). b. Genuine; authentic.
        TRANSITIVE VERB:Inflected forms: ko·shered, ko·sher·ing, ko·shers
        To make proper or ritually pure.
        ETYMOLOGY: Yiddish kosher, from Ashkenazi Hebrew kóer, from Hebrew kr, fitting, proper, from kr, to be fitting, to succeed.

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          James Byrd May 31, 2002 07:55 PM

          How do you get kosher meat and pickles, my friend says a rabbi blesses them which makes them kosher . Is this what you call religously clean . The reason I`m asking is my brother-in-law is Jewish and I want to learn more about Jews and their religion. Thanks J Byrd

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            Zev Sero Jul 8, 2002 09:23 PM

            Nope, no blessing is involved (well, there is a
            blessing involved in the slaughter of animals, but
            the meat is just as kosher if the blessing was omitted)

            For a pickle to be kosher, basically all that's
            required is to make sure that none of the ingredients
            are animal-derived (or if they are they've been checked
            out), and the barrels or vats or whatever they're
            pickled in haven't been used for unkosher things
            before.

            Meat is more complicated - it's got to be a kosher
            animal (e.g. cow, sheep, goat, deer, bison, giraffe,
            chicken, turkey, duck, goose), it's got to be
            slaughtered properly by an expert slaughterer, the
            lungs and internal organs have to be inspected for
            signs of disease, certain fats and other parts have
            to be removed, and then the blood has to be extracted
            by salting. Basically, kosher meat is what you buy
            from a kosher butcher; there is no way that meat from
            an ordinary butcher is going to be kosher.

            1. re: James Byrd
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              janice gasparri Sep 25, 2002 10:27 AM

              i need a receipe for pickling pickles. kosher style. thanks jan

              1. re: janice gasparri
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                Nancy Berry Sep 25, 2002 12:08 PM

                There's a very good recipe for real kosher brined dill pickles (NO vinegar!) from Mimi Sheraton's book, My Mother's Kitchen: Recipes & Reminiscences, at the link below:

                Link: http://www.jewish-food.org/recipes/ko...

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                Vi Dopman Jun 10, 2003 05:30 PM

                Trying to find e-mail or even snail mail address for
                Gus' Kosher pickles. Are any sold or delivered in the
                L.A. or nearby area?

                What is local address for Gus in NYC. I have seen various city or boro addresses mentioned.

                Thanks for your help

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                  DebbyT May 23, 2012 07:57 AM

                  Just saw this, wow...9 years old...GUSS is spelled with two "S's". Not even sure if they still exist...

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                    berel May 23, 2012 08:11 AM

                    I think they only sell wholesale to supermarkets etc. now since they closed up in Cedarhurst

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