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  <id>270265</id>
  <title>Seeking a restaurant or stand candidly serving horse meat?</title>
  <published_at>Thu Jan 09 23:47:00 -0800 2003</published_at>
  <post_count>16</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>17</id>
    <name>What's My Craving?</name>
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    <post>
      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>1423883</id>
        <content>Seriously.  Proved to be an elusive quest on my last couple of visits to NYC.  Maybe I&#226;&#8364;&#8482;ll have better luck if I keep looking in Alaska; some said its illegal, others tried sending me to Long Island (near a track?). 
 
Alternatively, I would be happy to learn of an open-minded butcher.  
 
Cheers,  
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        <published_at>Thu Jan 09 23:47:00 -0800 2003</published_at>
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        <user>
          <id>0</id>
          <name>Nanook</name>
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      </post>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1423884</id>
      <content>I ate plenty of yummy horse and donkey in Italy. not here though...maybe try arthur avenue?</content>
      <published_at>Fri Jan 10 01:46:52 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423883</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>adam</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>1426752</id>
      <content>IMO I know I would never eat horse meat, it cannot be a healthy choice. I have horses and know what kind of chemicals are put in and on them. This has to be in the meat. Wormers to fly sprays all say on the package "do not use on horses intended for food". Not to mention the West Nile virus that is going around. 
The USDA inspectors at the plants, I have been told can only inspect 9 out of 10 horses and they are only visually inspecting for West Nile. How can you visually test for West Nile? As of right now the EU has banned beef with hormones from the United States coming into the EU. I know hormones are given to horses especially to race horses. YUCK!!!!!</content>
      <published_at>Mon Oct 27 23:10:56 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423884</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>simon</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1423888</id>
      <content>In France there are still butchers who sell the treat, they are called Chevalline (spell check needed). Good luck.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Jan 10 11:25:49 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423883</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Ivan Stoler</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>1423891</id>
      <content>i remember hearing about it making a come-back on the continent because of the mad cow disease scare...</content>
      <published_at>Fri Jan 10 16:14:06 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423888</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>epicure-us</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>1423904</id>
      <content>On my last trip (October in Nice) I didn't see any lines at the horse butcher shop in the old city. Most people seem to titter a bit when you ask them about it. Though a couple of years back in Helsinki I bought some Horse meat cold cuts @ Stockmans. When I asked the young girl behind the counter what the meat was she also laughed. No, it didn't tast very different from any other color cut that was smoked.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 13 11:03:52 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423891</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Ivan Stoler</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>1423933</id>
      <content>If you go to Japan, I hear it's possible to get pony sushi. The person I know who ate it said he liked it.
I can't imagine eating it myself.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 13 23:26:00 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423904</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Christopher</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>1423940</id>
      <content>I have heard of Turkey Sushi but pony, wow! Now if we could only screw up Budweiser and have Clydesdale Sushi or at least free those poor horses from a life of shilling for malt base piss water then I'd believe in truth, justice + the American way!</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 14 10:09:16 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423933</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Ivan Stoler</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>6</level>
      <id>1424011</id>
      <content>The reference is to 'Sakura' ... see link.
If this item were offered here it would probably be polo pony.

Link: http://rgmjapan.tripod.com/MEATSUSHI.html</content>
      <published_at>Sun Jan 19 10:04:16 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423940</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>DillStifle</name>
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    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>1423942</id>
      <content>that sounds pretty gross. the last time I heard of anyone serving Horse in America was a Italian Restaraunt in San Francisco called Caffe Macaroni, at least four years ago. </content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 14 10:28:34 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423933</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>SLAP</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>1423907</id>
      <content>Absolutely. Here in France, younger people who'd never eaten horsemeat before have tried it now as an alternative to beef after the big mad cow scare here a couple of years ago.
 
Yes, there are horse butchers but you can find it at any of the bigger supermarkets all around Paris. It's no big deal.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 13 13:17:44 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423891</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Louisa Chu</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>1423978</id>
      <content>A restaurant named "Entrecote" in downtown Bordeaux, France, has "RossBiff" (spelled like that) on their menu. I've been told by the locals that it is horse meat, and is the prefered name used by cooks for horse meat.
 
Any truth to that?</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 15 20:23:30 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423907</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Suu Quan</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>1423981</id>
      <content>In French, the phrase "du roast beef" means "roast beef."  The English "roast beef" comes from the old French "rosti buef."  The French re-borrowed it as "du roast beef," pronounced "du rose biif."  I think your "rossbiff" is a spelling variation of that.  When I lived in France, I never heard of "roast beef" as referring to horse meat, only to beef (although I can't speak for the chefs of Bordeaux).</content>
      <published_at>Wed Jan 15 22:14:46 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423978</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>lanseaux</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1423910</id>
      <content>Many restaurants in Verona Italy specialize in horse meat but as adventerous as I am (ants, grasshoppers, spleen, all kinds of organ meat etc) I can't bring myself to eat horse - its one of those emotional things. The better guides to northern Italy (like Fred Plotkins) lists some of these restaurants. Can I ask why the craving???</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 13 14:40:47 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423883</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Faren</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1423944</id>
      <content>Don't eat my brothers and sisters!
 
MrEd and Wilbur</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 14 10:54:52 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423883</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>MrEd</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1423960</id>
      <content>I'm quite surprised by most of the responses here. Horse meat sure isn't common in the states, but I don't see why people who eat beef or pork would find it objectionable. Perhaps the majority view it is as a pet or recreational animal? I like horses as much as I like lambs and deer, and find it more heinous to eat foie gras from tortured ducks.
 
Anyway, horse meat is known as cheval in France. I don't see why it should be illegal here, as there are slaughterhouses that cater to foreign markets. Even so, judging from fellow chowhounders there is probably little demand for the stuff. Also, I think there is/was a European ban on importing horse meat from the U.S.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 14 15:41:27 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423883</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>1,2,3</name>
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    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1423961</id>
      <content>They have it at Balthasar on Spring Street. Not as a steak, but under "Burgers" they have "Cheval" in addition to beef burgers.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 14 17:14:59 -0800 2003</published_at>
      <parent_id>1423883</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Agnes Gooch</name>
      </user>
    </post>
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