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Simon Majumdar May 20, 2001 03:24 AM

Since I have been rattling on about this pub in The white Horse thread, I thought you may want to have a look at their small web site

Yesterday I went there and they had

Woolf in Sheep's Clothing - mild
Mausdon's Sulffolk Pride - Bitter
PG Steam Ale
Kentish Cider
Cockerhooper - Bitter
Adnams
Sweet William East London - Mild

Can't remember the others as I had one each of the above and am now going back to bed to spend a lazy Sunday feeling "indisposed"

I would love to know what the Jim's ( Leff and Dorsch ) think of their selection

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Link: http://www.wenlock-arms.co.uk/

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    Jim Dorsch RE: Simon Majumdar May 20, 2001 06:35 PM

    I don't have great knowledge of British beer brands, so I can't comment on the specific beers, but it's nice to see a couple of milds in the selection.

    The great thing about British beers is the low alcohol content. American beers (except for light beers) start at about 1.050 and go up from there.

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      yvonne johnson RE: Jim Dorsch May 20, 2001 10:54 PM

      "The great thing about British beers is the low alcohol content. American beers (except for light beers) start at about 1.050 and go up from there."

      this is not my experience. i'd be really interested in the literature on this. can you point me to a source? thanks

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        Jim Dorsch RE: yvonne johnson May 21, 2001 06:18 AM

        In the Running Press Pocket Guide to Beer, Michael Jackson writes, "The most popular Bitters are modest in alcohol, because they are consumed by the pint over long evenings in the pub. ... Many maintain their complex flavours while being lighter in body, alcohol--and calories--than a typical lager."

        For a long time British beer has been taxed on the basis of alcohol content or original gravity, which is closely related to alcohol content. Hence, the brewers tend to produce beers of modest alcohol content.

        For more information see Michael Jackson's Beer Companion. You might find some information on this subject at his web site as well.

        Link: http://www.beerhunter.com

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          yvonne johnson RE: Jim Dorsch May 21, 2001 12:23 PM

          thanks for the link. interesting site. i still have a question tho about the characterization of british beers being low-modest in alcohol content. yes, regular bitter i guess is relatively low: 3.75 -4% alcohol per volume (and i'd hazard a guess that this is higher than the popular lagers and beers in USA, i've noticed some companies don't even say on the label what the content is, probably too embarrassed. out of curiousity, do you happen to know what the content of a bud or a coors is?)
          but british beer includes so much more
          special bitters 4.4-7.5,
          extra special bitter 5.5
          Fullers 5.3
          St peters 6.5
          Scotch ale 3.4-4.5
          Scottish Tanquair House=10 ("delicious and sustaining"!)
          (figures taken from Jackson's site)

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            Jim Dorsch RE: yvonne johnson May 21, 2001 01:32 PM

            Until fairly recently it was illegal to disclose alcohol content on a beer package in the US, while it was required for beer and wine. Go figure. That's why you often don't see alcohol quoted.

            While there are certainly higher-strength beers in the UK, the typical stuff consumed in pubs is nonetheless rather modest in alcohol. To answer your other question, a typical US lager beer is 5% or a shade less.

            I was pub crawling one day with Mark Dorber, who runs Simon's favorite pub, the White Horse. I ordered a 5% beer and he thought I was crazy to have a beer with that much alcohol, as we'd be drinking several more. He recommended I stick with the regular beers that were probably 3.5%. I think this is the typical attitude, particularly when one is going to be spending several hours drinking pints.

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              yvonne johnson RE: Jim Dorsch May 21, 2001 02:27 PM

              one night at the Lamb (conduit st, london) i drank a couple of pints of youngs special--it might've been extra special--glad i didn't stick to that all night. the result would've been a woman behaving very badly.

              i was a bit surprised at the 5% for typical lager beer in US. mind you it's been ages since i've tried a bud, coors or pabst tho i'd have placed them in 1 to 2 range!

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                Jim Dorsch RE: yvonne johnson May 21, 2001 09:59 PM

                Yes, the Youngs Special London is a wonderful beer, but a bit powerful for a long session! It's sold in bottle-conditioned form in the US as Youngs SLA.

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                  ross wenlock RE: yvonne johnson Jul 24, 2001 05:04 AM

                  as you can see my surname is Wenlock. What do you think the chances of a free pint are??

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                  tj RE: Jim Dorsch May 23, 2001 07:13 AM

                  One of the factors underlying the distinction in alcohol contents between the U.S. and England, is that lagers in general contain a higher alcohol content than bitters or many stouts (i.e. Budweiser contains about 1.5% more alcohol than a guinness, at least in the U.S.). To the extent that bitters are the beer of choice in the U.K., the beers sold in the U.K. are generally lower in alcohol content. However, to the extent that an individual consumes lagers in the U.K., the beers here are perhaps a bit stronger, with Stella weighing in around 5-5.5 and I think Kronenbourg being a little stronger. Add to that the fact that a proper english pint (based on a proper english gallon) is about 1.2 times the size of an american pint, and its easy to come away with the idea that the english beers are much more potent.

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