259777 Thu Nov 23 04:30:30 -0800 2000 13 26 International 0 1373190 I am posting this here rather than in reply to Pepper further down because it is too damn important to get lost in an old thread Pepper, sir you are a scoundrel to suggest such an abomination. Bitters mixed with the gin and poured martini style. I have never in all my many years heard such balderdash. A good gin benefits from La Crima Christi ( as a bartender I know calls the film made by the viscosity of the bitters which cling to the side of the glass) You will be suggesting next that you should serve it straight up at which point I will have to ask you to step outside and blows will be exchanged. I am assuming you are not of these shores and am going to warn our kind and friendly people at Immigration to keep a beady eye out for you. You have been warned Thu Nov 23 04:30:30 -0800 2000 0 Simon Majumdar 1 1373191 Actually Simon, twas I who made the horrid blunder. A pox apon me. And the last time I looked I was still a woman - so I'm assuming fisticuffs are out? Maybe you can just date me. That seems quite the fate. Thu Nov 23 04:57:24 -0800 2000 1373190 0 bryan 2 1373193 Whoppsie. Just saw Peppers reply. Disregard. Thu Nov 23 05:02:58 -0800 2000 1373191 0 bryan 2 1373194 Bryan Apologies for the sex change. Actually many women have undergone such an operation to avoid having a second date with me. I shall now try and pick up what is left of my shattered self worth with thoughts of a properly made pink gin. Thu Nov 23 05:02:59 -0800 2000 1373191 0 Simon Majumdar 3 1373195 I'm assuming, however, you like 'em with bullocks. Thu Nov 23 05:04:25 -0800 2000 1373194 0 bryan 1 1373192 In the light of recent discussions, may I just point out the above is tongue in cheek and I have no desire to punch anyone. However badly they may make a pink gin!!:) Thu Nov 23 04:59:37 -0800 2000 1373190 0 Simon Majumdar 1 1373196 I've never heard of this drink, but La Crima Christi makes it sounds like JC really *did* die for his sins...{or perhaps it's the love that dare not speak its name -- Christina and Moby?}. I apologise in advance should anyone raise their brows to this on religious grounds. Could it possibly be 'lacrima Cristi' which I believe translates to tears of Christ? Whatever it is, it's almost as good as Goats du Rhone or Canard Froid. Thu Nov 23 05:16:31 -0800 2000 1373190 0 magnolia 2 1373197 The fact that you have never heard of a pink gin and ergo never tried one will taint your credibility ( such as it is after the great Moby debacle of last week ) from now on. I suggest, just so we are clear on this you preface all your postings with the words " Now I am sure I am wrong on this, but......." Of course if you were to try and enjoy a pink gin as made per my instructions under " Date Drinks" below, we may be able to look at this again at a later stage Now I want you to go away and think about your behaviour ( as my mother always used to say to me ) Thu Nov 23 05:28:13 -0800 2000 1373196 0 Simon Majumdar 1 1373198 I took the liberty of researching your scurrilous formula in my rather extensive library of prewar drinks books, and found--among the recipes for pegu cocktails, planters' punches and ping-pongs--not a single reference to the barbaric highball with which you besmirch the reputation of one of the finest beverages the world has known. Finally, in a traveller's diary, I came across a single mention of something called ``pahit,'' which was referred to as ``a formula of India, Java and beyond,'' which a sea captain concocts by swirling in a glass and discarding bitters in a fashion similar to the one you describe . . . but (and this is important) he fills the glass with PURE GIN, garnished with a single ice chip. No water; no tonic; no Diet Mountain Dew. Neither orange slices, maraschino cherries nor cunning plastic monkeys that cling to delicately striped straws. It is because of the likes of you, sir, that it has become all but impossible to find my favorite cocktail properly made in any bar in the world. The next step, I fear, is pink gin sipped out of a coconut, garnished with pineapple rings and a flaming crouton. Thu Nov 23 09:18:22 -0800 2000 1373190 0 Pepper 2 1373200 Your poltroonery knows no bounds. The correct way. As shown to me by the late Archbishop of canterbury himself ( I kid you not ) is not a way found in any mere book. It is an intuitive way. A way any english gentleman would understand. Not some Yankee corruption involving silver shakers, high glasses and no doubt bells whistles and cheerleaders. The pink gin, sir is NOT a cocktail, it is a way of life for those who as Sir Cecil Rhodes put it, are born British and consequently have won first prize in the lottery of life. Happy Thanksgiving by the way:) Thu Nov 23 12:50:57 -0800 2000 1373198 0 Simon Majumdar 3 1375129 Sir, Cecil Rhodes NEVER claimed to be British, he was to use his own description English. Sat Feb 16 23:11:51 -0800 2002 1373200 0 nicholas 2 1373203 just so you know, i spilled some very decent single malt scotch over my keyboard laughing at your post. you owe me. Thu Nov 23 16:27:02 -0800 2000 1373198 0 howler 2 1375127 Gin Pahit`s are mentioned in many of the short stories written by Somerset Maugham. Is this the same drink as a Pink gin? It seems likely, but where all these half coconuts and diet mountain dews come is perplexing to say the least. Sat Feb 16 12:11:24 -0800 2002 1373198 0 nicholas 3 1375128 There is an old military expression to the effect that, under bombardment, one would have to be a fool to be unafraid. The history if this topic--on just the chowhound board alone--is redolent of excoriation, calumny, and invective. One enters the fray in full knowledge of the consequences. My 1939 copy of "The Gentleman's Companion, by the redoubtable Chas. H Baker, Jr., posts a recipe for Gin Pahit on page 38. The title reads "Gin & Bitters, the Gin PAHIT--Pronounced PIE-EET--of Java, the "Pink Gin" of India & Points Eastward where Britttania Rules." Baker's recipe--and here one enters a minefield--is to splash 4/5 dashes Angostura into the glass and twirl, allowing capillary action to determine the amount that remains when the glass is turned down. fill with gin. Baker claims old Tom is also acceptable gin---but I'd stick to standard dry British gin m'self. BAker also allows for additional amounts of bitters for Old India hands whose "stomachs are lax." The healthy bombinating on this matter points up the zeal with which we guard the simplest recipe. A dry martini--which knows no vodka whatever--is a subject that is guaranteed to start a brushfire (remember the WWII pilot's Survival Kit joke). So, too, with Caesar salad. The cleaner (that is, less complex) the item is, the more room for argument over purity. [See also the old Bureau of Standards which, before it changed its name to something else in the 1960's, issued a Standard for the Dry Martini. It was teh last official act of the old Bureau] having lit that fuse, we retire in All Good Fun . . . . Sat Feb 16 13:37:01 -0800 2002 1375127 0 Hazelhurst