25714 Fri Sep 12 02:56:57 -0700 2003 8 1 San Francisco Bay Area 0 103334 I love that beer on a hot day like today - anyone found it on tap here in the city? My last source stopped carrying it over in Noe, but I know TJ's has it in bottles. Still, it ain't the same! Link: http://www.merchantduvin.com/pages/5_breweries/lindemans_framboise.html Image: http://www.merchantduvin.com/images/brewery_art/lindeman_art/lind_framboise_bott.gif Fri Sep 12 02:56:57 -0700 2003 0 Peter 1 103335 Toronado on Lower Haight always has it and they always have the fancy glasses to serve it in. Fri Sep 12 03:21:18 -0700 2003 103334 0 srr 1 103340 There's a bar near Haight and Filmore on Haight Street called Toronado that frequently has it (along with 50 or so other beers, many Belgian ones) on tap. I used to go there quite a bit when I lived in the neighborhood. A must visit for any beer lover! Check out the link below. Boris Link: http://toronado.com/ Fri Sep 12 11:09:49 -0700 2003 103334 0 Boris Carlitov 1 103341 Reminds me of a drink that was fashionable in Frankfurt Germany in the mid 1960's. It was called "Berliner Weiss" and was a very light beer with a shot of raspberry syrup sitting in it. They served them in huge heavy bowl-shaped goblets (I still have two of them). Fri Sep 12 11:18:21 -0700 2003 103334 0 Sharuf 2 103376 Some years back one of the brewers, I forget which, put out a nifty poster that showed three of those goblets lined up vertically. On top was one with raspberry syrup added, in the middle one with nothing added (i.e. yellow), on the bottom one with green woodruff syrup -- a wheat beer traffic signal! I seem to recall a slogan with some wordplay about driving. Pre-MADD, needless to say. Fri Sep 12 23:09:27 -0700 2003 103341 0 squid-kun 1 103344 I'm a big Lindemans fan, especially for their kriekiest of krieks, but can't grasp the concept of a gueuze-based beer on tap. Is it the same as the bottled, or do they "tame" it to make it more bartender-friendly? The (original) Anchor Steam beer teetered on the brink of extinction when the bartenders lost their patience in drawing off the head every time they changed kegs, and was rescued only when Fritz Maytag took over the product and dumbed it down (IMHO). It seems like a healthy gueuze would present the same problem, in spades. I think I would prefer a live "bottle-fermented" beer served in the bottle. Fri Sep 12 12:28:39 -0700 2003 103334 0 Gary Soup 2 103420 can you explain what gueuze-based beer is? Sun Sep 14 15:36:40 -0700 2003 103344 0 patrick 3 103422 Technically, the Lindemans Framboise is a fruit Lambic Ale. A fruit Lambic is a spontaneously fermented ale(using wild airborne yeasts), where the fruit is fermented with the grains. A Gueuze is a barrel aged, fruitless Lambic. Oh, and the bottled Lindemans beers are available in Noe. Sun Sep 14 17:17:20 -0700 2003 103420 0 deweyman 4 103444 You are correct, I should have said "lambic-based." But Lindemanns adds the fruit in the secondary fermentation process, which yields a gueuze-like product, as opposed to some brewers who add fruit flavorings to finished ales. My main wonder is if kegged Lindemanns fruit beers can be as "live" as their bottled counterparts, and what the tradeoffs would be. Mon Sep 15 02:16:46 -0700 2003 103422 0 Gary Soup