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best sicilian (square) pizza pie in ny/nj?

surly Mar 27, 2006 04:40 AM

[NOTE: This thread is from 2006 and has been recently resurrected. -- The Chowhound Team]

so i've been to a bunch of places in ny and nj over the years and would like to see what others here think. fyi i think 90% of the sicilian pizza out there is below average or flat-out atrocious but generally trust the judgment of all you guys, so i'm really curious to hear what you have to say.

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    CornflakeGirl RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 06:15 AM

    Without a doubt the #1 sicilian slice can be had at DiFara's on Ave J in Brooklyn.

    Since this is the Tri-State board I'll add that Umberto's in New Hyde Park makes a great Grandma slice.

    Link: http://www.sliceny.com/archives/di_fara/

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      frankie RE: CornflakeGirl Mar 27, 2006 12:50 PM

      Not even close..Rosa's 69 street Maspeth

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        CornflakeGirl RE: frankie Mar 27, 2006 06:55 PM

        Rosa's is complete drek.

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        NYJewboy RE: CornflakeGirl Apr 27, 2007 08:59 AM

        I whole heartedly agree! DiFara's is #1. Dom is a rare interdimensional shape shifter. He is actually from another universe. They have brough precious pizza secrets here to help us. GO THERE.

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        CornflakeGirl RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 06:17 AM

        Sorry! Flipping from bard to board this early can do that do a girl.

        So if you're ever on the island check out Umberto's.

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          redgirl RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 06:27 AM

          hands down: difara. it's unbelievable.

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            meb903 RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 06:29 AM

            L & B Spumoni Gardens in Brooklyn - I drive all the way from New Jersey just for their square pizza!

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              sam RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 07:58 AM

              overall, it has to be di fara's...just the most delicious piece of pizza ive ever had.

              next up is l&b...amazing but in a totally different way. i hear they use beer in their dough.

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                John-Paul Pagano RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 10:22 AM

                I lived there a couple of years ago, and San Marco's near the corner of Metropolitan Ave. and Lorimer Street in Williamsburg sold DELICIOUS Sicilian slices. Well worth trying, and rarely mentioned.

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                  surly RE: John-Paul Pagano Mar 27, 2006 07:52 PM

                  thanks john-paul, i'll definitely have to check it out!

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                    NYJewboy RE: John-Paul Pagano Apr 27, 2007 09:01 AM

                    San Marco's would be the best pizza in a place like Scranton Penn. Here it is average. Go to the avatar: DiFara, Grimaldi, Patsy's, or Tontono's

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                      guanubian RE: NYJewboy Nov 14, 2007 07:15 PM

                      No. For regular slices San Marco's is good, but not the best; for SICILIAN slices, it's top shelf, easily peering with the likes of Grimaldi. Wait... does Grimaldi even do Sicilian, or slices for that matter? Isn't it a coal-oven pie place?

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                    Offbalance RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 10:31 AM

                    If you like waiting two hours for something with a soggy middle, then by all means, go to DiFara.

                    L&B is excellent, and I can't say enough good things about Original's on Ralph Avenue & Avenue N in Brooklyn. Their Original Supreme slice is terrific.

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                      bruklinboy RE: Offbalance Mar 27, 2006 10:38 AM

                      I second L & B and Original on Ralph Ave
                      The Original on 4th Ave and Bay Ridge Pkwy(69th St)is excellent as well

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                        NYJewboy RE: Offbalance Apr 27, 2007 09:03 AM

                        Yes, but if eaten RIGHT AWAY the soggy middle retains it's primordial flavor burst. If you wait more than 75 seconds it looses everything, I understand and feel your pain brother. Just eat it faster. It is not here for us, we are here for it!

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                          JFores RE: Offbalance Nov 15, 2007 01:08 PM

                          2 hours? It almost always takes under 30 minutes to get a pie at Di Fara. I haven't waited over 20 in a long time.

                          L&B is excellent if it's 1am, you're with your friends in a car and you need cheap eats. I don't eat L$B before midnight and I probably wouldn't like it very much if I did.

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                          11jeff11 RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 10:50 AM

                          I'm convinced that the sicilian at Rosa's in Maspeth is the best in any borough.

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                            East Elmhurst AL RE: 11jeff11 Mar 27, 2006 12:08 PM

                            Every time my brother comes in from Conn we go there and he brings home 2 or 3 pies. He's nuts about it. I think it's very good as well.

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                              Kelly Belly RE: 11jeff11 Mar 28, 2006 07:43 AM

                              It's nice to see ROSA is getting some play on this board. The Rosa locations in both Maspeth (on 69st, right off of Grand Ave) and in Ridgewood (corner of Fresh Pond and Met) make one of the best sicilian slices in NYC.

                              Ironically the Rosa location in Middle Village is mediocre at best.

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                                The Chicken Tender RE: 11jeff11 Mar 31, 2006 04:34 PM

                                Rosa's (grand ave.) not only has the best square, but everything in that place is fanstatice. i work a few blocks away and have tried most of the menu and they blow me away each and every time. the grandma slice is tops!!!!

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                                Fred RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 10:51 AM

                                DiFara's, hands down. Anyone saying L&B either has never been to DiFara's, isn't strictly talking about the food (people mention wait, this is about the food) or has lost all taste in their mouth!

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                                  mrnyc RE: Fred Mar 27, 2006 01:12 PM

                                  the answer is both DIFARAS and L&B imo. they are different styles of the square and so not 100% comparable.

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                                    Lambretta76 RE: mrnyc Mar 27, 2006 01:37 PM

                                    I'd like to throw out a random pie that I think is very good - comparable to L&B but no so to Dom's (his is the best, but it costs nearly twice as much). I really like the "special Sicilian" at Pipitone's on Dekalb in Fort Green. Just a notch under the L&B version, it's the one with the sauce on top of the cheese. Their regular Sicilian slice is just OK. (FWIW, it's Albanian-run, and they unfortunately don't make bureks, but harass them and perhaps they may some day.)

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                                  Foodie at Large RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 05:15 PM

                                  Rizzo's Steinway St Astoria, Queens

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                                    surly RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 07:35 PM

                                    hey guys,

                                    thanks for the input. what you guys said pretty much coincides with my opinion--like most of you i'm a huge fan of di fara (both the regular and square pies) and think l & b is great for their square pie only.

                                    i also agree with those who say it's hard to make a fair comparison of the square pie at these two places b/c of the difference in styles.

                                    as for other places:

                                    i have NOT been to rosa's, so i will definitely have to check it out - thanks for the tip!

                                    i DO like rizzo's - i finally made it there last year and have been several times since. good stuff.

                                    but i'm a little surprised that no one here mentioned ozone pizza. IMHO that place makes awesome square pies, better than l & b on most nights (it's a similar style of pie, with a fairly similar crust and with the sauce atop the cheese. and, like l & b, it's hard to compare it w/the square pie at di fara because of the difference in styles.). in fact, i'd argue that of the sauce-atop-cheese variant of the square pie, ozone makes the best i've had in nyc.

                                    i'd love to hear if anyone else has tried this place - and if so, do you agree with my opinion? or am i just crazy?!?

                                    one other place i just thought of:
                                    mr. nino's in harrison, nj.
                                    i used to go here when i was a kid growing up in dirty jersey. i have NO idea if it's still around, but it was the first place i'd ever gone to that served square slices with the sauce atop the cheese. in fact, i thought it was something that only mr. nino's did, which was part of the reason why i loved that place (besides the fact that their slices were so good). this was back in the 80s.

                                    when i went to l & b for the first time in the late 90s, i was immediately reminded of the square slices at mr. nino's. now, i have no idea if i'd feel the same way about mr. nino's today (assuming if it even exists anymore, which is not a certainty by any means), so i'm curious if anyone here is familiar with this place and has tried it recently (or at least remembers it from back in the 80s).

                                    thanks, and don't be shy with any other tips!

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                                      surly RE: surly Mar 27, 2006 07:53 PM

                                      oh btw, if anyone knows any places outside of the city proper - such as mr. nino's - please do share!

                                      like many of you - have car, will travel (for great food, that is).

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                                        Jennifer RE: surly Apr 21, 2006 02:08 PM

                                        I love Mr. Nino's in Harrison!! It is still around, but their slices are not square anymore. Certainly a competitor for the best pizza around.

                                      2. Scagnetti RE: surly Apr 27, 2007 02:42 PM

                                        DiFara's, there is no substitute. Pure orgasmic pizza.

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                                          verrazanohound RE: surly Apr 27, 2007 08:05 PM

                                          These are my current top ten choices :

                                          1.L & B - Bensonhurst
                                          2.Vic's - Gravesend
                                          3.Lazzara - Manhattan
                                          4.DiFara - Midwood
                                          5.Santillo - Elizabeth, NJ
                                          6.Rose & Joe - Astoria
                                          7.Elegante - Bay Ridge
                                          8.La Sorrentina - Dyker Heights
                                          9.Sal's - East Williamsburg
                                          10.Catania - Bronx

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                                            fcara RE: verrazanohound Nov 15, 2007 11:17 AM

                                            Coratos in Glendale on Myrtle. Was always their trademark.

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                                              Papa.fagiole RE: fcara Nov 18, 2007 07:00 AM

                                              Speaking of Mrytle and the enclave of Ridgewood, Maspeth, Middle Village and the like, Joe's on Forest just hired a new guy for their pizza. the introduced a grandma slice, their Sicilian is crunchy and flavorful and the cheese hits the spot.

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                                            JFores RE: surly Nov 15, 2007 01:06 PM

                                            Di Fara. Obviously.

                                            1. shabbystorm RE: surly Mar 5, 2009 12:16 AM

                                              The Sicilian Pizza in NYC is best because of the water.
                                              You can get good pizza in NJ but usually it is a place that makes the dough in NYC or Brooklyn.
                                              Interesting Article

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                                                erica RE: shabbystorm Mar 5, 2009 03:52 AM

                                                They say that about bagels, too!

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                                                Brklynbobby RE: surly Mar 5, 2009 06:17 AM

                                                I have tried the Sicilian from L&B twice and was disappointed. It was kind of gummy. In the general vicinity is Italia Pizzia & Restaurant, 307 Kings Highway, Brooklyn (718) 339-0666‎. I order it at least once a week. Very crisp and light crust. Sweet and savory tomato topping. In fact, I'm kind of addicted to it. Their regular pepperoni pie is a winner too. They've been in business since the 1950's.

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                                                  lambretta76 RE: Brklynbobby Mar 5, 2009 07:51 AM

                                                  I'm a big fan of Artichoke's Sicilian on 14th in Manhattan. In fact, besides their gloppy namesake slice, the pizza here is outstanding - my second favorite in the city. (After Dom, of course.) It should be noted that I'm generally in an inebriated state when I go here, but doesn't that heighten the senses? ;)

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                                                    cwilco RE: lambretta76 Mar 5, 2009 08:52 AM

                                                    Second for Artichoke Sicilian. Don't get the namesake, unless you want a stomach ache. The sicilian is excellent, and the Margarita looked great too (didn't try it).

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                                                    NYJewboy RE: Brklynbobby Mar 5, 2009 10:23 AM

                                                    I'm taking the Italia challenge today Brklynbobby. I'll check back in. Your pizza posts seem to warrant it.

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                                                    waylook RE: surly Aug 6, 2009 12:48 PM

                                                    Finally went to L&B with my law partner and his wife. They are both from Italy and love pizza. Their favorite is Luzzo. Anyway, we hated just about everything we tried there. Pizzas, mussels, antipasto. I really don't understand how/why this place gets raves.

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                                                      Brklynbobby RE: waylook Aug 7, 2009 06:30 AM

                                                      I don't like it either. There are two things, however, I do like about the place:
                                                      1. The outside seating in nice weather
                                                      2. The spumoni is really good
                                                      Therefore, next time you're in the area, have a spumoni and sit outside

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                                                        BillyBob RE: Brklynbobby Aug 7, 2009 11:23 AM

                                                        Couple of things: I agree on L&B, soggy and lacking some intensity of flavor. i eat a sicilian from there, I get full and then I think:"pizza is really not that good for you, isnt it?". Not really being well educated on sicilian pies, though, comparing L&B to Lazzara in Mahattan (which calls their pie sicilian, and it is square), but it is light and delicious with this very slight, very intriguing almost lemony flavor in it - seems so very different from L&B that I am not really sure which one is a true sicilian since they both cant be..... Maybe I am just a sicilian neophyte.
                                                        Which neighborhod is Itala in - sounds like a good one?

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