236387 Wed May 23 17:11:33 -0700 2001 26 19 Outer Boroughs 0 1253273 Where oh where is the great burger to be found? I am looking for a well cooked burger that is thick, and good fries would be a big plus. Thanks. Wed May 23 17:11:33 -0700 2001 0 Stacia 1 1253275 The Red Rail (Henry and Sackett) makes a fine burger and outstanding fries. I'd ask for it a little less well done than usual since they tend to overcook them. But I, too, am curious to learn of others' favorite burger joints in this area... Wed May 23 18:39:13 -0700 2001 1253273 0 becky 2 1253277 not the above areas but not too far Park Slopish - 200 Fifth Avenue a block or two from Degraw on 5th Avenue has great thick burgers and really good homemade fries. Also Bonnie's on Fifth Avenue (near Vaux) Wed May 23 23:30:43 -0700 2001 1253275 0 Lisa 2 1253280 I agree that the Red Rail has pretty good burgers -- in fact, I think that's about the only thing there that is good and a pretty reasonable price. I wonder if the food/burgers at the Irish-looking Bar one block North of Sparky's Ale House (Luquer and Court?) is good. Has anyone been there? I can't remember the name and if I'm down there always go to Sparky's. Brendan Thu May 24 09:57:32 -0700 2001 1253275 0 Brendan Taylor 3 1253283 I don't recall the name of the place you mention, but I've eaten there a couple times, and wouldn't recommend it. It's not inedible or anything, but it's pretty mediocre. As for Heights burgers, I've heard that the Grand Canyon on Montague serves a good one -- you won't get much atmosphere to go with it, though. Thu May 24 10:57:10 -0700 2001 1253280 0 Chris E. 4 1253320 I believe it is called "P J Hanley's". Sun May 27 21:04:37 -0700 2001 1253283 0 Alexis 3 1253293 Yeah, I've had theirs. Not worth it. Overcooked and served on stale buns. Thu May 24 18:04:05 -0700 2001 1253280 0 becky 1 1253281 I "special ordered" a cheeseburger from Smith Street Kitchen last night (I know, I know, I hear that the fish is great, but I was in the mood) for $10.00 it came with a nice plate of fries, mesclun, pickle, etc. It was good, above average, but the inside of the bun was burned. I wouldn't say that the Brooklyn Heights area is the best for a burger but I would love to be proven wrong! Thu May 24 09:58:09 -0700 2001 1253273 0 Cristina 1 1253284 A couple of months ago there were some very enthusiastic posts about the burger at the Long Island Restaurant, the diner on Atlantic on the corner of, I think, Hicks. Cobble Hill side of the street. You can probably search and find the thread. Thu May 24 12:10:39 -0700 2001 1253273 0 Erica Marcus 2 1253291 Long Island Restaurant is on the corner of Henry and Atlantic. After the reviews on this board I checked out their burger and found it quite good indeed. I seem to recall that the original post specified a "big" burger, which isn't how I'd describe this one. For me, the size was just fine. Fries, while not the best I've ever had, weren't bad either. Thu May 24 17:41:03 -0700 2001 1253284 0 Dee 1 1253285 Waterfront Alehouse, 155 Atlantic, between Clinton & Henry, especially since they switched to handcut fries a few months back. Thu May 24 12:13:04 -0700 2001 1253273 0 David Jacobson 2 1253287 Glad to hear the news from the french-fry front -- never did like those waffle fries. Thu May 24 13:30:01 -0700 2001 1253285 0 Chris E. 3 1253288 Believe it or not, some patrons protested loudly about the disappearance of those wretched waffle fries. The hand cuts are a major improvement tho they too often come out soggy, the kitchen is still getting the hang of them I guess. Thu May 24 14:46:01 -0700 2001 1253287 0 David Jacobson 4 1253295 Hey, no fair! They're still serving the waffle fries at the Manhattan Waterfront! When do we get hand-cut fries? (I hope within the next two months, while I still live a half block away and not on the other side of town!) Fri May 25 00:03:39 -0700 2001 1253288 0 Caitlin McGrath 5 1253355 The Manhattan Waterfront switched to handcuts a few years back and had to go back to the waffle fries by popular demand, believe or not. Wed May 30 13:26:44 -0700 2001 1253295 0 David Jacobson 6 1253374 I've had many talks with Ralph, the wonderful head chef at the Manhattan branch, about the french fries. I'm not claiming that WAH has the best food in the world, but so much thought and individuality go into so many of the dishes, and the onion rings (often served as an accompaniment to steaks there) are so good, I can never figure out why those indifferent waffle fries come out of the kitchen. Thu May 31 03:42:13 -0700 2001 1253355 0 Dave Feldman 2 1253290 Yes, the Alehouse does make a good burger...and I agree wholeheartedly that the demise of the waffle fries is a good thing. As for the inconsistent new fries, if I can turn them out properly at home, I feel sure that the chef there will get it down. Thu May 24 17:35:55 -0700 2001 1253285 0 Dee 3 1253356 The handcuts are inconsistent, I've taken to ordering them well done and been presented with brown soggy fries. Wed May 30 13:29:36 -0700 2001 1253290 0 David Jacobson 2 1253326 Went there last night for a burger. Better than expected although that place is so dirty and lame that I don't care to go back. Food on the floor, sticky menus, and the bright lighting make for a really bad combination. Ick. Mon May 28 16:05:08 -0700 2001 1253285 0 itslex71 3 1253327 Just to clarify...since you've posted on the Outer Boroughs board, I'll assume you're talking about the Brooklyn Branch (there's one in Manhattan as well). Sunday night of Memorial Day weekend is a party night, and this is, first/foremeost, a bar. And it's unfair to expect a bar to keep menus uniformly wiped-down and floors impeccably swept on that sort of night. I don't think this is an apt way of judging cleanliness. As for lighting, unless they've changed something, I've always considered the place downright dim. But one hound's dimness may well be another hound's glare... ciao Mon May 28 16:14:52 -0700 2001 1253326 0 Jim Leff 4 1253333 I once had a burger there. The meat tasted fine--good, even--but it came on something that very closely resembled a bagel. That is just plain wrong, as far as I'm concerned. Tue May 29 11:21:13 -0700 2001 1253327 0 becky 5 1253358 They changed the bun a couple of years ago, the new bun is more or less a kaiser roll. If you ask, you can get it on the soft bun they use for the crabcake sandwich. Wed May 30 13:40:51 -0700 2001 1253333 0 David Jacobson 4 1253348 Another opinion: I've always found the Waterfront food more than decent, especially in light of the wonderful selection of tap beers--including some that you can't get anywhere else. It's one of the few dim bars I'd take my three year old to--and sometimes do, when she asks for salmon for lunch on a Friday afternoon and I'd like a pint or two. The branch in Manhattan has downright GOOD food (including a standard game burger, usually ostrich or venison, with their own ketchup) along with the same great taps. Both branches are my favorite places to eat AND drink. David Edelstein Brownstone Brooklyn Wed May 30 09:35:03 -0700 2001 1253327 0 David Edelstein 5 1253387 I ate there once with my family, and found the menu and the food quite good. The only problem at that time was the smokiness--there was no non-smoking area. When we added in the dry cleaning bill for everything everyone was wearing, it made for quite an expensive burger. Is there still no way to get away from the smoke? Thu May 31 16:37:59 -0700 2001 1253348 0 Marion Morgenthal 6 1253550 I have found that if I go right after work (I can walk there from work) and have a round or two and a burger - and it's not a Friday - it isn't too smoky. I hate cigarette smoke too and my partner is allergic to it and we have eaten burgers there together a few times (but always fairly early on a weeknight) and she was OK... Fri Jun 08 15:44:04 -0700 2001 1253387 0 Jill-O 4 1253380 I was there a few weeks ago on a weeknight for a quick burger and drinks with work friends before heading home. It was definitely dark as it has been almost every time I've been there...I concur with the Big Dog, did they change their lighting fixtures!? I like their burgers a lot. I think they're the best in the neighborhood. Their soups are often interesting and yummy - had a squash- or pumpkin-based one in fall or winter that was really great and I'm not a big soup person. Their beer list is impressive and they always have a nice selection of hard ciders - draft and bottled (had the pear cider last time - nice). They have a million condiments (some are quite intriguing) at each table and fresh-popped corn for free at the front. I find it comfy - good bar food, you can talk and hear each other, it isn't a sports bar, it isn't trendy, - lots to recommend it... Thu May 31 14:31:15 -0700 2001 1253327 0 Jill-O 1 1253286 Victory Kitchen on Smith Street has a pretty good burger as well, no fires tho, roasted potatoes are pretty good. Thu May 24 12:15:17 -0700 2001 1253273 0 David Jacobson