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adam Feb 20, 1999 10:31 PM

Hey What's up on Arthur Ave? Had dinner at Mario's and
they should be ashamed of the cold antipasta!better off
just ordering peppers,mozzarella etc .entree/dessert
good, wine list actually reasonable, but something
seems to be missing...ant recommendations for good red
sauce italian here or elsewhere in the boros?

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    stephen kaye RE: adam Feb 21, 1999 06:31 AM

    go to dominick's, also try roberto's. for great italian wines, go to mount carmel wine shop 612 east 187th st, right off the corner of arthur ave. mike's deli inside the indoor market for italian deli.

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      Stanley Gordon RE: stephen kaye Feb 21, 1999 12:17 PM

      Mario's has always been an overrated touristy spot, in
      my opinion, and Dominick's, while good at what it does,
      has never been a favorite of mine either. Try Emilia's,
      just down the block from Dominick's for charming
      atmosphere and very good food - particularly the
      appetizers (stringbeans with gorgonzola, sauteed
      portobello mushrooms and artichokes/shallots, lovely
      fried vegetables - zucchini, peppers, eggplant). Mike's
      deli in the market is indeed excellent, as are Egidio's
      for pastries, Terranova for bread (although I think
      Madonia Brothers provolone bread makes the world's best
      toast), and Full Moon for pizza.

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        Jim Zurer RE: Stanley Gordon Feb 21, 1999 03:18 PM

        I agree that Mario's is a bit touristy, but I have to
        say that their pizza is top-notch. It is only on the
        menu as an appetizer, but you can order a pie or two
        with some antipasti or vegetables and have a good
        meal.

        Full Moon is generally good for pizza, but I have
        found some distressing variations visit to visit.

        We patronize Joe's Deli, in the same block as
        Terranova; we like their cheeses very much.

        Jim Zurer -- Washington DC

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          raymond RE: Jim Zurer Jun 1, 1999 12:40 AM

          The indoor market is a must when visiting Arthur ave.
          Also if you ever find yourself in the neighborhood
          during the summer months don't miss out on the feast
          of San Anthony and Mt. Carmel. For the best mozzarella
          go to Tino's on 187th street off of Arthur ave just
          say Raymond send you Marios son. On 187th street you
          can find fresh pasta, bread, imported wine and good
          italian dessert. Muto bene Ciao!

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            J.G. Schwam RE: raymond Dec 10, 2004 09:44 AM

            No body mentioned Cafe del Mercado, across the public market from the much and duely lauded Mike's Deli. The Cafe has superior hot heros's excellent and individual pizza's. A plus is Dad, who makes some of the best espresso in America.

            A personal favorite, something no one else makes is a arugula salad and roasted pepper hero with balsamic vinigrette and fresh, creamy mozzarella a peer of which you can only find at Alleva and Joe's Dairy.

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              doc RE: J.G. Schwam Dec 10, 2004 11:04 AM

              agreed

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                FrancescaP RE: J.G. Schwam Dec 13, 2009 06:45 PM

                Best Pizza on Arthur Ave. located at the back of the indoor retail market. For taht matter....best pizza ever!

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                  vvvindaloo RE: FrancescaP Dec 14, 2009 09:00 AM

                  the pizza squares at cafe al mercato are seriously good. i don't normally love the cheese on bottom/sauce on top formula, but theirs works well. and the crust is crispy.

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                  2331 Hughes Ave, Bronx, NY 10458

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              Stan RE: Jim Zurer Dec 1, 1999 07:17 PM

              Hi, I would like to know what kind of distressing
              variations you found at Full Moon Pizzeria & Restaurant
              Thank You,
              Stanislao Petti ( Full Moon Rest. Owner)

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                Rinaldo Paonessa RE: Stan Feb 18, 2004 11:05 AM

                Your pizza was the very best I ever ate.
                Since you served me a single vegi slice, the first time I visited you pizzeria, years after, I still compare it to all other pizzas, including Neapolitan pizza in Naples, Italy.
                Now, promise me that you will invent a slimming slice in the very near future.

                Rinaldo Paonessa
                27 Charrington Cres.
                North York, ON., m3l 2c3
                Canada [416 744 7887/647 299 1948c]

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                  xorex RE: Stan Aug 7, 2004 02:11 PM

                  looking for best Arthur Avenue restaurant to go to after a Yankee game

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                beeb444 RE: Stanley Gordon May 30, 2011 10:14 PM

                Madonia Brothers olive bread and jalapeno bred -outstanding!

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                Madonia Brothers Bakery
                2348 Arthur Ave, Bronx, NY 10458

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                frank raimondis RE: stephen kaye Jan 3, 2000 09:33 AM

                I'm looking for a restuarant called Dominick's on Arthur ave. It's across the market retail mall. I ate ther years ago and want to take my parents there for a quiet and wonderful 50 yr anniversary.

                Can anyone help me out?

                Ciao,

                Franco

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                  MU RE: frank raimondis Jan 3, 2000 09:57 AM

                  You've got the location right, but don't expect quiet-- the tables are family-style (including not just your own family, but other peoples' as well), service can be brusque, and it gets really crowded on weekends.

                  I've also heard the food has gone greatly downhill in recent years. If you search the site for 'Arthur Ave' you will find other options in the same neighborhood that might be more romantic and celebratory.

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                    jen kalb RE: MU Jan 10, 2000 10:27 AM

                    we havent been for about 5 years - the food at Dominicks was then pretty good, but I believe it is one of those spots where the pricing is "flexible" and there is no written menu - you order without knowing the prices and they charge you what they feel like (presumably, more if they dont know you). My husband strongly feels that we were taken advantage of on our last two visits. It is also pretty crowded but we liked that. Unless you are totally insensitive to price, may not be the most relaxing meal destination.

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                      stephen kaye RE: jen kalb Jan 10, 2000 12:25 PM

                      next time, go and try roberto's, it blows domminicks away. roberto's on 186 th st&belmont ave/bronz/arthur ave

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                        Peter Serratore RE: stephen kaye Oct 9, 2003 10:16 AM

                        We feel that Pasquale's Rigoletto, about 200 feet down from Dominick's, is one of the best restaurants down there. We've been there 5-6 times, and it's very very good every time.
                        Go with hot antipasto, and just let them pick it out for you.
                        Saturday night they have singers and it's a blast.

                        -P

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                        Miladys Cruz RE: jen kalb Aug 14, 2002 12:00 PM

                        I've been to Dominick's on numerous occasions and we've never felt like we were taken advantage of. Quite the opposite actually. As a matter of fact, one time we went with 6 people, had beer and wine, each had an individual entree (which always includes a family style served antipasto salad and bread) and were charged $100 (not including tip). And we didn't have spagetti and meatballs. This was for veal, porkchops, chicken cacciatori, calamari over linguini and the like. Not to mention that half of us had enough leftover to bring home. Where else in NY can you beat that? And the food at Dominick's is to die for. It's definitely something to boast about. Anyone who thinks differently just doesn't know great italian food. It is so good, that at the end I don't care how much the bill is. It may not be the fanciest place I've been but when the food is unparalleled and the value is great, who cares?

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                          RickTheClamBellyFan RE: Miladys Cruz Apr 23, 2008 03:47 AM

                          I didn't say you'd feel taken advantage of...I said the price will never be the same twice, that's all. Actually, that's one of the things I still like about Dominic's. As for the "doesn't know great Italian food" quip, I know great Italian food, and I don't think Dominic's is anywhere NEAR great. In fact, it seldom reaches "very good." However, there must be something in my genetic makeup that makes me still go there sometimes. I do like the place, but it's not even close to being great Italian food. Now, Roberto's...that's great Italian food. The other great Italian food is found in my kitchen. I grew up in an Italian home and learned to cook from the matriarch of that family. She was a crazy woman, and did a lot of things to help ruin my already ridiculous life, but she sure infused me with an interest in cooking. She only knew how to do Italian, and I managed to learn that from her, but the interest in cooking I'll always have to thank her for, even though she's dead now. The main secret nowadays in my Italian cooking, when it comes to "red" is using San Marzano tomatoes. The product is so good that I can no longer take credit. I tell my guests that when they compliment me, too. But always remember to look for the 3 stamps on the side of the can, and the letters: D.O.P. You just can't duplicate these beauties anywhere BUT the San Marzano region of Italy, due to the volcanic soil in which they grow. You can plant San Marzano seeds here, and you'll grow a really good tomato, but it won't really be a San Marzano no matter how you tend it. They're so good, that it's worth using the canned S.M. tomatoes over any fresh tomatoes for your sauce. I know I've posted this in the thread about San Marzano tomatoes, but I couldn't resist, in light of Miladys Cruz's claim that Dominic's food is to die for. For me...spare my life, and feed me at Roberto's, NOT Dominic's.

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                          OldTimer RE: jen kalb Dec 28, 2005 12:43 PM

                          Very true indeed. Be careful....

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                          pjm1954 RE: MU Jul 24, 2007 07:07 AM

                          I have been to Dominics three times and always enjoyed it tremendously. Now, you will not get the cozy atmosphere but I think in a way that was part of the fun. We had pork chops with vinegar peppers and it was fabulous. I have never had anything not perfect there.

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                          stephen kaye RE: frank raimondis Jan 3, 2000 10:06 AM

                          domminick's is fine, but THE PLACE to eat at is called robertos, 186 th st. and belmont ave. about 2 blocks from domminicks. its far, far superior, nicer, etc. etc. especially for an anniversary. enjoy

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                            RickTheClamBellyFan RE: stephen kaye Nov 13, 2007 03:39 AM

                            couldn't agree more. While Dominic's has a reputation and a fun crowd with borderline communal seating, where you'll make friends that will last at least as long as the meal, Roberto's a couple of blocks away, at the corner of Belmont Ave., is FINE dining, especially as compared to Mario's or Dominic's. Way more serious restauteurs run this place, obviously, and far superior in terms of a chef's touch. Dominic's is fun, and the stuffed artichoke is a greasy, though delicious, mess. Dominic's pricing is a joke--you think it's charming at first that there are no menus and no fixed prices, but you won't think it's so funny when you return, order the same thing as last visit, and realize that you've been charged a completely different price, made up on the spot by the manager, whose name I think used to be Charlie (perhaps still is). Go to Dominic's to say you've been there, done that. Go to Roberto's for a fine meal, but be prepared to wait, wait, wait.

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                        jeff s RE: adam Apr 6, 1999 09:34 PM

                        we're really nuts about the food here. we travel from
                        LI to buy meat at the butcher next to madonna's
                        bakery. we buy pizza bread at madonna. mike's deli
                        makes the best heros to go to the bronx zoo or
                        botanical gardens with. we buy our fresh pasta across
                        the street from the church.

                        any other good things someone might suggest?

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                          micky RE: adam Jan 27, 2002 09:43 AM

                          check out frattellis on eastchester road the bronx

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                            Rob Krogulski RE: adam Mar 9, 2004 08:52 PM

                            can somebody please tell me how to get to arthur ave by trains? im a bklyn boy i dunno bx very well. thanks.

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                              pjm1954 RE: adam Jul 24, 2007 06:54 AM

                              When is the feast this year? I live in St Louis and want toi book travel. Is it the Feast of St Anthony? Whch ne is the largest and best?

                              How about Little Italy too?

                              Thanks

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                                fsval RE: pjm1954 Jul 24, 2007 09:04 AM

                                pjm1954, you just missed out. It was from July 12-16. Check out the indoor market instead :)

                                http://www.arthuravenue.com

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                                  vvvindaloo RE: pjm1954 Aug 25, 2007 09:19 AM

                                  pjm1954- I was just on Arthur Ave. yesterday. While it is too late for St. Anthony, there will be a Ferragosto festival the weekend after Labor Day (sometime around the 9th of Sept., I think). The largest Italian festival in NYC is San Gennaro in Manhattan's Little Italy... it can be fun, and I appreciate it for what it is (or once was), but the crowds and crass commercialism of today's festival are not necessarily something I would travel to see (IMO). For a true cultural experience among Italians and Italian-Americans, I would stick with the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Staten Island. On a side note, The old Italian section of East Harlem will be having their Feast of the Giglio around the same time as Ferragosto in the Bronx and S. Gennaro in lower Manhattan. Could be a fun trip to include all three...

                                2. el luchador RE: adam Aug 21, 2007 09:37 AM

                                  emelia's is my favorite arthur avenue rest. The pork Braciola with pine nuts is the best in the city. I can't say this in public, but it's even better than my nonna's (grandma's). The Veal is always good and their antipasta della casa is tip-top. The house wine is good for a house and a arafe is only 12 bucks i think.

                                  I would also try Robertos (a little off Arthur ave). Really good. Always packed and no reservations. Try Tuesday or Wednesday when the yankees aren't in town.

                                  In termsof deli's Tino's in its new location and Mike's (in the retail market) are great. Mike's can be a little intimidating with the laminated picture of Mussolini and the jug of red wine behind the workers.

                                  1. vvvindaloo RE: adam Aug 23, 2007 09:40 AM

                                    My abbreviated Arthur Ave. shopping list, developed over four generations of regular family patronage (I once put together a really long "guide" to the Ave. for a friend, complete with family anecdotes- one day I'll find it and dedicate it to this board):

                                    Restaurant: Roberto's. Umberto's can be good for a seafood lunch.
                                    Deli, imports and prepared foods: Tino's (and visit Teitel Bros. for more traditional Italo-American goods, and for the experience)
                                    Produce: Retail Market
                                    Bread: Addeo for everyday bread, Madonia for specialties and breadsticks
                                    Coffee and pastries: nowhere (I do not really care for any of today's so-called Italian cafes at all, and cannot sincerely recommend cappuccino or dessert anywhere. Its a shame-it wasn't always this way. BUT- Rosa at Tino's makes the absolute best apple pies in fall/winter, and incredible wheat pie at Easter. Pre-ordered and taken home whole is best. If and when she makes extras, they sell out immediately.)
                                    Wine: Mt. Carmel
                                    Butcher: Vincent's
                                    Seafood: Randazzo's (beware the attitude of owner). They have some of the freshest clams and shrimp outside at the bar- a favorite quick healthy summer lunch you can eat right on the sidewalk while people-watching.
                                    Pasta: Borgatti for both the famous ravioi and the pasta alla chitarra, sheets are cut to the width of your choice.

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                                      aunteejoy RE: vvvindaloo Aug 23, 2007 09:43 AM

                                      What about cheese? Where do you recommend?

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                                        vvvindaloo RE: aunteejoy Aug 23, 2007 10:03 AM

                                        Sorry, I should have been more specific. I really like Tino's mozzarella and some of their other imported cheeses, such as Fior di Sardegna, Provolone and Parmiggiano Reggiano (I recently fell in love with their imported Greek ricotta salata, it literally melts in your mouth). If you order a mozzarella at Tino's, they will ask you if you want it salted- say yes. At that point, they give it a quick dip in salt water before wrapping it (or they'll put it in a container with salt water if you ask). Casa della Mozzarella has a deservedly good reputation for their eponymous product, which they sell in a variety of excellent forms (bufala, affumicata, etc.). Try Casa for ricotta, too. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions re: Arthur Ave,

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                                          dianechappaqua RE: vvvindaloo Dec 22, 2010 09:31 AM

                                          Don't forget Calandra's Cheese, the place has been there ages, but it is at the end of Arthur Avenue, almost the corner of Crescent, across from Rigoletto's. They have amazing ricotta, mozzarella, and the hanging caciocavalli, all made on the premises. Much better than Casa della Mozzarella's.

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                                          2314 Arthur Ave, Bronx, NY 10458

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                                            johnindabronx RE: dianechappaqua Dec 22, 2010 09:58 AM

                                            Agreed. Fanatastic creamy mozz and the best caciocavalli anywhere. Serve at room tempeture and it's better than butter on a chunk of Addeo Bros. bread, just up the block

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                                            2372 Hughes Ave, Bronx, NY 10458

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                                              vvvindaloo RE: dianechappaqua Dec 22, 2010 10:30 PM

                                              Thanks for the info!

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                                          dmleo RE: vvvindaloo Aug 23, 2007 10:21 AM

                                          I respectfully disagree about the lack of good desserts and would recommend De Lillos for delicious desserts (their sfogliate is superb) and Artusos for Italian ices and cannolis. As for coffee, the older gentleman at Cafe al Mercato in the Retail Market makes one heck of a cappuccino.

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                                            vvvindaloo RE: dmleo Aug 23, 2007 10:48 AM

                                            I imagine you are referring to the counter all the way in the back of the market, to the left. I have never had coffee there (though the pizza is excellent). As far as DeLillo's goes, they are probably "the best" pastrieds to be found in the area- but I really do not care for them. They were better in the past, IMO, yet never "excellent". That's funny that you mention the sfogliatelle-- they are probably the one thing we can agree on. The sfogliatelle are good (I probably wouldn't say superb). For desserts, I defected to Brooklyn years ago- the pastries on 18th Ave. cannot be beat anywhere in the Bronx (it pains me to say it, believe me).

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                                              gourmetfoodcritic RE: vvvindaloo Jan 7, 2008 03:20 PM

                                              I agree and so do many others including people from Italy Bensonhurt has the best pastries. I spent many years around the specialty food business and Vilabate on 18th Ave. has the best cannoli you can find. You have not tasted a cannoli until you taste this one. The ricotta is flown in from Palermo and the shell is thin and crispy. Try the cassata AL FORNO it is hard to find outside of Sicily (sold by weight). Mona Lisa on 86th St. and Luigi's Dolceria on Hylan Blvd. ( was called Alba on 18th Ave. before they moved to SI) are also worth mentioning. The bread is awesome at the 18th Ave. bakery which is betweenn 60th & 61st. St. D. Colluccio & Sons has the best olives, imported provolone cheese, imported groceries and much more in NYC at the best prices this is a must stop for anyone who wants a supply of great italian imports. No one can come close to there quality and price! 1214-20 60th St.

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                                                vvvindaloo RE: gourmetfoodcritic Feb 2, 2008 03:28 PM

                                                You took the words right out of my mouth. Actually, I think I have probably expressed many of the same opinions on here in the past... but still, it sounds so good when someone else agrees!

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                                              erpomata73 RE: dmleo Feb 27, 2009 04:07 AM

                                              Sfogliatella. One cannolo, two or more cannoli. One gelato, two or more gelati. One panino, two or more panini. Do you say asparaguses?

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                                                FrancescaP RE: erpomata73 Dec 17, 2009 06:43 PM

                                                One; sfogliatella, two or more; sfogliatelle :-)

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                                              ChefBoyAreMe RE: vvvindaloo Aug 23, 2007 10:55 AM

                                              Good list, but I'd add Calabria Pork Store for salumi (just the sight of it all hanging from the ceiling gets my mouth watering) and fresh sausage.

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                                                vvvindaloo RE: ChefBoyAreMe Aug 23, 2007 11:02 AM

                                                Thanks, Chef! You know, I still have a mother, aunt, great-aunt, and grandmother who shop in that neighborhood, and I defer to our traditional family haunts when I go (more often than not, I am there with them).... compared to them, I definitely have a long way to go before I develop any real "familial authority" regarding trying new places. We have always gone to Vincent's for meats, and bought our salumi at Tino's (and before that, Teitel Bros.). I have heard from others that Calabria is great- I'll definitely check it out one of these days.

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                                                  ChefBoyAreMe RE: vvvindaloo Aug 23, 2007 11:07 AM

                                                  Rosnegraten has a great rave about Calabria (among others):

                                                  http://www.davidrosengarten.com/conte...

                                                  He's 100% right about the flat coppa, my personal fav:

                                                  "Calabria Pork Store My personal epicenter of salumi worship in America is this amazing, old-time butcher shop on Arthur Avenue in the Bronx. And the most sensational thing about the store is its selection of salumi.

                                                  If this store were a cave, hanging sausages would be the stalactites. I have never in my life, outside of a factory, seen as much pork swinging in the breeze. The hanging stuff's all homemade, though Calabria does offer some salumi made by others. The dried sausages are particularly great, especially the Hot Sausage. Most of the sopressatas aren't quite as good, though their Flat Sopressata is a stand-out; it's shaped like a slipper (7" long, 31/2" wide, 1" thick), has lots of fat strewn throughout its purple-red meat, and features an astonishing array of porky, fruity, cheesy, salty, funky flavors.

                                                  One unique specialty you mustn't miss is the Cured Pork Loin, which they call Lonza. It's a whole tenderloin of pork with a beautiful band of outer fat flecked with black pepper. Thin slices of it have an extraordinarily elegant texture. The taste is fresh, porky, and, in the fatty part, buttery-something like a cross of prosciutto and Canadian bacon."

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                                                    ChefBoyAreMe RE: ChefBoyAreMe Aug 23, 2007 11:15 AM

                                                    Correction, Flat soppresatta, not coppa...

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                                                      vvvindaloo RE: ChefBoyAreMe Aug 23, 2007 11:53 AM

                                                      Thanks so much for the link! I already bookmarked the page. I could go for some salumi right now. Do you happen to know what types of mortadella are sold at Calabria?

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                                                        ChefBoyAreMe RE: vvvindaloo Aug 23, 2007 11:59 AM

                                                        I don't...I actually haven't warmed up to mortadella yet, despite being very adventurous. I just don't get it. I can't get past the "baloney/balogna" notion.

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                                                          obob96 RE: vvvindaloo Aug 24, 2007 08:32 AM

                                                          They've got an imported mortadella (maybe a domestic brand also), which is very good. I've never seen an "artisanal" mortadella in the US.
                                                          Calabria also does great pancetta, capicollo, and has a nice line of fresh sausages as well as cheeses, pasta, canned tuna and anchovies, and other products. A fabulous and unique place.

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                                                          vvvindaloo RE: ChefBoyAreMe Aug 24, 2007 09:14 AM

                                                          hey, chef, i just got the call, and we're going to arthur ave. today. I'll be stopping by Calabria for sure (don't tell!). Will report back.

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                                                            ChefBoyAreMe RE: vvvindaloo Aug 24, 2007 09:33 AM

                                                            Go nuts!

                                                            In the immortal words of the guy on "Molto Mario" who appeared as a guest on the show, dressed as a woman (the funniest episode ever, BTW), "Nothing says I love you like a homemade salami!"

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                                                          Striver RE: vvvindaloo Aug 24, 2007 08:09 AM

                                                          Nice list, although I also disagree about De Lillo's (and several of the pastries at Morrone's have also been very good, esp. their small lobster tails). We've also been shopping on Arthur for decades, and generally prefer Biancardi's to Vincent's for meat. Agree that Tino's in their new location is excellent - and also agree with other posters that you should absolutely check out Calabria.

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                                                            vvvindaloo RE: Striver Aug 24, 2007 08:32 AM

                                                            My great-grandmother was a cousin of the original owner of Vincent's (his son-or is it grandson?- now runs it, not sure if he actually took over ownership or not). I knew my great-grandmother, and I can't imagine shopping anywhere else- it would feel like a betrayal (not to mention the ridicule I would suffer at the hands of my grandmother). I know, this sounds like a lot of unnecessary Italian Guilt, but what can I say? One day, maybe I'll branch out and try a different butcher, but I've always been happy with Vincent's. Do you really think that DeLillo's is as good as ever? If so, what do you recommend, aside from sfogliatelle?

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                                                              Striver RE: vvvindaloo Aug 24, 2007 09:20 AM

                                                              You know, I understand about Vincent's (in fact, I was going to note in my earlier post that it would make a difference if you had a relationship with the store - it always does, of course!); OTOH, we tried them as well as the one in the Market (Peter's?) and found that we preferred Biancardi's in general for veal and pork (esp. their stuffed pork chops).

                                                              I'm pretty much a sfogliatelle and lobster tail fan, myself, which De Lillo's does really well - but will add that the last few dozens of assorted minis we've gotten at De Lillo's have been very good, and my wife has always been partial to their cookies/biscotti over anyone else's. BTW, I believe that the pastry guy at Morrone's previously worked at De Lillo's - they're definitely worth a try (though I'd take a pass on Palumbo's, another relatively new place on 187th).

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                                                                vvvindaloo RE: Striver Aug 24, 2007 09:30 AM

                                                                I agree with you on Palumbo's- no good. Yes, I heard the same thing about the Morrone's/DeLillo's connection, but am not sure what to make of it, as I don't like the looks of what I have seen in Morrone's, and it does not look the same as DeLillo's goods. I am supposed to be "off" desserts right now, but I am gong to Arthur Ave. this afternoon-maybe I'll stop in to D just to look around...

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                                                                  obob96 RE: vvvindaloo Aug 24, 2007 09:50 AM

                                                                  DeLillo's has the area's best biscotti--with the clear flavors and dense mouth eel of traditional Italian-American baking--and well-made other classics, like sfogliatelle. Palumbo's space is fine for a relaxed coffee, but quality and service are well-below DeLillo's.

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                                                        vvvindaloo RE: vvvindaloo Aug 24, 2007 06:38 PM

                                                        I want to make a quick edit here- our default fish store is Cosenza's, not Randazzo.

                                                      3. vvvindaloo RE: adam Aug 24, 2007 06:37 PM

                                                        I went to CALABRIA pork store- bought some flat soppresata- it's delicious. I haven't ever tasted anything quite like it- it's mild, lean, salty, sweet, and has a unique flavor and texture (and a great shape for popping in your mouth with your hands!). Thank you very much for the tip. And they do, indeed, sell Italian-produced mortadella :) The shop itself is a sight to behold- I loved all the hanging salami, the friendly clerks... but especially the great dried pork smell. It kind of reminded me of the underground food storage "bunker" my grandparents had in their old house (that's a whole other story!) when I was a kid. I also picked up some artisanal pasta and a Manhattan Special while I was there.
                                                        DELILLO- I went. I looked. I took in the aroma. I didn't buy anything- not because nothing looked good, but because I was stuffed from my sandwich from Tino's (I have written several times on this board regarding my love for Tino's chicken parmigiana wedge) and I am trying to cut back on sweets. To be totally honest, though, nothing in there wowed me. Had I been wowed, I may have caved. The napoleon squares looked like they could be good, as did the mini eclair, and some of the cookies. There were certainly plenty of people in there who looked like they were enjoying what they had :)
                                                        I also stopped in at Madonia for an olive loaf. Borgatti for some pasta (I ask for "spaghetti size") . Italian green roasting peppers and eggplant in the retail market....
                                                        oh, and some frenched lamb chops for the grill tomorrow. All in all, a good visit- I love to find new foods, unfortunately they are never low fat or low calorie.

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                                                          Striver RE: vvvindaloo Aug 25, 2007 11:00 AM

                                                          Just two things your post brought to mind - I love the provolone bread at Madonia's; sliced thick and toasted, it's great with just a little butter. Second, after years of getting egg pasta and ravioli at Borgatti's (the large ricotta ravioli are the best!), we discovered one day that they actually cut a fresh spaghetti made from non-egg dough; it cooks up fat, chewy, and delicious. Don't know if that's what you get when you ask for "spaghetti size", but if not, give it a try!

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                                                            Cheese Boy RE: Striver Aug 28, 2007 12:00 AM

                                                            Striver, I'll be sure to inquire about that spaghetti next time I'm there.
                                                            I always purchased the egg pasta too.

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                                                              vvvindaloo RE: Striver Aug 28, 2007 07:10 AM

                                                              Striver, that is indeed the pasta that we buy. Fat, chewy and delicious says it all!

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                                                            neweats RE: adam Aug 8, 2008 12:12 PM

                                                            where should i go to get the best rice balls on arthur ave. ? I have never been there before and i about to make a special trip there.

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                                                              gourmetfoodcritic RE: neweats Jan 6, 2009 03:46 PM

                                                              Actually the best rice balls and ricotta balls are at Faicco's Pork Store. There is one on Bleeker Street in Manhattan and another bigger store on 11th Ave. between 65th and 66th Streets in Brooklyn. Sausages both fresh and dried are very good also. Brooklyn store has a better selection but both are very good.

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                                                              desol81 RE: adam Feb 28, 2009 01:43 AM

                                                              On weekends when all the other joints are packed, Umberto's is quite acceptable. That is to say, it's good enough. and the prices as well.

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                                                                gremlin608 RE: desol81 Mar 10, 2009 11:42 AM

                                                                I have to disagree with desol81, we went to Umbertos a couple of months ago because Zero Trotto Novo was full and the food was mediocre at best. Portions were smaller than in the past, and the ingredients weren't very fresh. It's seafood so for it not to be fresh isn't a good thing. Arthur Ave can be very touristy. IMHO, Roberto's and Zero Trotto Novo are hands down the best. Pasquale Rigolettos is good for red sauce (but not as good as Enzos on Williamsbridge road...which is much better than the one they opened a couple of years ago on Arthur Ave). Emilia's, Dominicks, Marios have all seen better days in the past and Ann and Tony's is possibly one of the worst Italian restaurants that I've ever eaten at. They are so bad that they don't even have Arthur Ave bread and the breadshop is next door...Mikes deli is still very good, Vincents meat market wonderful, Randazzo's seafood is fresh, and casa de mozzarella is WONDERFUL. Shop there, but know where to eat before spending your money there.

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                                                                  HowfreshEats RE: gremlin608 Mar 10, 2009 12:36 PM

                                                                  A spot worthy of mention is Catania's Pizza at the end of Arthur Ave.- where it hits Crescent Ave./184th St. They make the best (and possibly the only) mini calzones I've ever had. Mini pockets of ricotta, ricotta & sausage, ricotta & meat, and veal and peppers. About 3"x3". Delicious. They get their ricotta daily from Calandra's across the street. As the weather gets nicer these are perfect to-go and enjoy as you walk around the neighborhood or zoo or gardens. Only problem is that they are closed on Sundays.

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                                                                  2305 Arthur Ave, Bronx, NY 10458

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                                                                    soundsource RE: HowfreshEats May 4, 2011 11:30 AM

                                                                    Tra Di Noi on 187th St. Da Best

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                                                                    622 E 187th St, Bronx, NY 10458

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