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Maria Elena Schiffrin Jun 18, 1998 06:51 AM

Anyone know of a good eatery near Noguchi Museum (Vernon Blvd between 33rd Road and 10th St,Queens)? Blue Guide says Astoria is a 15 minute walk.

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    Steve Plotnicki RE: Maria Elena Schiffrin Jun 18, 1998 08:20 AM

    You don't have to go that far. There is good Italian
    food at Manducati's which is on Jackson Avenue in
    L.I.C. I'm not sure exactly where the museum is but, it
    can't be more than a 5 minute walk to the restaurant.
    Though it's true that Astoria is only a 15 minute walk
    from the museum, the part that is populated with good
    restaurants is more like a 30-40 minute walk. It's not
    a particularly scenic walk either. It's easy enough to
    jump on the subway at Queens Plaza. Astoria is such a
    gold mine of good eating, that it's hard to recommend
    just one restaurant so I'll try and give you the
    standard-bearers. Elias Corner at 31st St. and 24th
    Avenue is arguably one of the best seafood restaurants
    in the city. Uncle George's Tavern, is famous for their
    quality to price ratio. Karyatis at 35-03 Broadway is
    on the upscale side. There are countless others. If
    you wander up Broadway or 30th Avenue between 31st
    Street and Steinway Street your choices will be
    plentiful. Wherever you decide to eat, you will find
    that you are surrounded by Greek pastry shops. Save
    room for dessert and coffee.

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      Gary Cheong RE: Steve Plotnicki Jun 19, 1998 12:29 AM

      I was just at Elias Corner a few weeks ago. I have to
      disagree that it is "arguably one of the best seafood
      restaurants in the city". The only thing I enjoyed
      was the fried cheese. Calamari was only passable, the
      grilled octopus was extremely rubbery, the grilled
      fish very unremarkable, the shrimp inedible. It seems
      everything NEEDED a squeeze of lemon juice to rescue
      it. I left declaring that I do not want to see
      another piece of lemon for the next week !!

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        Maria Elena Schiffrin RE: Gary Cheong Jun 20, 1998 09:22 AM

        Many thanks for excellent tips on 5 Star Diner, Socrates Sculpture, Manducati and unscenic distance from Astoria. Re the Greek restaurants, in June Down the Hatch newsletter (arrived yesterday) Jim Leff says the Greeks you recommend have been sadly Zagatized and he is exploring others for next edition.

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          Gary Cheong RE: Maria Elena Schiffrin Jun 21, 1998 06:59 PM

          " Re the Greek restaurants, in June Down the Hatch
          newsletter (arrived yesterday) Jim Leff says the
          Greeks you recommend have been sadly Zagatized and he
          is exploring others for next edition. "

          You should address that to Steve's post, not mine.
          Take Jim's advice about Astoria Greek restaurants --
          he is right. My post about Elias Corner confirms his
          opinion.

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            Pat Hammond RE: Gary Cheong Oct 6, 1998 01:57 PM

            Gary, what IS good (not necessarily Greek!) near the
            museum? pat

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              Gary Cheong RE: Pat Hammond Oct 6, 1998 05:59 PM

              I would defer to others who know the area better. You
              already know how I feel about some of the Greek places
              near there.

              Maybe Jeremy Osner can be of more help.

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                Jeremy Osner RE: Gary Cheong Oct 7, 1998 10:28 AM

                Well, I haven't been down that way in a little while.
                My fave in the neighborhood (and btw in regard to the
                history of this thread, the Greek restaurants in
                Astoria aren't actually that close to the Noguchi
                museum...) is probably the 5 Star Diner, which I've
                written about earlier in this thread. Also there is an
                Italian restaurant near there that I've never been to
                but that intrigues me every time I walk by it, I think
                it's on Crescent and 31st or 29th.

                What else? There generally are not too many
                restaurants that far west. If you don't mind a bit of a
                walk there is always Kabab Cafe on Steinway, that's
                about 1 1/2 miles from Noguchi. There are a lot of
                restaurants on and near Steinway that I have never been
                to but have heard good things about. A bit of a walk in
                a different direction will get you to the
                excellent Pearson's Texas Barbecue, and numerous other
                restaurants near Vernon and Jackson.

                Hope this helps,
                Jeremy

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                  pat hammond RE: Jeremy Osner Oct 7, 1998 12:14 PM

                  Thank you both. Bar b que sounds good to me! pat

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            Jeremy Osner RE: Maria Elena Schiffrin Jun 22, 1998 01:33 PM

            How can I subscribe to the Down the Hatch newsletter?

            (I tried to post this question on General Topics but
            the server won't have any of it.)

            Thanks,
            Jeremy

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              Maria Elena Schiffrin RE: Jeremy Osner Jun 26, 1998 06:06 AM

              Down the Hatch cost $10 or $12 a year (bi-monthly) Robert Sietsema edits, Jim Leff does a page. Published by Mofungo Foundation, 92 Perry Street,#9, NYNY 10014

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                Jeremy Osner RE: Maria Elena Schiffrin Jun 26, 1998 08:08 AM

                Thanks Maria!

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                  Jim Leff RE: Maria Elena Schiffrin Jun 26, 1998 01:48 PM

                  "Down the Hatch cost $10 or $12 a year (bi-monthly)
                  Robert Sietsema edits, Jim Leff does a page. Published
                  by Mofungo Foundation, 92 Perry Street,#9, NYNY 10014 "

                  ...but that ambiguity in price should give you an
                  inkling to the impenetrability of Down the Hatch's
                  subscription policy. Robert tries to keep circulation
                  small, so that policy remains pretty hush-hush.

                  Hey, Robert, do you want to pipe in here? Any chance
                  people sending in $12 and mentioning "Chowhound" might
                  be annointed with subscriptions, or is the list getting
                  too long again?

                  JIM

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                    robert sietsema RE: Jim Leff Oct 8, 1998 08:52 PM

                    hey, any chowhound reader is a friend of mine. i'll accept subs as long as i think i can make that many. if i'm inundated i'll stop accepting. it's never been a problem, since who want to read pages of drivel!

                    --r.

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          Jeremy Osner RE: Maria Elena Schiffrin Jun 18, 1998 08:34 AM

          There is a good Indian restaurant a little ways south
          of Noguchi Museum. The 5 Star diner at 13-15 43rd Ave.
          While you are in the neighborhood be sure to check out
          the Socrates Sculpture Garden at Broadway and Vernon --
          there is some beautiful work there.

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            Steve Plotnicki RE: Maria Elena Schiffrin Jun 23, 1998 12:07 AM

            Maria-I must disagree with both Jim's and Gary's
            assessment of Elias Corner. I've been eating at Elias
            Corner for at least 5-6 years. I have been there at
            least 5 times in the the last year which is after it's
            "Zagatization." Since my objective is to send you to a
            restaurant that I am confident you will enjoy, not to
            a restaurant that is undiscovered, if you decide to
            eat at Elias Corner, I'm sure you will be quite happy.
            A number of months ago there was a similar clash of
            opinions about Telly's Taverna, which is a restaurant
            started by an ex grillman at Elias Corner. Jim and
            others, took the "it's not good anymore" side of the
            argument and Lisa Antinori(arguably the best poster,
            where has she gone?) wrote about good meals she had
            recently had there. Deja Vu. Now even though I prefer
            Elias to Telly's, either place would be a fine choice
            for your purposes. In fact, all of the choices would
            be fine. I just hope you enjoy your meal and don't get
            caught up in the shallow intelectual foodie mumbo-
            jumbo that can appear on this board.

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              Jim Leff RE: Steve Plotnicki Jun 23, 1998 12:40 AM

              steve, the tone of your message is really uncalled
              for. I don't like Elias much these days, I think
              it's a shadow of its former self. Nonetheless, I
              think you're TOTALLY entitled to your opinion...and
              in any case I'd hope you'd allow me and others our
              opinions, without deriding them as "shallow
              intelectual [sic] foodie mumbo-jumbo".

              "Since my objective is to send you to a restaurant
              that I am confident you will enjoy, not to a
              restaurant that is undiscovered"
              If you or anyone else thinks I've ever touted an
              inferior place just because it was obscure, or
              dismissed a good place just because it's
              well-known, speak now. I sure don't think I have...
              My problem isn't that Elias and Telly's et al are
              in Zagat...my problem is with what happened as a
              result.
              Food quite rightly inspires strong opinions, and
              this is a place for passionate opinionated
              no-holds-barred discussion. But "is too/is not"
              chatter and disparaging comments just detract.
              Ciao

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                Steve Plotnicki RE: Jim Leff Jun 24, 1998 03:01 AM

                Sorry Jim but, it's Gary's tone and message that I
                object to and reacted to. He could have easily have
                steered Maria to a different restaurant by suggesting
                one that he likes better. His trashing of Elias, in
                this context was something that was uncalled for. As I
                said in my post, the same debate raged in Lisa's
                Telly's post. A similar example of this is when
                someone asked about Istria Sports Club. You, I believe
                responded by asking why anyone would want to go to
                that place (an entirely inappropriate response in my
                opinion since this board should be about giving people
                the information they ask for without their having to
                suffer any recrimination for their choices). Instead
                Lisa, ended up responding to the poster and thoroughly
                explained what the place was about. I'm glad that she
                did because about a month ago, using her post as my
                guide, I ate there and I thought the place was really
                good. So good, that I went back with friends 2 weeks
                ago. Now it's in the context of these posts that I
                posted my response to Gary. His calling Elias Corner
                "crap", was nothing but a diservice to Maria who asked
                a simple question about where to eat and who has
                probably never ventured into the wilds of Queens
                before. Why an answer that recommended the "obvious
                choices" needed to be criticized, beats me. As for my
                "undiscovered comment", that's the inference I draw
                from the criticism of "crap" being so out of
                proportion with any possible degradation in food that
                the place might have suffered. Like I said, I ate there
                5-6 times over the last year and it wasn't "crap".

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                  Jim Leff RE: Steve Plotnicki Jun 24, 1998 04:47 PM

                  "He could have easily have steered Maria to a different
                  restaurant by suggesting one that he likes better"

                  no he couldn't, because he doesn't KNOW a better one.
                  And though I in my writing try to mostly write positive
                  reviews (though it does require lots more work to
                  ferret out treasure), I certainly think there's value
                  in warning people away from places that are
                  overrated...and I agree with Gary that Elias is very
                  very overrated.

                  "giving people the information they ask for without
                  their having to suffer any recrimination for their
                  choices"
                  I never blast people, I just blast restaurants. And no,
                  I don't have much positive to say about Elias Corner,
                  the Istrian place on Astoria Boulevard (or, for that
                  matter, another of your other faves, Veniero's) though
                  you like them. So what? Taste varies!

                  "Instead Lisa ended up responding to the poster and
                  thoroughly explained what the place was about"

                  Lisa has more spare time than I do. If you feel that I
                  need to give every question my absolute and full
                  attention, provide corroborating evidence and offer
                  better alternatives every single time, I think you're
                  being unreasonably demanding of me. I volunteer my time
                  (and a significant proportion of my meager savings) to
                  keep this place going while juggling two extremely
                  demanding careers. Most people here seem pretty happy
                  that I've provide this service and community. But even
                  aside from Chowhound.com, I'm busy to the point of
                  frantic.

                  "Why an answer that recommended the "obvious choices"
                  needed to be criticized, beats me"

                  because in the case of Greek Astoria, the obvious
                  choices ARE for the most part crap. There are lots of
                  things in the world that are both great AND popular
                  (Miles Davis, Picasso, juicy crab buns, etc etc). But
                  lots more things are populary and crappy. That's life.
                  Ciao

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                    Lisa Antinore RE: Jim Leff Jun 25, 1998 06:16 PM

                    Not to add more wood to the fire, BUT (you knew that awful preposition was coming, huh?...)

                    between teaching 6 different grade levels daily, writing my weekly restaurant column, working on my book project, volunteering for God's Love We Deliver, organizing a chapter of Big Brother/Sister, running the school newspaper, being a dutiful Sicilian daughter, going to the gym, and EATING (of course...) I really don't think I have that much spare time.

                    The only reason I chose to write about the soccer club was for the same reason I choose to write about any dining experience- I liked it a lot! It didn't matter to me that Jim didn't it and I in no way think my opinions are better than anyone's or vice versa. People are allowed to disagree and this is what makes life so fascinating and enjoyable.

                    I think everyone should have a cool lemonade (at City Bakery of course...) and RELAX!!! It's getting tres painful to read this succession of postings.

                    Here's to Happy Eating and a good disagreement every now and then...

                    Lisa

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                      Lisa Antinore RE: Jim Leff Jun 25, 1998 06:16 PM

                      Not to add more wood to the fire, BUT (you knew that awful preposition was coming, huh?...)

                      between teaching 6 different grade levels daily, writing my weekly restaurant column, working on my book project, volunteering for God's Love We Deliver, organizing a chapter of Big Brother/Sister, running the school newspaper, being a dutiful Sicilian daughter, going to the gym, and EATING (of course...) I really don't think I have that much spare time.

                      The only reason I chose to write about the soccer club was for the same reason I choose to write about any dining experience- I liked it a lot! It didn't matter to me that Jim didn't it and I in no way think my opinions are better than anyone's or vice versa. People are allowed to disagree and this is what makes life so fascinating and enjoyable.

                      I think everyone should have a cool lemonade (at City Bakery of course...) and RELAX!!! It's getting tres painful to read this succession of postings.

                      Here's to Happy Eating and a good disagreement every now and then...

                      Lisa

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                      Gary Cheong RE: Steve Plotnicki Jun 24, 1998 06:51 PM

                      " Sorry Jim but, it's Gary's tone and message that I
                      object to and reacted to. "

                      Now wait a minute -- get your time-line right. In my
                      first post, I said I disagreed with your choice of
                      Elias Corner and listed the bad stuff I had. What
                      recrimination did I engage in (either to you or
                      Maria)? Did I insult you or shoot down your other
                      suggestions ? NO.

                      I guess my crime of contradicting you on Elias Corner
                      elicited that "shallow intellectual foodie" remark.
                      Like I said, you are entitled to your opinion and I to
                      mine. I have the perfect right to disagree -- Maria
                      should hear all sides of the story. Where is there a
                      disservice to her ? I used the word "Crap" in my
                      second post to you to emphasize that I AM entitled to
                      my opinion of the food there. What's "crap" to me
                      might be "wonderful" to you, and that's perfectly ok
                      with me.

                      Enough said.

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                        Maria Elena Schiffrin RE: Steve Plotnicki Jun 25, 1998 04:54 PM

                        Hey, I have too ventured into the wilds of Queens before - many times, and many other places in search of good grub. I was even congratulated by Jim Leff himself for venturing to Jersey City for Indian food, and was a regular at Primorski's about twenty years ago.Not to mention the Portuguese in Jersey - fifteen (?) years ago.

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                      Gary Cheong RE: Steve Plotnicki Jun 23, 1998 01:47 AM

                      Steve -- disagreeing with my opinion on Elias Corner
                      is just fine with me. I am sure that you might hate
                      some of the places I recommend. In my post, it is the
                      restaurant's food that I bash. I would disagree with
                      your opinion, but NEVER ever have I attacked or
                      ridiculed your tastes (or any one else's).

                      What makes you think you know me well enough to accuse
                      me of "shallow intellectual foodie mumbo jumbo" ? I
                      am not a writer, thinker or foodie wannabe -- but I do
                      have strong opinions, and a very good instinct of
                      what is good food and what is garbage. And I stand by
                      my opinion that most of the stuff at Elias is CRAP !!!

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                        Maria Elena Schiffrin RE: Steve Plotnicki Jun 25, 1998 05:05 PM

                        Thanks very much for your advice. Lisa Antinore says she has been offered a job reviewing restaurants for (I think she said) a string of local papers. Beginning of a great career of great benefit to humankind.
                        I like this site very much and am extremely grateful to Jim Leff. Hope he doesn't collapse.

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