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  <id>230551</id>
  <title>Best Burger?</title>
  <published_at>Mon Jan 23 17:28:55 -0800 2006</published_at>
  <post_count>38</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>18</id>
    <name>Manhattan</name>
  </board>
  <posts>
    <post>
      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>1224337</id>
        <content>What and where is the best NYC Burger, and what makes it so good?
 
thanks</content>
        <published_at>Mon Jan 23 17:28:55 -0800 2006</published_at>
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        <user>
          <id>0</id>
          <name>jona</name>
        </user>
      </post>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1224343</id>
      <content>Now that McHale's is SADLY gone, I'd have to say that Faneli's is pretty damn good.  The Corner Bistro is classic, but the wait and the meat-loaf-sized burgers make it a close second.  I'd also recommend Jane Street Tavern, catty-corner from Corner Bistro.  </content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 23 17:41:50 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Josh Eisenman</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>1224360</id>
      <content>the last time i went to fanelli's i had a burger.
It was like a hockey buck on a roll.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 23 19:46:20 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224343</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>my3sons</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>1224460</id>
      <content>Westville is great.....it's a little bit of a scene but has anyone tried Lucky Strike in Soho?  There fries are great also</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 24 11:02:11 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224360</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Eddie</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1224348</id>
      <content>A popular (and heated) subject so check past posts.
 
A name you won't see but should is Westville.  
1) The patty is the perfect thickness
2) The patty tastes meaty but not gamey
3) The bun is slightly sweet and strong enough to hold the jucy patty
 
It's perfection.  Really.  I've had all the famous ones(Corner B., JG Melon's, Burger Joint, Better Burger, DB Bistro, Rare, PJ Clarks, McHales,  Michael J's, Shake Shack, Soup Burg, Prime Burger, etc.)  I've even had some other great unknows (Nice Matin, Chumley's, Aix, Tavern on Jane).  
 
This is the best.</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 23 18:23:15 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>NativeNewYorker</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>1224405</id>
      <content>I like Shake Shack the best, but they are closed for the season. Burger Joint in the Parker Meridien hotel is also awesome. I've heard the Luger burger (go for lunch) is unreal.
 
Where is Westville?</content>
      <published_at>Mon Jan 23 23:37:15 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224348</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Traz0r</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>1224436</id>
      <content>on the corner of W 10th/W 4th</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 24 09:57:37 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224405</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>dyre</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>1229700</id>
      <content>Stay clear of Westville, they serve their burgers on a flimsy english muffin.  Plus, you have to put up with their lousy attitude.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Mar 02 14:31:33 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224436</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Hungry Mike</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>1229737</id>
      <content>Stay clear of Westville, they serve their burgers on a flimsy english muffin.  Plus, you have to put up with their lousy attitude.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Mar 02 16:34:16 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224436</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Hungry Mike</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>1992930</id>
      <content>It's not an English muffin.  It's a Portuguese roll, and it's perfect.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 02 23:16:39 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1229737</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14446</id>
        <name>NAtiveNewYorker</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>1224453</id>
      <content>Wollenski's Grill.
 
They grind the filet tips for the burgers.  </content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 24 10:28:05 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224348</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>e.kaye</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>1224529</id>
      <content>I'm not excited about burgers made partially out of filet (although this is probably not that unusual a practice).  Burger meat should come from flavorful cuts with a decent amount of fat.  The filet fails on both accounts.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 24 14:08:31 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224453</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>zEli173</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>1224561</id>
      <content>Agreed.  Pieces of filet have no business being in a burger.  </content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 24 15:06:12 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224529</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>ES</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1224541</id>
      <content>The burgers at Walkers, on North Moore and Hudson in Tribeca are great.  Also, even though Veselka's is known for its Ukrainian food, their burgers are awesome.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 24 14:34:24 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>eastvillagegirl</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1224545</id>
      <content>I have two places that are my favorites for burgers:
 
#1 - Molly's 22nd Street &amp; Third Avenue. Have never ever been disappointed with the burgers at Molly's. Fresh tasty beef; never pre-cooked and broiled to order. The bun stands up to the beef and I love the pubby cozy atmosphere and the waitresses who have been there for ages. Sit in a booth near the fireplace on a rainy day and have a Guinness and burger and you'll see what I mean. Blows all the other pseudo pubs out of the water.
 
#2 - Waterfront Ale House, 30th Street &amp; 2nd Avenue.
Another beefy tasty burger with delicious thick ridgey fries on the side are burger nirvana for me. Delicious. 
 
Both Molly's and Waterfront are reasonable and attract locals and people from other areas on the weekend. A big difference from the frat boy crowd you'll see at some of the other well-known burger joints that IMO aren't half as good.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 24 14:43:23 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>Flynn</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>1224563</id>
      <content>Those are two of my favorites, as well.  In addition to the burgers, their onion rings at Molly's and the Waffle Fries and fresh popcorn at Waterfront are great.  Plus Waterfront has a great selection of tap and bottled beer.  
 
Other favorites
-Peter Luger's (Note - lunch only)
-Burger Joint 
-Shake Shack
-Blue Smoke
 
I've stopped going to Corner Bistro because they've been precooking their burgers for while now.  That just absolutely destroys a burger.  Last time I went, the burger was barely edible.
 
</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 24 15:11:01 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224545</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>ES</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>1224564</id>
      <content>I second Molly's - burgers are great and..... they are really nice there....
 
One day go to Corner Bistro and Molly's back to back... you'll never put up with the 'tude again</content>
      <published_at>Tue Jan 24 15:11:18 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224545</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>0</id>
        <name>dyre</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1898905</id>
      <content>Has anyone tried the burger ay 5 points on Great Jones? Aside from the brunch, that I think is scrumptious, the burger and 4 cheese mac and cheese are to dye for. I defy someone to find better!</content>
      <published_at>Sun Sep 24 19:39:08 -0700 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>42772</id>
        <name>lynny_lynny</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>1970356</id>
      <content>Despite the hectic and crowded atmosphere, J.G. Melons has to have the best burgers. The staff is great.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Oct 25 01:24:36 -0700 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1898905</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>48398</id>
        <name>eecsierrrr</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>1980468</id>
      <content>I actually thought the service was lacking when I went, though I've only been there once - I didn't even expect great service, but certainly not the level of curtness that I got, and it wasn't particularly busy at the time...

The burger itself was great though, as were the cottage fries (gotta order them separately).</content>
      <published_at>Sun Oct 29 06:02:50 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1970356</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14388</id>
        <name>theannerska</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>1980862</id>
      <content>The burgers are great, but the staff is notoriously brusqe.</content>
      <published_at>Sun Oct 29 16:38:51 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1970356</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>21566</id>
        <name>tbear</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>1985957</id>
      <content>I was disappointed with the burger at Five Points,it had a surprising lack of flavor. It was cooked medium so maybe the trick is to have it rare or medium rare. Either that or it was an off day. I agree with you though on their mac and cheese, very addictive.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Oct 31 17:47:20 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1898905</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13035</id>
        <name>bobby06877</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1979946</id>
      <content>I just got back from my first visit "behind the curtain" and boy was I ready for my Burger Joint experience!  Perhaps it's best when high expectations don't get in the way.  The burger was good (fries and brownie were better, but I had no expectations of those).  If I were in that neighborhood and in the mood for a burger, no question, I'd go to the Burger Joint.  I just wouldn't go out of my way.

But like the folks who love Molly's (and I'm making a point of going there) -- I have my "never disappoint" burgers.  Big Nick's is my favorite and coming up number two with a bullet, Texas BBQ on B'way and 97th.  I'm always completely satisfied by these burgers.  They are my "go-to" burgers.</content>
      <published_at>Sat Oct 28 22:14:59 -0700 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>22569</id>
        <name>amyleechen</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1980324</id>
      <content>As a "Sweatshirt Guy" I knows burgers. Try Flight 151s on 8th Ave.  Good stuff.</content>
      <published_at>Sun Oct 29 03:11:44 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>41268</id>
        <name>Sweatshirt Guy</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>1980351</id>
      <content>Okay, SG -- will do!</content>
      <published_at>Sun Oct 29 03:40:48 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1980324</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>22569</id>
        <name>amyleechen</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2007885</id>
      <content>We made it to Molly's on Saturday evening.  Great burgers -- juicy, cheesy and very filling.  Still love my Big Nick's and Texas BBQ, but Molly's is up on the list.

I sure love these boards!</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 09 05:16:42 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1980351</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>22569</id>
        <name>amyleechen</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1985886</id>
      <content>I reallllly want to try the new restaurant BLT.  Also, the best turkey burger I have ever had in life was at The Den in Harlem. Smokey, seasoned, thick and flavorful! YUMMMM!</content>
      <published_at>Tue Oct 31 17:32:37 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>18198</id>
        <name>Uptownflavor</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1985962</id>
      <content>I would agree with the recommendations for Mollys. I had my first Molly burger a few months ago and have been dying to go back. I also loved their fries. Jane also has a good burger, I am surprised it is not mentioned more often. Finally, if you can put up with the scene and aggravation of the reservation process, Pastis has a great burger.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Oct 31 17:49:55 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13035</id>
        <name>bobby06877</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1991231</id>
      <content>Without question the best burgers are at JG Melons.  If you're idea of a great burger is not an enormous slab of beef, than JG Melons is the place for you.  Nice sized burgers...juicy.  Must try, just be prepared for tight quarters as the space is small and usually super crowded.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 02 15:15:47 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>50526</id>
        <name>jessicah15</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1992034</id>
      <content>I'm surprised no one has mentioned fairways. They have excellent burgers and if you like them you can go to their meat market downstairs and buy them raw. I think they are better than Burger Joint.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 02 18:55:05 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>43484</id>
        <name>dpastor</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1992188</id>
      <content>Fairway Cafe is a hidden gem for B'fast, lunch &amp; dinner.  The big boy b'fast w/the mini pancakes &amp; real vermont maple syrup always hits the spot.  Best chicken soup &amp; BLT combo around for lunch.  The dinner menu is somewhat eclectic-I've had the burgers &amp; they are good just uneven.  Last time I was there they gave me a miniburger-seriously it was a pygmy sized hamburger that I gulped down in 3 bites.  I ordered another and they brought me a burger 3 times bigger that I couldn't finish-quite bizarre but tasty. Good fries too. And great selection of wines by the glass that are dirt cheap...</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 02 19:35:40 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>16919</id>
        <name>Fallon</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1992799</id>
      <content>I have to defend Corner Bistro.  While the burgers are not always consistent, when you get a great one you're in heaven.  I've also never had a pre-cooked burger.  Plus they deep fry the bacon and the fries in the same fryer so they both taste like bacon.
They have made a few changes over the years, but have rarely let me down for years.  As for the attitude, I find it comforting to know that everyone has to wait in the same line regardless of who they are / think they are.  I also think it makes the burger taste better since you're starving/drunk by the time you get to the front of the line.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 02 22:30:23 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13132</id>
        <name>FranklinTeany</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>1992886</id>
      <content>I thought Molly's closed? As far as attitude at Westville, I never experienced it, plus the place is full of hot chicks every day. What's not to like? The burger is great there, also the turkey burger.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 02 23:00:25 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>14308</id>
        <name>sing me a bar</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2008570</id>
      <content>I was at Molly's last night for a post-election celebratory cheddar cheeseburger and a couple of pints. I mean Molly's Shebeen at 287 3rd Avenue between 22nd and 23rd.

The burger was cooked to order (medium rare) and the cheddar melted perfectly on both the meat and bun. It had that wonderful cahr taste and was juicy and delcious. My friend got the fries and I had the onion rings and both were very good.

Besides having one of the best burgers in town, it's hard to find a spot more warm and welcoming than Molly's and the decor and ambiance are just perfect!</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 09 16:20:34 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1992886</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>24539</id>
        <name>livetotravel</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2008642</id>
      <content>Ok, so I'm gonna stick my toe in the water on this one.  If anyone cares to search my posts over the years (I used to post under "Nor'easter" on the old board), you'll find that I've always been a big fan of the burger joint.  I ate there again last night (my friend and I had a ridiculously gluttonous meal, each consuming two burgers, a bag of fries, half a pitcher of beer, a brownie, and a shake!), and although I loved it, I think I've concluded that there must be a better burger out there.  Don't get me wrong, bj's burgers a great, but probably not "best burger" material.  They definitely benefit from the environment in which they are served (as does Shake Shack: I could be wrong, but I don't think SS's burgers would fare as well as they do were it not for the setting; that said, I think environment is a VERY important element of the enjoyment of food).

So where are my ramblings going?  I will continue to enjoy my bj burgers, but I think it's time for me to venture out and sample some of the others discussed in this and other similar threads.  I'll report back!</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 09 16:41:11 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10820</id>
        <name>Blumie</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2008915</id>
      <content>I never see this listed among the best burgers in nyc but my absolute favorite is at Veselka on 2nd ave. and 9th st. I had been going there for years for decent pierogies and sandwiches before trying the burger and could not believe what i'd been missing.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 09 17:48:03 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>52118</id>
        <name>etowernyc</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>2057422</id>
      <content>I agree with etowernyc regarding the burgers at Veselka--they are incredible!  Veselka gets all their meat from the East Village Meat Market, which is right across the street on 2nd Ave &amp; 9th Street, and it is one of the best meat markets in NYC.  Veselka is known for their great Ukranian food, but, who knew they had such fabulous burgers?  www.veselka.com</content>
      <published_at>Thu Nov 30 03:28:10 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2008915</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11821</id>
        <name>eastvillagegirl</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>2063972</id>
      <content>I join you two is recommending Veselka - one of the most underappreciated burgers in the city - it was a true revelation the first time I ate one. And, they get medium rare.</content>
      <published_at>Sat Dec 02 15:02:56 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>2057422</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>24539</id>
        <name>livetotravel</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>2061559</id>
      <content>Prime Burger East 50's--the best</content>
      <published_at>Fri Dec 01 15:28:59 -0800 2006</published_at>
      <parent_id>1224337</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>55914</id>
        <name>marlie202</name>
      </user>
    </post>
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