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Pastrami Alert - Stay Away from Carnegie Deli

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Kupferaga Jan 5, 2006 09:10 AM

Had friends in from out of town and they wanted to visit the Carnegie Deli for a sandwich. Although I wan ambivalent I brought them there just to be a good host.

Results: TERRIBLE FOOD, BAD SERVICE and they only take cash - which means you will need to carry several hundred dollars for dinner.

How could such a sub-mediocre place continue to thrive?

Seriously, the Pastrami was the worst that I have ever had.

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    RGR RE: Kupferaga Jan 5, 2006 09:28 AM

    I've never been a fan of Carnegie because I think the food is pretty awful. Note, though, that Katz's also only takes cash. But the pastrami is sublime!

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      CornflakeGirl RE: RGR Jan 5, 2006 10:26 AM

      You should have taken them to Katz's. CD is strictly a tourist trap. Mediocre food at best.

      Plus it lacks the old world charm of Katz's.

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        bobjbkln RE: RGR Jan 5, 2006 10:49 AM

        I'll let you in on a well hidden secret. Katz's does take credit cards. Just not up front at the cash register, but back by the Salami sales. They then mark your ticket so you can return it as you leave past the guy that gives out the tickets. You don't have to wait at the cash resgister line.

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          CornflakeGirl RE: bobjbkln Jan 5, 2006 11:03 AM

          Do they take them only if you get salami, hot dogs, knoblewurst, etc. by the lb. to go? Or if you've had table service/counter service as well?

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            MK RE: CornflakeGirl Jan 5, 2006 11:09 AM

            I have used a credit card when purchasing the ONLY pastrami worth consuming.

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              Wilfrid RE: CornflakeGirl Jan 5, 2006 02:17 PM

              I know they will take them for table/counter service - I do not know if there's a minimum charge.

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                bobjbkln RE: CornflakeGirl Jan 6, 2006 12:14 PM

                They will take it for anything.

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            Cpalms RE: Kupferaga Jan 5, 2006 01:52 PM

            several hundred dollars?? thats alotta crappy pastrami

            1. erica RE: Kupferaga Nov 8, 2007 05:34 AM

              Ok so the pastrami is bad.. I have only been once and did not like the place...felt like an overpriced tourist trap to me. (Prefer Katz or even Sarges until the 2nd Ave Deli opens)

              But friends from out-of-town want to go here (reminds me of Kupferanga's situation) ..what is their best sandwich? How is the corned beef?? They must have somthing good in order to remain around for so long, no??

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                jfood RE: erica Nov 8, 2007 05:42 AM

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                the CD is not like it used to be but it is still a great place to bring out of towners. the pastrami is still very good but when compare the the Mecca of Meat - Katz's everything is second tier. Jfood goes there at least once a year for a fix, usually the week after the cardiologist appointment. :-))

                The thing he misses the most is the old time waiters, they were straight from the Borscht Belt. Now the staff is more diverse and ordering a sandwich is just not as much fun, "you vant dat on seedless?" Oh how jfood misses that eastern european question.

                And to the question of what to order, go for the "Woody Allen" and split it. Jfood has eaten one by himself but it was a heck of an afternoon upon returning to the office. The fries are also fat wedges cooked cripy outside and moist inside.

                Yes, it's a tourist trap, but watching the faces of the people when they see the double-deckers hit the table is priceless.

              2. dkstar1 RE: Kupferaga Nov 8, 2007 08:01 AM

                uh, yeah. It's miserable there...just about everything about it actually: food, service, lines, cost.

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                  erica RE: dkstar1 Nov 8, 2007 10:28 AM

                  I will do my best to convince my visitors to go to Katz. I am still puzzled as to how Carnegie can stay in business..is the clientele virtually all tourists??

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                    sam1 RE: erica Nov 8, 2007 10:53 AM

                    i disagree...i think its second only to katz's for pastrami or corned beef...but i only get it delivered...usually for lunch meetings.

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                      ajs42548 RE: erica Nov 8, 2007 11:31 AM

                      Just tell your visitors that it was in Katz's where they filmed that famous orgasm scene in When Harry met Sally.

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                        JSHAFT78 RE: ajs42548 Nov 8, 2007 12:24 PM

                        If you look at any NYC tourist guide, the Carnegie Deli is made out to be the place where all the famous people have gone and things of that sort. Katz's is mentioned, but almost always later in the deli restaurant section. It's easy to stay in business when Foder's is giving you free advertising. Look at it this way, if the tourists all pack into Carnegie, shortens the wait for a spot at good places like Katz's for those of us who know

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                          ricky7 RE: JSHAFT78 Nov 8, 2007 01:41 PM

                          plus look at the location on 7th ave, its tourist central. you think the average tourist has any idea where E Houston street is, much yet pronounce it correctly.
                          Katz's rules.

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                            RGR RE: JSHAFT78 Nov 8, 2007 02:12 PM

                            The situation with Carnegie is exactly the same as with Tavern on the Green, i.e., listed in Fodor's, Frommer's, etc., as *the* place for tourists to go for deli and, in the case of TotG, "fine" dining. Yeah, right! lol

                            P.S. to ricky7: If you've ever looked at my LES food tour, the first stop is Katz's, and I make it a point to tell visitor exactly how to pronounce "How-stun" St. :-)

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                              Shayna Madel RE: RGR Nov 8, 2007 02:48 PM

                              I've looked at the tour and vow to do it. Just hope I can do so before it gets too cold this year. Love some of the places listed and am curious about others. If I want to pace myself for the other places, do I skip Yona Schimmel, in particular to leave room for Katz's and Russ & Daughters? Would your opinion change if I told you I am a mere 2 subway stops from Knish Nosh, so it's not as if I would end up going without knishes, anyway?

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                                addictedtolunch RE: Shayna Madel Nov 8, 2007 03:15 PM

                                Shayna one, your instincts are shayna as well- skip Yonah, keep room for Katz's and Russ/Daughters. Circle back up to Ave. A and 7th for an egg cream for dessert. And besides, Knish Nosh's knish is so far superior to Yonah Schimmel's that you'll just be mad that you bothered.

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                                  Shayna Madel RE: addictedtolunch Nov 8, 2007 04:25 PM

                                  I have had Yonah, don't hate them, but don't think they're so incredible that I have to have them and think I would much rather have fabulous deli meat and appetizing. I have a good appetite, but power-eating can only take me so far, especially since the person I am going to talk into doing this with me is my sister, the gastric bypass patient, who lost about 120 lbs and has kept it off for nearly 5 years and she is sometimes not able to participate in food sharing...

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                                  RGR RE: Shayna Madel Nov 8, 2007 04:27 PM

                                  Well, I haven't been to Knish Nosh, so I can't compare. The reason Y.S. is on the tour is that it's a NYC institution. But I admit the knishes can be hit or miss, so if you want to miss it, by all means....

                                  I think it's best to take the tour with at least one other person so you can do a lot of sharing.

                                  Also, since Russ & Daughters is strictly take-out and you live in NYC, you can skip over it at the beginning, then circle back at the end and buy stuff to take home. If you decide to do that, then take home some bialys from Kossar's as well.

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                                    Shayna Madel RE: RGR Nov 8, 2007 04:44 PM

                                    Thanks for the info. I fully understand why you include it and probably would myself. As I said, don't hate them, was just trying to figure out how to make choices. Probably will be lulled into picking up some of the red cabbage ones. I get very tempted when I go on food excursions.

                                    I just have to get to R & D one way or the other, as Mom still proudly talks about how great the stuff was when she catered in my brother's bris 45 years ago! I am craving sable and a decent bialy as I type. You would think we could get good bialys in Forest Hills, but no, and no Jewish corn bread around here either, but that's another story.

                                    My sister's 15-year old son loves "adventures" and he can easily help us pick up the eating "slack," especially if he knows Economy Candy is on the itinerary.

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                              thegreekone RE: ajs42548 Nov 8, 2007 05:48 PM

                              I still go there anyway.

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                                gurmanda RE: thegreekone Nov 9, 2007 08:06 PM

                                this is a hiperbolic pose. i was at carnegie hall today and i went to CD and had the pastrami - i had never been in the 16 years i've lived in NYC because i live next to Katz's but i needed to confirm the thread....The pastrami was not bad at all, the place is not nice, doesn't have Katz's charm, service is pretty bad and is overpiced BUT the pstrami is very good. PLEASE try to be a little fair when judging food...

                        2. erica RE: Kupferaga Nov 10, 2007 03:54 AM

                          I ended up going to Carnegie last night. Three friends were very happy with their pastrami sandwiches. (I did not taste so cannot comment) I decided to try the combo of brisket and corned beef...I think it is called Woody Allen. Both were fair..I am not sure if it is my changing taste or the fact that the corned beef did not taste luscious like I remember at Katz (I only go once or twice a year) There was just something missing from both meats; sorry I cannot identify what it is..(maybe flavor from fat, as both meats were very lean)

                          My friends ordered potato knishes (2), which I tasted.. these were pretty good..larger and more messy-looking than the knishes at KnishNosh and others I have tasted..(maybe added schmaltz, or onion broth??) . I liked this one better. Carnegie French fries were also excellent, skin partly on, perhaps hand cut.

                          With 2 beers and 6 Dr. Browns sodas, the bill came to $108.oo with tax and before tip for 4 people.
                          I like Katz much much better. Clientele here looked to be all tourists. But the service was good; the male Asian waiter iin the back room was very efficient accommodating (free extra bread, etc). And I have about a pound of meat in my frig and 6 slices rye bread in my freezer!

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                            Striver RE: erica Nov 10, 2007 12:20 PM

                            At Carnegie, as at Katz's or any other deli, I always ask for extra fatty pastrami - it does make a difference. I also like Carnegie's kasha knish - I'm strictly a kasha guy - better than most in the city (although my favorite is from Hobby's Deli in Newark, NJ).

                            I definitely prefer Katz's pastrami to any anywhere, but Carnegie - although not as good as it was in the 50's and 60's - still makes a good sandwich IMHO. Good pickles, too.

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                            JFores RE: Kupferaga Nov 10, 2007 04:26 PM

                            Tourists. Just like Grimaldi's except Grimaldi's was at least good at one point... 10 years ago...

                            The pastrami at Carnegie is awful and their chopped liver is about 29 levels below Barney Greengrass. Katz's is the only way to go for pastrami in my book. I wear my Katz's shirt with pride in my rainy sad and unsavory adopted home of London (until 2011 when I am free and going to grad school in NYC!)

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