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Johns Pizza - Bleeker or 44th?

emma jenkins Apr 4, 2005 02:15 PM

Can someone tell me why one of these places is better then the other? I thought they were part of the same company - not sure. But which one is best and why?

Many thanks


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    jsmitty May 16, 2008 10:08 AM

    my faves
    una pizza neopalatana

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    1. re: jsmitty
      traumachef May 16, 2008 05:10 PM

      The first time I came to N.Y 20 years ago, I was told to go to the best pizza spot in the city "Johns on Bleecker" I thought it was worse than pizza I have ever tasted and I still do.. I grew up with bad calif. pizza and I didn't think anybody did worse pizza than Calif. I have become a pizza lover over the years, but no thanks to John's BAD burnt god awful pizza they attempt to pass of as good pizza. to call this place good pizza is an insult to pizza anywhere

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      ginsbera May 15, 2008 12:21 PM

      never been to the downtown location, but the midtown location was one of the worst dining experiences I've ever had. Poor, rude service, loud and overly touristy clientèle and pizza that I could have bought from any corner pizza shop.

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        Sheena Apr 5, 2005 09:10 PM

        Unfortunately, in the Times Square area, it's John's on W44 or nothing. You can't imagine how very good it tastes once you've been exposed to the rest of the area's "alleged" pizza...

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        1. re: Sheena
          TBird May 15, 2008 12:16 PM

          when i tire of lazzarra's, which is very hard to do, i hit john's(44th). no choice! it's not a horrific fate.

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            a_and_w May 15, 2008 12:32 PM

            Don Giovanni's also does decent brick oven pizza on 45th, though I prefer Lazzaras, too.

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          Nina W. Apr 4, 2005 09:57 PM

          Emma, check out slicenyc.com for reliable pizza information.

          For what it's worth, I recommend Arturo's too.

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          1. re: Nina W.
            big o Apr 5, 2005 12:05 PM

            It's sliceny.com

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            a&w Apr 4, 2005 05:22 PM

            I'd personally suggest Arturos in the Village or the original Patsy's in East Harlem (NOT any of the other branches) instead. If you do go to John's, I'd avoid the midtown branch. Few times I tried them the pizza wasn't bad, just thoroughly mediocre, imho. Haven't been to the downtown branch, but I hear it's better.

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              Ernie Apr 4, 2005 04:04 PM

              Go to the original on Bleeker it is better than 44th St location. Pizza is great thin-crust style and the place itself is very NYC

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                Nina W. Apr 4, 2005 02:18 PM

                Emma, they're both equally mediocre. Do you want to go there because of the pizza, or because of the institution of it?

                If you want some suggestions for good pizza, just ask!

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                1. re: Nina W.
                  Emma Apr 4, 2005 02:27 PM

                  Hi Nina,

                  I thought this place was meant to be really good? Oh well. Well I guess I want great america pizza, with lots of tomato sauce and yummy toppings :)

                  We choose it mainly because of the menu but also because we are going to be in the Times Square area on the day we want to eat lunch there. But we will also be around Cental park and radio city hall so if there is anywhere else near by that is better please let me know. OR if there is a MUST visit pizza experience then I will ensure i will find a way to fit it in.

                  Recommendations please! Bring it on!

                  Thanks so much, all this help is going to make this a trip of a life time.


                  1. re: Emma
                    sing me a bar Apr 4, 2005 03:35 PM

                    Try John's on Bleecker and make your own judgement. Without casting aspersions on someone else's opinion,I would say check it out, though the setting is a bit Spartan. Pizza is a highly charged subject here, as you can surmise.

                    1. re: Emma
                      JohnBoy Apr 4, 2005 04:45 PM

                      If you want to start an argument with a New Yorker,talk about pizza! I consider myself to be a pizza devotee and INHO John's on Bleeker is the best. I have tried all of the Manhattan pizza places touted on the 'Hound,as well as on www.slice.com, and still honestly believe that John's rules!
                      Try it and see what you think.

                      1. re: JohnBoy
                        81st Street Pete Apr 4, 2005 05:26 PM

                        If you want to start an argument with a New Yorker, say hello.

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                          sing me a bar Apr 5, 2005 10:45 AM

                          I rest my case as to the "wrought" nature of discussions here that concern pizza.

                      2. re: Emma
                        sing me a bar Apr 4, 2005 04:47 PM

                        If you like garlic and a well-done crust, you can get "heavy on the garlic, burn the bottom". Various buddies of mine, who are longtime devotees of John's, each have their own way of ordering.

                        1. re: sing me a bar
                          RGR Apr 4, 2005 11:58 PM

                          When we went to John's on Bleeker, we didn't have to tell them to "burn the bottom." Whoever was in charge of preparing our pizza did so on his own. I don't think a burnt crust contributes to making a pizza tasty. Plus, the sauce and cheese weren't anything to rave about either. We've never been back, and I wouldn't recommend going there.

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                            Ernie Apr 6, 2005 12:47 AM

                            I would hope there would be some blackened bits. A charred crust is the delicious hallmark of a coal-fired pizza oven, and John's is one of the few in NYC that has one.

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