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May 5, 2003 02:51 PM

Upper East Side Pizza

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Looking for a quality upper east side "pizzeria".

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  1. I think the best is John's, on 64th between 1st and York. They do not deliver and no slices!

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    1. re: rosy

      Johns, IMHO, is awful.

      Try Nick's - same people as Nick's on Ascan Ave. in Forest Hills. Their new place is on 94th & 2nd Ave.

      Patsy's isn't what it used to be, either.

      1. re: Nina

        Patsy's in Harlem? I can detect absolutely no difference in the pizza served at Patsy's in East Harlem over the past 14 months, and I eat it almost bi-monthly; I was most recently there last Friday and the previous Sunday.

        If you would like to make a statement that "it isn't what it used to be" please describe for us EXACTLY how it has changed since March 2002 when you were recommending that a woman take her daughter's chorus group there when the we being dropped off at Rockefeller Center to Eat lunch?

        There has been no change in Patsy's pizza since you made this recommendation, and while I can understand someone not liking the style of Patsy's, to suggest that it has gone downhill recently is absurd and disingenuous. It just hasn't changed at all.

        Link: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

        1. re: jjm

          It's simply lifeless pizza. There have been plenty of posts about this, take a look.

          1. re: Nina

            And this pizza has become "lifeless" in the last 13 months? I checked the archives and plenty of people still like Patsy's, in fact, if anything, with the upcoming addition of the dining room, i find Patsy's on an upswing of sorts, but CERTAINLY the quality of pizza hasn't changed in the last 13 months, so I still must ask how your recoommendation 13 months ago jives with your statement that "it isn't what it used to be" When? 2 years ago, 5 years ago? The only posters that don't like Patsy's seem to have been trying it for the first time, and as I said, that is a matter of taste.

            It isn't your description of Patsy's pizza as lifeless that bothers me, as you are entitled to your opinion. However, your suggestion that there has been some rapid decline in quality over the last year is just flat out wrong.

            As usual, my wife and I ordered a whole plain pie on Sunday, the crust was perfectly crispy (and a little burnt, which we like) and there were the necessaary small to mediaum size air bubbles near the edges, the sauce was nice and tangy and the cheese had the right consistency and flavor.

            Your preposterous notion that there is a difference in the pizza over the last 12 months does a diservice to all who read this board, because it's not true.

            Please explain to me the difference between a March 2002 Patsy's Pizza and a March 2003 Patsy's Pizza.

            You can't, because there isn't.

            Again. My disagreement is not with your description of the pizza--you are entitled to your own tastes. But I am incredulous that you could have recommended Patsy's a year ago (from London, no less) and now are dismissing it as "lifeless" when by any objective standard, the pizza hasn't changed AT ALL in that time span.

            Link: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

            1. re: jjm

              Where did I say anything about a rapid decline, or anything about the last 12 months? I just said it ain't what it used to be.

              Pizza wars are long over for me.

              1. re: Nina

                You recommended that a tourist travel 60 blocks out of the way with her dauther's chorus group 12 months ago to eat at Patsy's; for you to dismiss it now as lifeless, suggests a rapid decline. Either that, or you were recommending lifeless pizza 12 months ago.

                1. re: jjm

                  As I said, the Pizza Wars are over for me.

                  1. re: jjm

                    One of the great things we try to foster here at Chowhound is an open environment where everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. There's room for disagreement, heck, we encourage it. But let's not cross the line into attacking others for holding different opinions.

                    Taste is subjective, and doesn't need to be defended. Nobody has to justify why they hate or love a particular pizza, bagel, donut or whatever. And people may change their opinions without having to explain their choices to us.

                    If you don't agree with a poster's opinion, feel free to explain your view, but do it without attacking anyone else's. It's not neccessary for someone else to be wrong to make you right. In the end, it's all about finding the best chow, and the more opinions the hounds throw out there, the more likely you are to find your own personal chow nirvana.

                    Let's keep it nice, please. Thanks!

                2. re: jjm

                  jjm, with all due respect, the taste and quality of food in any food establishment can often vary from day to day so it stands to reason that a restaurant can radically change from one year to the next. Even the most consistently good places vary. No sense getting hot under the collar about it. It's not like Nina said DiFara's had gone downhill - now that would have opened up a bigtime pizza war ;-)

              2. re: jjm

                Hey, jjm, can I ask you to please take a chill pill? This is about food and it's supposed to be fun. This sort of posting is anything but fun. No one is obliged to explain anything to meet anyone's demands. It's enough that folks are generous enough to take time to share their opinions. This is not a court of law or an Oxford debate, it's a pleasant chow discussion.

                Re: the chow issue, Patsy's still rules when Jose, the longtime pizza chef there, is cooking. Jose is an older guy, short with slightly greying hair, very dark complexion and Ecuadorian-looking (that's where he's from). Jose's been taking more and more time off. On those nights, the pizza's terrific but not AS terrific. Those who need perfection should watch for Jose.

                Anyone try the new jalapeno pepper topping? It seems to have snuck onto the menu (I was there last night....no Jose, by the way, and there was slightly undercooked crust but still real good pizza).


                1. re: Jim Leff

                  Regardless of tone or form of jjm's questioning, I found jjm's questions to Nina informative.

                  If I were making a decision to go to Patsy's, which I have never tried, I might have weighed Nina's post in and not gone. Knowing what I do now and that due to his questions, upon making my decision whether or not to go, I now have an ability to give her particular opinion here less credit. However, had she answered, I'd have been able to considered her answer....

                  Sure this site is a nice, friendly discussion area, but when one comes looking for info and opinions (& there are many, sometimes so many it's overwhelming), it is extremely helpful to discover information behind those that are contradictory and even those contradictory in themselves.

                  1. re: Jim
                    TR (Not Jim)

                    The above post was written by me, TR. And it should have been ADDRESSED to Jim.

                    (Sorry for the error)

                    1. re: Jim

                      Hey, no objection here to trying to clarify and thoroughly vet issues of deliciousness. That's what we're here for! But every time a poster bashes another poster for whatever reason, 100,000 lurkers (silent reader-alongers) recoil in horror and swear to never stick their neck out and offer a tip. Our loss.
                      Keeping the site friendly is key. All of us here share info out of the most generous of impulses. It is ungracious (at very least) to treat those sharing with us as if they were witnesses in a court of law. Friendly clarification and argument is fine, even encouraged. Cranky nastiness is not.
                      Hopefully jjm's will take a deep breath and be back to her/his old friendly self in short order! (mmm...short order! i wanna grilled cheese!).

                2. re: Nina

                  I second Nick's, I love the vibrant flavors and the cheese is great.

              3. Gino's on 83rd between 1st and 2nd. Good crust - by the slice, by the pie and they deliver.

                1. Giorgio's on 2nd Avenue bet. 70th & 71st Street

                  They deliver, limited selection of what they ahve by the slice. I always get a pie delivered and I love their vegetable combinations. There are about 4 different kinds.

                  1. I have lived on E. 79th St. for the past 27 years and the best UES pizza can be found at Italian Village on First Ave., between 79th and 80th Streets. A great friendly neighborhood place with plenty of tables, where you can purchase by the slice. Love the eggplant pizza as well as the eggplant parm heroes. Their mixed salad is superb, filled with olives, roasted peppers, cukes, tomatoes. Quick delivery.

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                    1. re: diane

                      Tried Italian Village a couple of days ago, about 2pm, and the slices were about the same as Gino's on 83 St. Decent street pizza, no more, no less. But the price was right at $4.50 for two slices and a can of soda. This is nowhere near the slices at Patsy's in East Harlem but much better than the joint on 78 St and York Ave (ugh).

                    2. For me, Patsy's on First Ave at 118 St. is some of the best pizza I have ever had.

                      I haven't been to John's on E 64 St for quite a while but I did like the pie there although the dough was not as flavorful as I would like. The sausage topping is heaven.

                      Giorgio's on 2 Ave near 71 St. has to be one of the worst slices I have ever tasted, hands down! Same goes for Garlic Bob's.

                      Gino's on 83 St is standard industrial strength pizza slices. Nothing special, but not deadly.

                      I haven't been to Bella Sera, 1 Ave at 83 St, for pizza yet but I loved it when it was Candido's. The guy there now says he's Candido's cousin or brother-in-law or something and the pie is the same. Candido's was an Arthur Ave style pie and much like Patsy's in East Harlem.

                      To gauge my taste I can tell you that the one time we went to Lombardi's we were seriously disappointed. The sauce was tinny and was not made from tomatoes, but from tomato paste and prepared sauce. If not, then they went a long way out of their way to make the tomatoes taste canned.

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                      1. re: Brian W

                        I have only had a single slice at Girogio's once and it wasn't good, but I do like their whole pies which are made to order and have had good delivieries in the past.

                        1. re: Brian W

                          Tried Giorgio's the other day based on another post in this thread (yeah, I know it's a few years old).

                          Had a couple of pepperoni, sausage, and mushroom slices (one of my favorite combos - I was psyched to see it on the menu). I wouldn't call it "the worst" I've ever had, but it clearly wasn't "extraordinary" or anywhere near the league of Nick's (which is what another hound suggested somewhere). The sausage begged for more spices, and I really didn't like their sauce, which looked somewhat like, and tasted a bit like, splotches of Contadina tomato paste.

                          The taste wasn't so bad that I wouldn't return - but then the clerk from whom I'd ordered forgot that I had paid at the time of the order and accused me of trying to steal a couple of stupid pizza slices. Now that decided it for me!