199630 Sun Feb 16 23:18:28 -0800 2003 5 18 Manhattan 0 1064465 It's coming up in April and I don't know if my friend will stay on or go off the diet, so I'd like to plan ahead. Maybe one of the rodizio places? Sun Feb 16 23:18:28 -0800 2003 0 LolaTahiti 1 1064473 If your friend is new on Atkins and celebrating the freedom of eating Proteins, fat and cholesterol and losing weight (and probably and amazingly lowering his own cholesterol level), consider one of Terrance Brennan restaurants. Terrance Brennan heads one of the ultimate protein ,saturated fat and cholesterol empires in NYC that includes, among others, the fondue-heaven Artisanal that serves tons of cheese. His new restaurant Terrance Brennan's Seafood & Chop House serves overloads of proteins and fat, mainly saturated fat. Other candidates - Peter Luger steakhouse or any other steakhouse; Any French restaurant/bistro; any fish restaurant. As a general advice skip the Italian (Pasta) - although at Babbo you can have excess of protein & fat while avoiding the pasta, and avoid Asian restaurants (rice, noodles, dumplings, sweet and sour). Avoid Mexican as well. Though, in most of the restaurant you can order just the protein dishes and avoid the carbohydrates. Mon Feb 17 01:49:44 -0800 2003 1064465 0 YSChow 1 1064477 I think (assuming your friend's a "big eater"!), that riodizzio's a great idea, and that Plataforma's the best of them, not only for the quality of the meat, but for the quality of the salad bar which, in itself, contains lots of protein and non-starchy "greens". By the way, I'd tell your friend to watch the saturated fat-- even on Atkins-- and to try to stick with mono and polysaturates, and thus mostly leaner kinds of protein. Even Atkins himself admits that too much saturated fat may not be very good for you (although, he thinks, not as bad as trans-fats). As I recall, his theory is that simple carbs "enable" saturated fat to do "bad things," and that without them (the simple carbs), those "bad things" might not happen, but in his latest book he seemed to back off from that "saturated fat optimism" a bit. Mon Feb 17 07:49:15 -0800 2003 1064465 0 newsjoke 2 1064513 Newsjoke, you are absolutely right. Plataforma is a great recommendation. I wrote, “If your friend is **NEW** on Atkins and celebrating the freedom of eating Proteins, fat and cholesterol and losing weight…” then go to fat one of the fat temples. I don’t think it is healthy though. Those who start Atkins tend, at the first stage of the diet, to feast on all the forbidden fat food that they allowed themselves eating only on special occasions. I, as well as several of my friends, who started Atkins’ diet recently, indulged on fat - French cheeses, Bacon, Half & Half instead of non-fat milk, steaks etc. I was curious to check Atkins theory. I could not believe that I would lose weight and my bad cholesterol wouldn’t jump to the roof. From my and my friend’s short experience I can tell you that Atkins diet works miraculously!!! I was one of the religious people who thought that Atkins is to health almost what Saddam Hussein is to human rights. I am so enthusiastic about Atkins now that I think he deserves the Nobel Prize for a) inventing a diet that doesn’t keep you madly hungry B) being the Galileo Galilee of the “diet science” fighting the non-fat-pro-carbs religious zealotry - I belonged to this sect and almost beat my wife when she dared to sneak butter into out refrigerator…butter is "allowed", actually unavoidable, only in restaurants. HOWEVER, despite Atkins miracle, having read the articles of Harvard’s research, other researches and Atkins’ new book, and after eight weeks on Atkins, as I intended anyhow to do after my Atkins’ first-stage, I have reduced my saturated fat intake to the minimum possible and eat fish, lean chicken, good fat – olive oil, avocado and nuts, vegetables and controlled amounts of good carbohydrates. Mon Feb 17 15:55:42 -0800 2003 1064477 0 YSChow 3 1064520 Hi YS... Yet again, you and I are in 100% agreement on something! I, too, after nearly 20 years of very strictly low-fat (probably no more than 10% of my calories) and complex carb (but too much caloric grain-based stuff) eating went "hog wild" (both literally and figuratively, as I ate lots of pork!) during my initial couple of months on "the program". I, too, ate all those previously "forbiden" sauces, cheeses, etc., and I can honestly say that they were damn good! Like you, though, I have subsequently adopted the exact same (hopefully!) "healthier" version of this diet, with basically unlimited fish, lean animal (hey-- pork TENDERLOIN is okay!) & soy protein, and non-starchy vegetables, along with (almost) as much as I want of the (again, hopefully) "healthier" kind of fats. This way, I've been able to maintain the same lean weight I've always had, but do it in a much more fun, tastier way. For one thing, I particularly love Asian food, and now I very rarely have to "hold the sauce"! For me, giving up the rice (even though it's anathema to my Chinese girlfriend) is a more than fair tradeoff! Mon Feb 17 16:30:50 -0800 2003 1064513 0 newsjoke 4 1064538 Hi "newsjoke", I have sent you an email (to newsjoke@prodigy.net). YS Mon Feb 17 19:06:35 -0800 2003 1064520 0 YSChow