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Cancel trip to Manhattan? Yes? No?

Lori Midson Sep 13, 2001 08:44 PM

New York chowhounds--

First off, my heartfelt compassion goes out to you and your loved ones. There are no words to describe the sorrow. Being glued to the TV screen non-stop, I've not even stopped to eat. With that in mind, my husband and I have a chow-trip planned to New York (we're staying in Manhattan), and assuming we can actually fly out of Denver, we're leaving next Friday. But we're still debating...should we cancel our trip or should we continue with our plans?


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    T RE: Lori Midson Sep 13, 2001 08:54 PM

    I'm not as far. On Long Island. But I'll visit prior to Friday -- My feeling is....... You can't let them stop you from doing what is reasonable. I think by that time, traveling to NY from Denver will be.

    Enjoy your trip, if you decide to go/come.

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      walter RE: T Sep 14, 2001 09:00 AM

      In what I am going to say, I speak only for myself, and, with one exception, will be the odd one out. Yes, most definitely, cancel your trip. Don't come. I live in midtown, and, while restaurants here are open, more people just get in the way. This just is not a time for tourists and visitors, and, if saying this will hurt the hotel and restaurant business, and any other business that specially caters to tourists, well, thats the way is has to be.

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        T RE: walter Sep 14, 2001 03:15 PM

        I can understand feeling that way.

        Certainly no one should come to gwak. But I do not think that is what you were referring to.

        If I'm not mistaken, I am sorry you feel that way.

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      Cathy L. RE: Lori Midson Sep 13, 2001 09:40 PM

      Lori, my folks are also visiting from Denver next weekend. They're still planning to come (Producers tickets!), assuming they make it home from SF first.

      Where do you intend to eat?


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      1. re: Cathy L.
        Lori Midson RE: Cathy L. Sep 13, 2001 11:29 PM

        So far, we've got dinner reservations at 71 Clinton, Babbo, Chicama, Balthazar, Gramercy Tavern, and Daniel--lots of indulgent eating! Now we just have to figure out lunches, and I think we'll probably spend quite a bit of time in Queens just grazing...

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          wray RE: Lori Midson Sep 14, 2001 07:37 PM

          Great! Sounds like you still plan to go. Next Thursday will be when I fly back to NY, since the air traffic problems mean I cannot get home this weekend and I will instead go to my next client's site on Monday. NY I miss you.

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        Ruby RE: Lori Midson Sep 13, 2001 09:45 PM

        I hope you and your husband will continue with your plans to visit New York - barring some unknown catastrophe in the USA (let's hope not!). My office was closed on Wednesday, the day after the carnage, and it was a beautiful sunny day in Manhattan. My friend and I walked along 8th Avenue in Chelsea and couldn't believe all the people sitting and enjoying lunch and drinks at the outside sidewalk cafes. You would never have known what had just happened. It felt like a beautiful Saturday afternoon instead of Wednesday. New Yorkers are generous, resilient and goodhearted. Don't be intimidated by these terrorists -that's what they want: to bring a great city and the U.S. to its knees. Well, it ain't gonna happen!

        Just share with us where you're going to eat and if you want any suggestions, you'll get plenty from these Chowhounds!

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          Lori Midson RE: Ruby Sep 13, 2001 11:21 PM

          Hi Ruby--

          Actually, I'm not worried about flying or terrorists (although having just heard on the news of the 10 people detained at JFK and LaGuardia today, my stomach continues to churn.) We were more concerned with the somber mood of New Yorkers, and whether or not it would be appropriate, under the circumstances, to add two more tourists to a city that's clearly in mourning. I keep seeing all those desperate people with their pictures of loved ones, and it just makes me sick. That being said, it sounds like New Yorkers are moving ahead with their lives, despite the massive loss of so many others. I suspect we will go--after all, we have a great eating itinerary! 71 Clinton, Babbo, Chicama, Gramercy Tavern, Daniel, and Balthazar. Haven't decided about lunches yet, but we'll probably head out of Manhattan for those.

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          Peter RE: Lori Midson Sep 13, 2001 11:00 PM

          Come, by all means, if you can.

          The city is still a wonderful place.

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            Dave Feldman RE: Lori Midson Sep 14, 2001 12:29 AM


            I would come. I think you'll find New Yorkers might be just a little kinder and gentler than usual. And I'm sure restaurants and hotels would welcome your patronage.

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              mona M RE: Dave Feldman Sep 15, 2001 04:35 AM

              We would love for you to come. The only disappointment will be that you probably won't get to meet one of those surly New Yorkers you may have heard so much about, as everyone is being so kind and generous.

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              Anonymous RE: Lori Midson Sep 14, 2001 03:03 AM

              In spite of everybody's responses, I would advise against coming here. I have lived here for all of my life, and I have never felt the great impetus to leave this city like I have done the last few days. While I love so many things about New York, the only thing I can think about as I walk the streets of Manhattan is suffering and death. Although I know that New York dearly needs tourism to help the economy, please be warned that your trip may be disturbing.

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                George Lynch RE: Anonymous Sep 14, 2001 10:30 PM

                I think all of us have felt the way you describe. It is part of the grief we all share right now. But it will pass.

                Where is there to go to get rid of the things you've seen?

                Give it time, anonymous. The wounds will heal; believe it or not, they always do. Let me gently suggest you take advantage of the opportunity to visit a grief counselor in the next day or two.

                Don't let the scum who did this take your life too.

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                George Lynch RE: Lori Midson Sep 14, 2001 07:14 AM

                I would come without hesitation if I were in your place. Yes, this has been shattering on every level, but people are going about their lives, taking the subway, going to restaurants, etc.

                Yes, there has been, as Anonymous put it, death and destruction on an unimaginable scale, and there has been real sorrow; but, there is also determination, courage, valor, even, in some ways, optimism. I think New Yorkers would welcome you in ways that will make you glad you came.

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                  Langley RE: Lori Midson Sep 14, 2001 12:36 PM

                  I have two trips to NYC (Midtown) planned for October and November, and I have every intention of going. I may even be moving to the area within the next year or so. The only reason I can think of for possibly cancelling your planned trip is if the primary focus of your trip is for some reason the area around the Trade Center Plaza. Rescue, recovery and clean-up efforts will be ongoing for quite some time and, obviously, that area of Manhattan will probably remain largely inaccessible for a while.

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                    Bronx Bill RE: Lori Midson Sep 14, 2001 05:30 PM

                    Don't hesitate to come and enjoy. As far as I can tell people are getting on with their lives and we need tourism to help us continue moving in the right direction.

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                      anon2 RE: Lori Midson Sep 14, 2001 11:49 PM

                      I have to have my voice heard with the minority. Cancel your trip. As a lifelong New Yorker, I think we need a break from the throngs. Being evacuated from my Times Square office on Thursday only to see every other building doing the same (bomb threats), I found the streets chaotic and, dare I admit it, frightening. It was even embarrassing to see tourists consulting their guidebooks and seeing us comforting each other and crying. We are trying to soldier on, but we need some space right now. Barring more terrorists, NYC will always be here. Thanks for listening.

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                        Cass O'Leigh RE: anon2 Sep 15, 2001 12:06 AM

                        "we need some space right now."

                        You and your six million neighbors?

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                          Loeb RE: Cass O'Leigh Sep 15, 2001 11:01 AM

                          We live near the Cloisters, admittedly about as far away from the WTC you can be in NYC, but still it's Manhattan. I was thrilled to see people get off the buses and trains up here with their sightseeing books. I am warmed by the tourists and rescue workers from all over the USA and the world who are helping downtown. If you want to meet the very best of humanity, meet the people who won't be deterred by the worst.

                          Hell, I don't need "space" from tourists. The streets need to be buzzing again. It's not like people are coming here to dance while we're miserable. And everything that can keep us going spiritually as well as financially is AOK by me.

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                            Bronx Bill RE: Loeb Sep 15, 2001 04:09 PM

                            Actually, you can be much further from the WTC and still be in the city: The Bronx, way out in far Brooklyn, etc. It's a big, big city.

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                            Jeez RE: Cass O'Leigh Sep 21, 2001 12:22 PM

                            What an insensitive thing to say. I'm also of the opinion that tourists should probably avoid New York right now. Coming her to witness our pain isn't a good vacation, now is it? I could also use a break.

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                            Lori Midson RE: anon2 Sep 16, 2001 08:15 PM

                            Sigh...I can't even begin to imagine how you must feel right now, so I won't even try, and belive me, we're torn--terribly. I think we are coming, however, and I'm truly sorry if that upsets you. If it's any consolation, we're good tourists. And we have no interest in gawking. I've seen enough on TV. The real thing in real time would probably horrify me.

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                            Peter RE: Lori Midson Sep 15, 2001 10:39 AM

                            Come on down!

                            We need the tourism dollars. The airlines need all the help they can get, and it's time to start getting back to normal.

                            There's a time to grieve and mourn, but there's a time to stop, as well.

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                              mrnyc RE: Lori Midson Sep 15, 2001 11:54 PM

                              of course you are coming. and you will be having lunches @ LUPA in greenwich village and @ SWEET-N-TART in chinatown. and since you won't be having dinner @ 71 CLINTON, the chef left recently, you will be dining that night in brooklyn @ GROCERY on smith street. i'm kidding you with my opinions of course, but yes you should come given one caveat---if bush starts the retaliation up i think everyone should stay put. BTW, what was your magazine weblink again? i don't think it worked. let us know your final decision & dates too ok?

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                                T RE: mrnyc Sep 16, 2001 10:07 AM


                                I know your note was written in comical manner, but I never got to try 71 Clinton.

                                So no go in the future?

                                Do you suggest it's a waste of time and money now?


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                                  T RE: T Sep 16, 2001 10:10 AM

                                  Sorry.. I added the restaurant name into the email part of the form, rather than change the subject as intended.

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                                    mrnyc RE: T Sep 17, 2001 10:25 PM

                                    what i know is the chef @ 71 CLINTON, wylie dufresne (sp?) left in july to start his own restaurant nearby which has not yet opened. a friend ate there recently and was underwhelmed. i also read some press somewhere that stated something similiar, sorry no link but i'll look and post it if i find it again. so yes i would tend to avoid it, especially on a special visit from out of town. I did have an enjoyable time there quite a while back on my one visit.

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                                      Lori Midson RE: mrnyc Sep 18, 2001 05:52 PM

                                      Okay...so where should we go instead?

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                                  Lori Midson RE: mrnyc Sep 16, 2001 08:07 PM

                                  As it stands now, we're planning on coming. Interesting, though--I called the airlines yesterday (bad timing, I think) to see whether or not our flight had been changed/cancelled. I called from Santa Fe, where I was on vacation, and didn't have the itenerary with me. The reservationist absolutely refused to help me, actually berating me like you would not believe because I didn't have all the info. at my disposal. At one point, she said, "Do you have any idea that we had a national tragedy this week?" She was at her wits end.

                                  Anyhow--we leave Denver on Friday and we're in Manhattan until the following Thursday.

                                  And, wait! What's this about the chef change at 71 Clinton? Should we not go now? We have tickets to see Urinetown Sunday afternoon at 3:30, the same approximate time as the memorial service for the firefighters. I very much would like to go to the memorial service, but...

                                  5280's server is down, and I've no clue when it's going to be up again, but the URL, when it works, is http:www.5280.com

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                                  Pan RE: Lori Midson Sep 17, 2001 06:34 AM

                                  That depends on your level of comfort about air travel and being in New York at this time. New York's wounds will still be pretty raw this Friday, but we're gradually returning to some kind of routine. Many people hung out in Central Park on a beautiful Sunday afternoon. The NYSE is opening today.

                                  It would be understandable if you decided to postpone your trip, but coming when you had planned to would show your support for our city. The decision, though, is yours.

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