18937 Thu Feb 28 12:49:50 -0800 2002 259 32 Chains 0 61675 Yes, chain restaurants can hurt the character of neighborhoods and the ability of smaller restaurants to gain a foothold. But sometimes you have a craving... and that craving can only be satiated at a chain restaurant. Admit your deepest darkest secret and tell what dishes at chain restaurants you like (and please don't forever ban me from the boards ;) Here are mine: Chevys --chips (not very greasy or salty) and salsa (slightly brown the way it should be) --fresh tortillas of El Machino --beans a la charra (pinto beans with pork) Spaghetti Factory --spaghetti and meatballs --creamy pesto salad dressing Fuddruckers --hamburgers (you order it medium and it comes out really flavorful and not dried to a crisp) & fries California Pizza Kitchen (and even cheaper - CPK ASAP) --chicken sesame dumplings --roasted garlic chicken pizza Chili's --honey lime salad dressing Fuzio --firecracker pork fusilli --chicken sausage penne Boston Market (a.k.a. BoMart) --chicken is quite good and moist (believe it or not my friends and I went here for Thanksgiving last year - it was a very White Trash Thanksgiving(tm) and fun) In San Diego, I like Pick Up Stix, and in Texas I enjoy Rudy's BBQ & Chuy's. Thu Feb 28 12:49:50 -0800 2002 0 Kathleen Mikulis 1 61677 I love the slider burgers and artichoke/spinach dip at Cheesecake Factory. And Wendy's Biggie Fries are pretty awesome too. =) Thu Feb 28 13:19:32 -0800 2002 61675 0 HKL 2 3101479 Big Mac (no onions) - hangover helper ! Tue Nov 06 16:09:46 -0800 2007 61677 124137 JayVaBeach 1 61678 Chevy's: Pork Tamales Poblano Chile Relleno Chips and Salsa P.S. I have the recipe for the salsa if anyone wants it Outback Steakhouse: Ribeye Steak with sauteed mushrooms and mashed potatoes Pasta Pomodoro: Spaghetti Frutti di Mare Thu Feb 28 13:22:28 -0800 2002 61675 0 Nancy Berry 2 61684 Believe it or not I also have the Chevys recipe. When I finally sat down to make it I realized it was to make a gallon! I didn't actually make it though (don't remember why...) Where did you get your recipe? The Spaghetti Frutti di Mare is my favorite dish at Pasta P. That and the now extinct chocolate mousse. Thu Feb 28 14:38:29 -0800 2002 61678 0 Kathleen Mikulis 2 61695 I would love to have the recipe, thanks! (And I'm so glad to find out I'm not the only one around here who likes some of Chevy's stuff.) Thu Feb 28 16:44:43 -0800 2002 61678 0 Tom Hilton 2 61773 Please share your Chevy's salsa recipe. Thanks! Fri Mar 01 16:36:49 -0800 2002 61678 0 Wendy Lai 3 61833 Whip out the food processor and fire up the grill because you’ll need these essential tools to clone one of the best restaurant salsas in the business. The key to recreating the flavor of the real deal is to fire roast the tomatoes and the jalapenos, and to add a little mesquite-flavored liquid smoke. The restaurant chain uses a mesquite grill, so these steps are crucial to getting the same smoky flavor as the addictive restaurant version. Chevys uses chipotle peppers, or smoked red jalapeno peppers. But unless you grow your own jalapenos, it may be difficult to find the riper red variety in your local supermarket. For this recipe, the green jalapeno peppers will work fine. 6 medium tomatoes 10 jalapenos (red is best) 1/4 of a medium Spanish onion 2 cloves garlic 2 tablespoons chopped fresh cilantro 2 tablespoons white vinegar 2 teaspoons salt 1 1/2 teaspoons mesquite-flavored liquid smoke 1. Preheat your barbecue grill to high temperature. 2. Remove any stems from the tomatoes, then rub some oil over each tomato. You can leave the stems on the jalapenos. 3. Place the tomatoes on the grill when it’s hot. After about 10 minutes, place all of the jalapenos onto the grill. In about 10 minutes you can turn the tomatoes and the peppers. When almost the entire surface of the peppers has charred black you can remove them from the grill. The tomatoes will turn partially black, but when the skin begins to come off they are done. Put the peppers and tomatoes on a plate and let them cool. 4. When the tomatoes and peppers have cooled, remove most of the skin from the tomatoes and place them into a food processor. Pinch the stem end from each of the peppers and place them into the food processor as well. Toss out the liquid that remains on the plate. 5. Add the remaining ingredients to the food processor and puree on high speed for 5-10 seconds or until the mixture has a smooth consistency. 6. Place the salsa into a covered container and chill for several hours or overnight while the flavors develop. (http://www.topsecretrecipes.com) Makes approximately 2 cups. Sat Mar 02 20:20:27 -0800 2002 61773 0 Rev.Long 1 61681 I second that Fuzio fire cracker pork Thu Feb 28 14:19:04 -0800 2002 61675 0 Mike Lee 1 61682 I have never found a patty melt I like as well as the ones at Dennys. Thu Feb 28 14:22:21 -0800 2002 61675 0 susan blair 1 61683 The French have a term for this: "L'aime de la boue," or "Love of the mud." It means the greatest gormets often have a secret addiction to food even they must admit is crappy. Here are some of mine (which drive Burke to distraction!): At White Castle: Extra-steamed (you have to ask for it) cheeseburgers At Chili's: their "queso" dip (though I can't find any cheese in it) At Boston Market: Love their chicken, meatloaf, mashed potatoes (with BEEF gravy) and Nestle Toll-house cookies (in the microwave for ten seconds and they rule) At Carrow's: Their chicken strips (lovely crisp breading) At Dairy Queen: Vanilla Blizzard with Reese's Peanutbutter Cups and Oreos At Friendly's: Peanutbutter topping (so salty!) At Starbuck's: Mocha Frappacino At Cinnabun: Cinnabun with extra frosting At MacDonald's: Sausage biscuit with egg and cheese, hashbrowns At Roy Rogers: Fried chicken At Spoons: Chili with lots of scallions At Applebee's: Applebee Club (grilled ham and cheese), spinach-artichoke dip, "chocolate sin" dessert FOR BURKE: I know he loves the flabby, horrible all-you-can-eat breadsticks at Olive Garden. Me, I don't really like them much. More if I think of them! Peter wells@emusic.com Link: http://www.burkeandwells.com Thu Feb 28 14:36:37 -0800 2002 61675 0 Burke and Wells 2 61688 I forgot about Chili's chili con queso dip. I dig that, too. And I do like Olive Garden breadsticks, along with their all-you-can-eat soup and salad (as their entrees all leave something to be desired). Their pasta e fagioli soup is pretty darn good. Thu Feb 28 14:54:20 -0800 2002 61683 0 Kathleen Mikulis 3 61728 Wow, yeah, Olive Garden. That sausage soup justifies slogging through the rest of a meal there. And hey, Flint's is a chain, too. Three locations. What's not to like? Thu Feb 28 22:36:02 -0800 2002 61688 0 Shep aka 2 Cheap Hungry Guys 4 4711270 Are you talking about the zuppa Toscana? If so, I have a pretty decent copycat recipe. It's a little time-consuming, but it's easy. Sun May 24 14:45:20 -0700 2009 61728 204860 theferlyone 3 2724092 I love Chili's chicken crispers and their mashed potatoes with that orange paprika like spice on top. Also their southwestern chicken rolls and avocado sauce yummmmm.... Fri Jul 06 08:36:44 -0700 2007 61688 102330 Lemonii 2 61840 Fascinated by your quote, "L'aime de la boue." The version I always have heard was "Gout de l'egout"--taste for the gutter! But the implication was more about social than culinary preferences! Sat Mar 02 22:14:05 -0800 2002 61683 0 Fine 2 2722628 I love your handle -- assume you're Aussies -- and hope you're more successful than the originals. Thu Jul 05 17:11:57 -0700 2007 61683 11995 pikawicca 2 2837162 Chili's "queso" dip is made with Velveeta (or at least it used to be.) Sat Aug 11 20:45:12 -0700 2007 61683 13682 PommeDeGuerre 2 4720780 Yes ... yes ... I must confess that I too have a weakness for McDonald's Sausage Egg Cheese Biscuit with hash browns (sometimes I order an extra 2 HBs for a dollar extra). Real gluttony. Wed May 27 20:36:22 -0700 2009 61683 146763 Plankwalker 2 5027092 I second the sausage egg and cheese biscuit from McDonalds. Someone somewhere on these boards posted putting grape jelly on it, I'm going to try that one of these days. I also get a craving for a Big Mac about twice a year. If it comes out fresh and the fries are very hot and salty, I love it! Another thing I used to love, I don't know if they still serve it is the cheese and crackers at the "99" restaurants. Eaten alone, the crackers tasted something like dog biscuits, but with the salty orange cheese and a beer... yummy! Sun Sep 13 17:06:14 -0700 2009 61683 1106722 patmatw 1 61685 I second on Chili's honey-lime dressing, and the fries at our local are terrific: crunchy and spicy outside, meltingly creamy inside. My worst confession: I love the Tiramisu at our Olive Garden. My son and I have to order two of them. I have never eaten at any other Olive Garden and hear they are terrible (but oh-so-favored by our kids!) Thu Feb 28 14:45:02 -0800 2002 61675 0 Lynne Hodgman 1 61692 My favorites: Chevy's: Like everyone else, their chips and salsa. Olive Garden: I love the all you can eat breadsticks and salad. I order the entrees just as an excuse to fill up on these. I usually take all the pasta home for lunch the next day. Lyon's: The Lyon's in Saratoga had the best fried zucchini in the world. My high school friends and I always had a late night snack here on Friday or Saturday nights. But it closed and I've never found it as good anywhere else. McDonald's: Filet-o-fish and chicken nuggets. In fact, I had these 2 for dinner last night. I know nuggets can't be found anywhere on a chicken but they have their own appeal. Overall, I find Claim Jumper's and Elephant Bar to be the better chain restaurants in the area. But maybe that's just because they're relatively new to Northern California and trying harder. Thu Feb 28 15:36:27 -0800 2002 61675 0 Yvonne 1 61704 That sweet corn paste stuff at Chevy's. That little tablespoon they dole out is never enough. Also the Chicken Noodle Soup at Fresh Choice. The noodles are humungous, thick and chewy. Thu Feb 28 17:45:55 -0800 2002 61675 0 Jackie Avery 1 61712 Taco Bell: Tacos & Nachos Bellgrande Outback: I also love the ribeye, their veggies and mushrooms. Oh yeah, and that Bloomin' Onion! TGIFriday's: Cobb Salad with honey mustard dressing I love CPK - it was a real treat during my college days! Chevy's: I second the chips & salsa Howard Johnson's: I used to love the clam chowder, chicken strips and clam strips, but haven't had any since about 1990. In New Jersey: Cluck U's Atomic chicken wings Jersey Mike's Subs (esp. the chicken salad) Thu Feb 28 18:58:51 -0800 2002 61675 0 babyfork 2 61718 There's a Cluck U in Santa Clara but I don't think it's related to the ones on the East Coast. I've never tried it but friends have loved it. Link: http://www.waiter.com/CLUCKU/ Thu Feb 28 20:35:47 -0800 2002 61712 0 Yvonne 2 4674805 Taco Bell rocks. Completely underrated, and I am Mexican-American who has her fair share of authentic, delicious Sonoran cuisine. The nachos bellgrande and bean burritos quell my fast food craving like nothing else. Mon May 11 16:43:59 -0700 2009 61712 199931 ginael 1 61717 I seem to be in the minority, but I don't like Chevys salsa since they started putting chipotle peppers in it. Sort of violates their everything is fresh policy too. I also prefer corn tortillas for chips, but their chips are nice for a change. Good chain food : Double Whopper no 'cheese'. Red Robin onion burger with blue cheese dressing. TGIF steak and cheddar wrap. TGIF jalapeno/cilantro pesto pasta. The colonels cole slaw. Marie Callendars chili and cornbread. Thu Feb 28 20:32:09 -0800 2002 61675 0 Bung 2 61756 The Colonel's cole slaw is the only slaw I have ever liked. How sad. Fri Mar 01 12:19:02 -0800 2002 61717 0 Kathleen Mikulis 3 61775 I had a slaw-off (slough?) last weekend with my boyfriend. After several experiments we both realized that we were searching for the Colonel's secret recipe. Fri Mar 01 17:09:32 -0800 2002 61756 0 Juniper 3 2728197 I have the Colonel's recipe if you would like it. My DH got it from a lady who used to work there. Sat Jul 07 18:24:03 -0700 2007 61756 108301 wrinklewoman 4 2758843 I know that I would love to have this, if I may. Don't know what I can offer in exchange, though. Tue Jul 17 15:22:08 -0700 2007 2728197 13921 Whippet 4 5027099 I would love to have that, too. Sun Sep 13 17:08:10 -0700 2009 2728197 1106722 patmatw 1 61722 I second the chicken noodle soup at Fresh Choice. I think the pasta at Pasta Pomodoro or Il Fornaio is a much better bet than anything at Olive Garden. Thu Feb 28 21:10:33 -0800 2002 61675 0 Wendy-san 2 61760 I think that the soups at Sweet Tomatoes are better than those at Fresh Choice. In fact, everything is better at Sweet Tomatoes than at Fresh Choice. Unfortunately, there are only five Sweet Tomatoes restaurants in the Bay Area, Sunnyvale, Pleasant Hill, Pleasanton, Fremont and San Jose) and none of them in San Francisco or the Peninsula. By the way, they are known as Soup Plantation in the Los Angeles area. Link: http://www.sweettomatoes.com/locations.htm Fri Mar 01 12:51:59 -0800 2002 61722 0 Nancy Berry 1 61729 I never denied it. Baja Fresh I went to the Palo Alto location today (3990 El Camino Real). I often crave the baja barrito. I was thinking critically about it as I was chowing. I think one of the things that makes it so good is that they melt cheese all over the inside of the tortilla before they but the other stuff in. This prevents the tortilla from soaking up juice and preserves it's structural integrity. It also gives the melds with the tortilla to create a great chewy texture. The chicken is really nice as well. No rice or beans. I burp garlic for the rest of the day but it's worth it. I wish that they went a little heavier on the guacamole though. I also love in-n-out burgers. Cheyenne won't let me go very often which is probably for the best. Also, what exactly do you consider a chain. How many locations are required? 2? 5? Where do you draw the line? Or is it a corporate mentality? I like McMenamins (pubs, hotels, winery, theatres) in Oregon and Washington. They're certainly a chain but each one is unique. They're a lot homier than the starbucks type brew pubs in SF. Don't get me wrong I like Gordon Biersch ok but I'd take a rubinator over a pansy marzen any day. Link: http://www.mcmenamins.com/ Thu Feb 28 22:50:47 -0800 2002 61675 0 BigLizard 1 61732 Amazing how the northen part of California is in synch with the southern part of California - the same discussion was going on on the L.A. board yesterday. Great minds think alike? If that statement is true, then would that make the statement "chowhounds are all great minds" also be true? Thu Feb 28 23:23:41 -0800 2002 61675 0 Chino Wayne 2 62151 That's funny that the same topic would be up on both boards. I didn't look at the LA board until just now. I've been thinking about asking this question for a couple weeks. And yes, I suppose "chowhounds are all great minds." Wed Mar 06 14:43:31 -0800 2002 61732 0 Kathleen Mikulis 1 61746 I go to Denny's for breakfast sometimes. They (usually) do hash browns very well. When the day starts with a good crisp pile of properly fried potatoes, all's well with the world. Fri Mar 01 08:33:59 -0800 2002 61675 0 Sharuf 2 2758048 AMEN!!! --Dommy! Tue Jul 17 12:19:20 -0700 2007 61746 10659 Dommy 1 61752 I admit that I like Rubio's Fish Tacos. Some locations make them better (San Diego seemed always better than the LA area ones). I know it's not in Nor Cal, but it's a chain. Chevy's does have its good points as well. The good thing about them is you usually know exactly what youre getting and the food is not over processed. Another chain that I used to like in LA was Koo-Koo-Roo. They have a branch up here, but I havent tried it yet, but it was always pretty damn good chicken and sides. Fri Mar 01 11:05:41 -0800 2002 61675 0 srf1 2 61778 There ARE Rubio's Fish Tacos in the area. I think there is one in the food court in the shopping center on Market near Union Square. And there is definitely one in the food court at Valley Fair Mall (South Bay). Fri Mar 01 17:43:12 -0800 2002 61752 0 Eurie 3 61862 I didnt know that. Have you tried them, and , if so, are they any good?? Thanks. Sun Mar 03 10:53:38 -0800 2002 61778 0 srf1 4 61870 The Rubio's in the San Francisco Center is very good. From what I hear, this is one of their first ventures in the city, and they really want to make a good impression. It shows in the way the store is run, and the staff. To me, everything about it is authentic Rubio's a la Southern California. Sun Mar 03 14:57:38 -0800 2002 61862 0 jen maiser 4 61932 I've only eaten at Rubio's once in Southern California so I can't really compare the two. But the few times I've had them here they've been good - crispy fish, not too greasy. I'd rather go there than a chain burger place. I hope you get to enjoy a Rubio's fish taco soon! =) Mon Mar 04 14:17:14 -0800 2002 61862 0 Eurie 2 4948626 I was reading through and if I had not found it would have posted it - Rubio's Fish Taco's are thebest - no one comes close! I love Carrabba's Mussels " Cozze Bianco" they have changed to smaller mussels but the sauce is so good to sop up with the bread that accompanies it! - I also agree with Olive Garden Salad and dressing! Sat Aug 15 08:38:49 -0700 2009 61752 236544 The Yummer 1 61758 A&W onion rings In & Out burgers Denny's potato scramble things Chevy's chips y salsa (of course), but also their beans (the original ones--I think they're now called 'ranchero' or something) Mr. Pizza Man lasagne Fri Mar 01 12:31:57 -0800 2002 61675 0 Tom Hilton 2 61803 As a New Yorker, one of my fav California eating establishments (which I MUST visit every time I'm in state) is In and Out. Love the double cheeseburgers, and the Fries! yum. If I lived in CA and owned a car, I would just drive from In and Out to In and Out. Sat Mar 02 01:46:30 -0800 2002 61758 0 em 1 61786 When it comes to Cal/Mex style chains, I've always preferred El Torito to Chevy's -- the salsa, the pepito caeser dressing, the sweet corn cakes (which Chevy's later copied). It's hard to count on dishes at fast food places because it depends so much on whether it's fresh or it's been sitting for a while. McDonald's hotcakes and sausage are surprisingly good if you get them fresh made. So is the sausage biscuit (but they get dried out and chewy if they spend too long under the heat lamps). I like Carl's Jr. Superstar with Cheese, and their fried zucchini, which I can fool myself is healthy 'cause it's got a green vegetable in it. Jack-in-the-box chicken tenders. Der Weinerschnitzel chili cheese dogs and mini corn dogs. I don't eat often enough at the chain "family" restaurants to have found good dishes. Everything I've ever had at Lyon's has been terrible, for example, so I avoid it like the plague. TGIF and Applebee's are worse than mediocre. I don't hate Olive Garden but I can't remember anything I've ever eaten at one (except the salad, which isn't bad). Same with Chili's (love the baby-back ribs jingle and commercials, though). Mostly it's not that those places are bad, just that they are trying so hard to please the lowest common denominator that they rarely produce anything that stands out. When you add to that the fact that they're usually using cheap and/or artificial and/or overly processed ingredients, you have a recipe for food that's not worth eating. But now that I've trashed chain/fast food, I'll cop to my secret vice: nachos with artificial cheese glop on them -- the more neon orange the better (I don't like nachos with "real" cheese: too stringy and the cheese hardens). I excuse my cravings by claiming any American-born Baby Boomer or younger has been conditioned to require a minimum yearly amount of artificial cheese flavor. Or perhaps it's the combination of red and yellow dyes. Whatever, it must have been the water when we were growing up. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! Fri Mar 01 19:08:04 -0800 2002 61675 0 Ruth Lafler 2 3414692 Fake nacho cheese? I could never ever understand that one! As a vegetarian, sometimes that's the only non-meat option available, and I'd still rather starve! Tue Feb 19 16:31:48 -0800 2008 61786 134351 Morticia 2 3543125 Lol, Ruth I understand what you say about that nacho cheese. Nachos with real cheese and beans are good, but the cheese does harden unpleasantly. And I am convinced that there is some secret ingredient in processed cheese that makes it addictive. Kind of like the not-so-secret sugar they sprinkle on McDonald's fries to make it more addictive. Now that I am aware of this blatant manipulation on the part of McDonald's to keep people hooked I avoid their food, along with most other fast food chains. Sun Mar 30 11:32:38 -0700 2008 61786 124476 FoodieKat 1 61794 Why would anyone who loves food (or him/herself) go to a chain restaurant in the first place? The one or two times in my life I've been in one--on the road in the middle of nowhere trying to avoid cigarette smoke--I didn't understand anything. I felt like I was in a strange country or, more accurately, on a strange planet. Packaged, chemical milk substitute, various-colored white breads with names I was familiar with but no other resemblance to--say-- wholewheat or rye, tomatoes of a color previously unknown, and other items I had assumed had disappeared by the '60s! "No, we don't have any fat-free milk." I once found myself visiting a friend in a small Calif. town and the only place to eat was Chevy's, which promised on a prominent sign to make things as you desired. There was also posted a list of the day's specials, not one of which the server had ever heard of. When I made requests from the regular menu with certain changes--omit this, add that, please--the empty place seemed to collapse into paralysis. Likewise our one effort to try Left at Albuquerque (for neighborhood assoc. problems, not culinary reasons). It became quickly clear that there was no cook in the kitchen so no adjustments could be made to anything. First time in my life I had that experience. I was only able to conclude that everything was pre-prepared and no one on the premises could add a chile pepper or do anything else. But those were anomalies over a lifetime of dining out. Only a need to escape cigarette smoke could conceivably force me back into a chain, and that, of course, would be if I had to travel out of state. Oh, I just remembered: we also were taken to a chain steak house when visiting friends in Orlando. The meat looked great and tasted like rare sawdust.The potatoes tasted as if they'd been baked hours earlier, and the accompaniments were not even fresh and were sort of prepackaged! And, of course, no vintages listed for the wines. Fri Mar 01 22:31:55 -0800 2002 61675 0 Fine 1 61822 You read the dirty little secrets of the Chowhound posters and now you know why you go to places that that nobody could possibly say a good thing about. Save this thread so you know has a tin palate and who not to listen to. Link: http://curmudgeon.com Sat Mar 02 14:26:12 -0800 2002 61675 0 Curmudgeon 2 62165 I'll save this thread so I know who's too rigidly dogmatic to be worth paying attention to. Wed Mar 06 17:50:03 -0800 2002 61822 0 Tom Hilton 3 62312 My thoughts exactly, Tom. And addressing your other post, Chevys rules! Especially their beans (I think you mean a la charra not ranchero) and their chips and salsa. Fri Mar 08 13:31:37 -0800 2002 62165 0 Kathleen Mikulis 1 61841 I just read through this entire thread and never found out how anyone who considers herself/himself a chowhound ever set foot in a chain to begin with. Is it because one came late to chowhoundhood? Or grew up in a culinarily deprived area? Or succumbed to non-chowhound peer pressure? The SFBA (and several other areas as well) offers such a plethora of food styles in all "speeds" and price ranges, it would take years to try every single spot, especially if one periodically returned to faves. It seems to me that, aside from obvious 'hound-type reasons, most 'hounds would want to avoid chains (and no, a tiny local spot with 3 outlets is not comparable to a national or multi-national chain), for social, political, and health considerations (all those groovy trans fats). Perhaps I was just very lucky: I graduated from a family of great from-scratch cooks who went to good, from-scratch restaurants directly to an adult life of from-scratch home cooking and similarly dedicated restaurants and never stopped at a fast food outlet along the way. As I said elsewhere, my very few encounters with chains merely confirmed my worst suspicions. Sat Mar 02 22:32:41 -0800 2002 61675 0 Fine 2 61859 It's an interesting question. Any of you folks shared my experiences growing up in my generation (born 1968, so a GenXer)? Perhaps I can make it clear why chains figure so prominently in my gastronomic life. I'm reading Ruth Reichl's book about how she became a gourmet--I've discovered a soulmate. I came from a family obsessed with food, but Mom (bless her dear departed heart) was not a good cook. She wasn't the blythe homicide Reichl's mother was, she never served rotten food, but only a few dishes did she make truly well. Therefore I jumped at chances to eat out with my friends, once I became a teen. And if you grew up in technoburbish northern New Jersey like I did, you have only chains. What few independent restaurants there were had prices far beyond what I could cover with my pocket change, and none of my friends was interested in anything more advanced than Bennigans. The landscape of very-orbital New York City suburbs like Ramsey/Mahwah NJ, where I grew up, was littered with chains, but therein lay a kind of discretion, if you were willing to put your mind to it. I quickly discovered some franchises were better than others. I knew a MacDonald's that made great fries, but only Thursdays through Sundays after five. Go another time, you got soggy-salties. The Friendlies in my home town wasn't as generous with the sundae sauces as the one in Waldwick, ten minute's drive away. We became experts, especially when I turned 16 and got to drive my mother's car. Just as I was getting money and freedom enough to try some good nothern NJ restaurants, it was off to college. I went to UCONN, in the hinterlands of eastern Connecticut, where we had almost nothing but cafeteria food. I was surprised how good cafeteria food could be when I started working at Cisco a decade later--corporate cafeterias at profile Silicon Valley places could do some things quite well. But the caf at UCONN was everything you expect, and worse. So we'd pile into the car and go to the only restaurants that were around the college--chains. It was only when I got to graduate school, when I was 21, in New Brunswick, NJ, a train ride from NYC and in an older, more settled part of the state, and only when I was earning money as a teacher that I could afford to explore food. So I guess the answer to your question is, whether chowhounds are born or made, many of us have had to find the good chow in even the most unlikely places, by force of history, upbringing and financial resources, and/or the lack of a skilled cook at home. The French have yet another phrase for it, borrowed from wine: "Le gout de la terroir" (hope I spelled that right): The taste of the earth. Of course, in wine it means the particular flavor imparted to the grapes from that exact patch of earth in which it was grown. But metaphorically, it has come to mean the taste of things where you grew up. Perhaps a great gastronome would consider it a travesty that my "terroir" is a patchwork of big-chain franchises, that I'll always remember as home the perfection of a Burger King Whopper from that one BK near the high school, but...there it is. And if food is memory, and food is life, then yes, I find myself even after all these years stopping into a chain (usually when forced, true, since I'm experimenting with new experiences now and don't really want to repeat old ones, but still) to experience a taste I know, to exercize the fine senses I built as a kid about what makes a really good Big Mac. That's ultimately what I love about Chowhound.com and the people here. Here we celebrate the triumph of the Object (something perilously close to extinction in our Post-Modern, Derridian/Foucaltian world). We never really aim to name that certain something, that "it" which makes something chow-worthy, but at the same time, we reject the notion that a place--ANY place--is incapable of producing great chow. No hole too dimly lit and scary, but we'll see if it has good chow and tell the world. No fancy decor so off-putting that we won't look past the glitz and search out the best morsel. It's why I come here, every day, to see what a thousand scouts have turned up. I hope it never ends. Peter wells@emusic.com Link: http://www.burkeandwells.com Sun Mar 03 02:20:58 -0800 2002 61841 0 Burke and Wells 3 61896 First off, to me there are chains and chains. A small regional outfit like Fuzio is a very different thing from global McDonald's. Even within this category, there are differences--I like Fuzio a whole lot better than Pasta Pomodoro. But within a region there's some chance of maintaining quality control without rigid standardization, which can't be done on a national scale. Even a fairly big regional chain like Kookooroo or Rubio's can be pretty good. I'm pleased to hear there are some Rubio's here--I was just puzzling over where to get fish tacos. San Francisco Centre is an especially useful location for them, given the dearth of good reasonably priced food in the core of Downtown San Francisco. I never lived in deep suburbia, so I didn't have to develop the coping mechanism of figuring out which chain outlets are better at what. My South Jersey hometown had hoagie shops, steak sandwich places, and pizzerias. One of the ironies of this strategy is that what chains promise is uniformity, that you can be assured that a whopper will be the same in any Burger King. Apparently it's not. I don't think avoiding chains in the central Bay Area is necessarily a snobbish decision. What do we need chains for here? I'm not aware of any kind of food that you can get in a national chain that you can't get in a local restaurant or local chain. Maybe way out on the fringes of the region that's not true, but you have to go a long way (Chowhounds have been busy identifying good choices in Livermore, for example). The burger/meat oriented chains also tend to serve food with horrendous amounts of fat and salt, which I want to avoid. Fat and salt are part of food, but McDonald's is way overloaded on them. If you like some kinds of food at the chains, as Chowhounds lined up to confess that they do, so be it. Also,locally owned restaurants are part of the character of a place. They are key in making San Francisco San Francisco, Berkeley Berkeley etc. This isn't just an urban thing--noodle houses help make, for example, today's Milipitas what it is (and make it different from some otherwise similar suburbs around the country). National chains just import standard formulae. So eat at chains if you wish, but please don't tell me that somehow it's a Chowhound's duty! Mon Mar 04 00:53:52 -0800 2002 61859 0 Nathan Landau 3 5033149 Very well said!! Tue Sep 15 20:45:12 -0700 2009 61859 1108962 beekeroc 2 61865 I'd have to disagree with you. Although a chain restaurant is not a first choice for me, it does happen from time to time. The resulting food is predictable at best. But the true essence of being a Chowhound is not a disdain for chains, but the search for good food. Period. Snobbery has no place on this board - otherwise, we'd just be backslapping each other at The French Laundry, Masa's or Aqua. Pass the Petrus. If we wanted just that, we'd all love Mssr. Bauer and the reason for this board would no longer exist. Sun Mar 03 11:17:31 -0800 2002 61841 0 Erik 3 2758080 EXACTLY!! Plus, many of us have people we love DEARLY who are not hounds and like to pick the restaurant every once in a while. I'd gladly eat a dinner at CPK to be in the company of my best friend (Who aside from that quirk, is one of the most WONDERFUL person you've ever meet...) --Dommy! Tue Jul 17 12:22:52 -0700 2007 61865 10659 Dommy 3 3078731 EDIT: should have checked the date of the OP. Mon Oct 29 21:34:30 -0700 2007 61865 138472 maplesugar 3 3543168 Amen! I have always loved good food, regardless of where it comes from. Just because I don't seek out food from chain restaurants doesn't mean I will never eat at one, especially when circumstances dictate the necessity to do so. Sun Mar 30 11:46:31 -0700 2008 61865 124476 FoodieKat 2 61883 I second Peter's eloquent statement, and support the idea that dismissing chain restaurants simply because they are corporate is nothing but snobbishness (a reverse of the thinking that any restaurant with greasy tables and cockroaches can't make good food, but just as insidious.) I need to raise another counter to the statement that there is no need to visit chain restaurants in the Bay Area. My partner and I moved to SF 7 years ago from Chicago. We did not think much about food at the time since we didn't make much money in the midwest, but moving here opened our eyes to the possibilities of great food. In Chicago, we had a list of favourite restaurants (none of them chains) where we were able to get inexpensive good quality food (mostly comfort/southern food.) When we moved here we were excited to learn about the wonderful experiences that we could have with good food, but have always found it difficult to find a good meal in the middle ground - it's either a taqueria or Zuni, not much in between. (This is compounded by the fact that my partner does not like asian food, which seems to really be the only viable option.) What we had in Chicago that is missing here: good independant fast food (I take exception to nasty steamed tortilla burritos), and honest independant restaurants that serve food for the same prices as the chains (entree's @ $10, etc...) I hope someone can prove me wrong. Until then, I'm still going to enjoy chicken fried steak at Chili's now and then. Sun Mar 03 20:48:23 -0800 2002 61841 0 Paul C 3 4720821 Interesting discussion here. My 2 cents would note that simple American breakfast food is probably about one of my comfort faves. And who in the world tends to make the best, perfectly grilled hash browns and impecable buttermilk pancakes? Well, where I live it is an IHOP on Richmond Hwy in Alexandria VA. There is another IHOP a few miles away that is OK, but not up to the standards of the Richmand Hwy joint. So the idea is if the kind of food you are looking for is fairly generic (like American breakfast food), I'll take a chance on a specialty (meaning focus on breakfast fare) chain like IHOP on equal odds with some other non-chain that in all likelihood may not even have any sort of first rank cooks on their first shift in the AM. Wed May 27 20:52:11 -0700 2009 61883 146763 Plankwalker 2 61900 As to why a chowhound would eat in such a place ... I'm just old enough (turning 43 this month), and perhaps not suburban enough, that eating out and fast food weren't common in my childhood. Pizza was a big deal, not a ho-hum fall back. I don't remember eating at MacDonalds until I was in my teens, and that was with friends, not with my family. I rarely eat at chains, but when I do I suppose the main reasons are the same as most people's: they are cheap and convenient, and fairly reliable for what they are. This is especially true if I'm on the road, and particularly if I'm with someone who is not a chowhound, or with my roommate and her son when he was younger (he's a good little sushi-eating chowpup now, though). Since you never know when you're going to be in a situation where a chain is actually your best (or only) choice (for example I've spent four days on the outskirts of Colorado Springs without a car where the only choices within walking distance were Arby's, Subway, Denny's, Chili's and Outback Steakhouse), it's valuable to have some ideas about how to make the best of it. Mon Mar 04 02:17:33 -0800 2002 61841 0 Ruth Lafler 2 61907 Well, I read Fine's response and then had to go and read the WHOLE entire thread to make sure what I'd say had not been said before. So, as been so well said already, what does eating at a chain have to do with being a chowhound. There are good chains, and in this whole post, I have not seen mention of the two BEST chains: popeyes and krispy kreme. More important, what is a chain and what is "real food". In Chicago, as pointed out by another poster, we still are blessed with a range of independents. Yet these independents still buy from large companies. In other words is there any difference from a chain if every place buys from the same suppliers? Also, what of Wolfgang Puck, Emeril, Alan Stillman, Lettuce Entertain You, Alain Ducase, etc., are these chains? Even Alice Waters has more than one operation. Must we limit our intake to only the most pure? Rob Mon Mar 04 10:44:34 -0800 2002 61841 0 Vital Information 3 61915 Cannot help but note that Popeye's has suffered since Al Copeland was suckered by investment bankers and had to give the place up (but he kept the recipes and, I hear, is paid for their use). But even in teh old days the quality varied from shop to shop. Great idea, though. Take stuff no one wants (like pumice for your buildings) and less than perfect birds and season the hell out of them. Just updating the whole reason for the Spice Trail--gotta love it. Mon Mar 04 12:28:09 -0800 2002 61907 0 Hazelhurst 4 2758093 I think that is why in general, Chain-hood is tragic... I went to school just as the above mentioned Rubios was starting to sell franchises. I've had and MISS greatly the food that was once lovingly prepared there (Which has suffered not only by being 'chained' but also when the franchise opperation was not going well and they had to change 'direction') However, I will admit, when compared to Taco Bell and their ilk... they still are putting out a pretty good product.... And now, don't even get me started on EPL... That would drive me to tears... --Dommy! Tue Jul 17 12:26:26 -0700 2007 61915 10659 Dommy 3 2748654 That small restaurants still order lots of stuff from large companies (Ben E. Kieth and sysco) is a very good point. Fri Jul 13 20:23:45 -0700 2007 61907 84570 kindofabigdeal 1 61895 El Pollo Supremo. 'nuff said. Mon Mar 04 00:51:05 -0800 2002 61675 0 Jupiter 1 61913 If I were stuck in a motel on the outskirts of Colorado Springs I suppose I'd go to Olive Garden. But if there were any other choice I wouldn't. Why? How did Corloado Springs get that way? McD came to town and within a year or so Mom's Diner shut down. Chains have driven low end food out of business. 35 years ago as a young teen I went to this little one-man hamburger hut in LA on Vermont where they produced a terrific burger on a hard Kaiser roll--It was so good I still think about it. The guy who worked there made a living, raised kids, and could afford to take them to the doctor when they needed to go. Can you say that of people who work in marginal fast-food chain jobs? Now those one man kind of places are all but gone. The only cheap food other than fast-food is ethnic. If you're spending $8-15 for a meal at a chain every meal you eat is like a knife in the heart of a non-chain place. You can say that there are no places that do real cooking (not frozen crap)in that price range, but the truth is if there are none it is because you ate them alive by eating at Rubio's or Olive Garden. Talking about how great the breadsticks at Olive Garden are is a crime against nature. Link: http://www.curmudgeon.com Mon Mar 04 12:19:24 -0800 2002 61675 0 Curmudgeon 2 61926 The LIbrary of Congress has a recording of HL Mencken railing about chow wagons at workplaces being examples of "bad money drives out good." The wagons were ruining the little joints, he said, and basically the whole word is going to hell. So the argument is old but no less valid. I have never seen anyone who knows a goddamn thing about Italian food doing any raves about Olive Garden. I'm not saying they don't treat you like family---it is just that someone does not treat his family very well Mon Mar 04 13:37:11 -0800 2002 61913 0 Hazelhurst 2 61943 It's all well and good to have memories of glorious non-chain hamburgers, but my experience is that low-end non-chain food can be pretty bad. This is less true in big cities, but once you get out of major metro areas, the food at a Mom and Pop diner is likely to be just as pre-packaged as a chain. Sure there are still some good ones, but there are many more bad ones where the veggies will be frozen, all the lettuce will be dry, browning iceberg, the hamburgers will have been frozen, the buns will taste like cardboard, and the sauces will all have come out of cans. The worst food I've had in the last few years has been at the locally owned bar/restaurant on my corner where the burgers are much worse than McD's and the rest of the food is several notches below Applebee's. It's a convenient place to drink, but I've always regretted the few times I've ordered anything to eat. The other thing to remember is that at least in the west and southwest, a lot of these communities have experienced most of their growth in the post-chain era. There were very few local eateries to cannibalize in the first place. Mon Mar 04 14:54:45 -0800 2002 61913 0 Ruth Lafler 2 61955 I wrote this essay seven months ago and posted it here on SF Bay Area Chowhounds. I reprint now it in the hopes it'll complicate the question of what exactly constitutes a chain. Peter wells@emusic.com You'd drive a country mile for the rich, authentic, one-of-a-kind ice cream perfection that is Baskin & Robbins, right? Neither would we. But this B&R in a strip mall near the Sunnyvale/Mountain View border is perhaps unique: it's not a Denny's, it's not a Lyon's or Carrow's, but it's open LATE. If you know Silicon Valley you know it locks up around 10:00pm every night. Even on a Saturday all you'll find open are liquor stores and Sevens Eleven, or the occasional teen-packed Friday's. We believe it's a result of intense labor costs: no one can afford even minimum wage workers to capture the unpredictable late-night market. Fast food is a casualty as well, with Taco Bell your only recourse (and Wells won't eat there for all the tea in China). Last night, driving home from San Francisco past midnight after sushi, desperate for a milkshake, we were steering towards the supermarket for fixings, when an otherwise unremarkable B&R in Sunnyvale glowed under the light of its OPEN sign. "It must be a mistake," we thought, but no: inside were two folks sitting at a table enjoying ice cream. We were so astonished we forgot how little we liked Baskin & Robbins ice cream. The owner started scooping Burke's sundae and explained the mystery behind his innacurate "Closes at 10:00pm" sign. A refugee from Vietnam years ago, he remembers having terrible hunger and almost no money. Once, three minutes before a place closed, they slammed the door on him. Standing beside the locked door, he vowed someday he'd own his own place, and he'd never turn away a customer just because it was closing time. So here he is, the only ice cream parlor open past midnight north of San Jose and south of San Francisco International, spooning out calories to tireless engineers, bleary sysadmins and the rest of the computer world's nocturnal menagerie. "I've had a customer as late as 4:30am once," he says. "I do sometimes close at 10:00 like I should, but it's just my wife and me here, so 85% of the time we keep it open as long as we're awake. If the sign is lit, just bang on the door until we come out." All we ask for in a restaurant is a bit of caring, that touch of thoughtfulness that reveals a deeper philosophy. In a chain like Baskin & Robbins you can't really control the quality. By marrying less-than-perfect ice cream to friendly, convenient service, by taking the extra step, this B&R becomes one of the brightest spots on El Camino Real, and a Burke & Wells recommendation. Peter A Burke and Wells Essay Link: http://www.burkeandwells.com Mon Mar 04 15:53:32 -0800 2002 61913 0 Burke and Wells 2 62053 I don't understand the need for this distinction. If a chain restaurant is the best alternative you have, eat there. If not, eat at a non-chain. Tue Mar 05 03:01:25 -0800 2002 61913 0 Dave Feldman 2 62164 Interesting exagerration. As Rubio's was started by a San Diego gentleman who wanted to recreate the fish tacos he ate in Baja, and all the stores are owned by the family company, in that essence it is a family-run place. From what I understand the family that started In-n-Out also owns all their restaurants (not franchised or part of a large public company/conglomerate). As a sidenote, I remember reading that Julia Childs likes a McD's burger from time to time (dont ask me how, I hate 'em). According to your diatribe, that would make her partly responsible for the degradation of American cuisine as we know it. P.S. Please stop advertising on this site. Wed Mar 06 17:46:16 -0800 2002 61913 0 srf1 1 61986 A double-double animal-style at In-and-Out Burger A King burger at Fat Burger Mon Mar 04 17:52:26 -0800 2002 61675 0 andrew 1 2721878 Carraba's Tagliarini Picchi Pacchiu w. grilled jumbo shrimp... although after 4 years of eating it I still cannot pronounce it correctly... Thu Jul 05 13:08:56 -0700 2007 61675 46632 tapas gal 1 2721904 Thank you for reminding me about Spaghetti Factory; a dozen years ago (when I was quite impoverished), I enjoyed their 50/50 with Clams and Mizithra cheese. Now, I admit to still occasionally craving Red Lobster's cheese muffins and Marie Calendar's cornbread. Once a year, I go to KFC for fried chicken. I remember when CPK first opened -- I would go to the one in West Hollywood for their chopped salad and any of the pizzas. They were all fabulous, as was their tiramisu. Thu Jul 05 13:14:38 -0700 2007 61675 16933 Carrie 218 2 3025531 Funny! That is what I ordered when I went to the Spaghetti Factory- as a teenager that was a really fun place to go. I still love their house- pesto- dressing! Thu Oct 11 11:29:09 -0700 2007 2721904 72839 natalie.warner 3 3025603 I still love their dressing, too. However, to cut costs in the last few months you no longer get croutons unless you specifically request them. How cheap can you get? Thu Oct 11 11:47:23 -0700 2007 3025531 10992 katya 1 2721946 I hit a Loco Pollo (or is it the other way around?) in Vegas. I think their chicken is great. KFC Original Fried Chicken, mac and cheese and those weird pudding graham cracker combo bucket dessrets Teriyaki Boy Tokyo Fried Chicken with Curry Sauce over Rice California Roll Ihop Pancakes of course Waffle House Bacon and Eggs Popey's Those heavily faux buttered biscuits and all their rice dishes Nathan's Cheeseburgers and The Fries Sbarro's Pizza and some pasta dishes Joe's Crab Shack Crawdaddy's: They always take it easy with salt on request. Boston Market Ham, creamed spinach and stuffing Does Gray's Papaya count? Hot Dogs. Haagen Daaz Chocolate Chocolate Chip Thu Jul 05 13:30:11 -0700 2007 61675 15393 bigmackdaddy 1 2722609 Cheesecake Factory Pasta w/ Four Cheese, extra ricotta, add broccoli Oreo Chzcke Vanilla Bean Chzcke Linda's Fabu Fudge Cake CPK Jamaican Jerk Pizza (no bacon) Kids Mac'n'Cheese Brownie plain JITB Curly Fries Oreo Shake Starbucks Crumble Coffee Cake Koo Koo Roo Mac'n'Cheese Steamed veggies Brownie La Salsa Quesadilla Baja Fresh Naked Burrito or Burrito in a bowl Ruth's Chris Lobster Broccoli head Cinnabon duh no nuts Dairy Queen Vanilla Breeze w/ mucho rainbow sprinkles Marie Callendar's Cornbread Thu Jul 05 17:04:35 -0700 2007 61675 15572 Emme 2 2723292 I don't understand why a 5 year old thread was resuscitated. Thu Jul 05 22:20:07 -0700 2007 2722609 10516 MplsM ary 3 2723408 For the fun of it? Obviously somebody searched, responded to an older thread, and then when the rest of us saw it in Hot Posts... we followed suit. Thu Jul 05 23:50:05 -0700 2007 2723292 15572 Emme 3 2724039 'Cuz a lot can change in Five Years. Fri Jul 06 08:20:56 -0700 2007 2723292 16933 Carrie 218 3 2724278 It's better than the constant repeat q's of the same subject you see over again. Fri Jul 06 09:24:05 -0700 2007 2723292 15393 bigmackdaddy 1 2730126 Rubio's shrimp burrito Houston's Thai beef salad and vegetable plate La Salsa shrimp quesadilla Baja Fresh nachos Chipotle chips and guacamole Starbuck's chai latte Famima spicy tuna roll Corner Bakery tomato soup in bread bowl and cheesecake brownie El Pollo mac and cheese Taco Bell 7 layer burrito and caramel apple empanada Sun Jul 08 16:04:21 -0700 2007 61675 12268 mollyomormon 2 2736129 Oh yeah, Chipotle! I actually love their Bol - for me, with carnitas, black beans, cheese, sour cream, and a bit of quac. No Salsa. Tue Jul 10 10:59:57 -0700 2007 2730126 16933 Carrie 218 3 2748747 Chipotle one almost has to like for their attitude toward food sourcing alone. Check out their website and read about their efforts to buy naturally raised pork, chicken and beef and organic beans and other positive things. I just had a burrito from them yesterday and I was impressed...it wasn't an angels weeping sort of thing...but it was a good slab and having read about where the food comes from, I felt good about liking it. Fri Jul 13 21:21:48 -0700 2007 2736129 80141 ccbweb 1 2730570 I guess the term "like" is subjective. For us, it's more like "will eat for sake of convenience over other chain options." I'm OK with the meatloaf and mash at Boston Market or burgers at Outback. But "like" implies I'd actively seek those out as a primary choice. In our household, chains are almost always chosen for the simple reason than we got home late, don't want to cook, don't want to invest in going out to eat and we don't want to spend a lot of money. It's never the "Honey, where would you like to dine tonight?" "Oh, let's go to Outback" kind of "like". It's more like, "I'm not cooking and I'm not getting cleaned up, what do you think of take out from Outback?". Not quite sure that falls into "like", although the burgers are fine (but not Tessaro's). I'll add that there is both an Outback and a Boston Market within 5 minutes of our house, along with about 15 other chains, but those are the only two we patronize. We drive 20 minutes each way to get pizza instead of using chain deliveries. To date, in 51 years of eating, the only chain menu item I would actively look forward to enjoying is the guacamole at Rosa Mexicana (although Maya's is as good or better, IMO). Even then, I can do a better job at home. It's just so rare to actually have proper guac anywhere in the East that I'll do it at Rosa, even at the steep price. I don't think that's in any way snobbish. I happen to be a pretty decent cook and I like to know where my food is from and what steps it took to get into the kitchen. Thus we don't eat a lot of chain food except when it's necessary. Life is too short to dine on crap, y'know? Sun Jul 08 18:40:31 -0700 2007 61675 24421 Panini Guy 2 2730593 Here's my two cents; oh, and some of these may be exclusive to the suotheast. Steak and Shake: Frisco melt, double fries (hey, i'm 20) Waffle House: Hashbrowns covered topped and peppered, pecan waffles Chick-fil-a- nuggets and waffle fries General Tso's chicken from any food court in America Cheesecake Factory: buffalo blasts Captain D's: fish and chicken with a chocolate cake- This one is particularly dissapointing to the family because we own a small chain of seafood restaurants. Sun Jul 08 18:50:45 -0700 2007 2730570 69116 notgreg 3 2758403 Good lord, I love the Cheesecake Factory's Buffalo Blasts. What ARE they, anyway? I mean, are they basically chicken-fried buffalo chicken wontons? Tue Jul 17 13:31:38 -0700 2007 2730593 39577 nicoleberry83 1 2735485 Ok, and you might be able to see in my profile that I absolutely adore the Grand Lux Cafe. YUM! It is the upscale version of the Cheesecake Factory (same owners). I have to say I have tried almost every fish item, my husband is addicted to the Crispy Caramel Chicken (it is really wonderful) and for apps, the chicken rolls with buffalo hot sauce wow! I have had other items such as the Indochine chicken and shrimp, pretty amazing. I have also had all of the Salmon items, and lets see…the Chicken items as well. Do not lose my time on the salads since they are pretty similar to any other chain. The bread is house made and delicious. The desserts as a difference to the Cheesecake Factory, are made to order, meaning you wuill see a dessert menu in the middle of your main course/apps menu since they take more than 30 minutes to bake. Then appart from that they have your normal cheesecake desserts. If you have a Grand Lux Café please go, it is really good. We go for late lunch almost every Sunday here in Aventura FL, seeing we live right there from it. Tue Jul 10 08:28:21 -0700 2007 61675 104564 SarahOM 2 2749635 Let's keep it going: Almost anything at Red Lobster that is dripping in butter Chopped salad at CPK Enchilado style burrito at Baja Fresh Hard shell tacos at Del Taco Regular plain old hamburgers at McDs Original boneless skinless chicken breast at Koo Koo Roo Mizithra cheese at Spaghetti Factory Original recipe breast at KFC (with slaw!) Fresh peach pie in season at Marie Calendar's That's enough for now - very nice to take inventory of my less bourgeois delights! Sat Jul 14 11:33:42 -0700 2007 2735485 18049 djquinnc 1 2750309 Cinnabon: the namesake, natch. Red Robin: Bleu Ribbon Burger, seasoning. Taco Bell: Frito Burrito(chili, cheese, and Fritos) Arby's: Potato Cakes Rally's: Fries DQ: PB Cup and Oreo Blizzard Long John Silver's: Chicken Planks, fries and hp w/lots of malt vinigar Sat Jul 14 17:46:00 -0700 2007 61675 101387 willrun4food 1 2750506 Taco Bell: cheesy gordita crunch (not often on the menu, but ask--typically they have it) Olive Garden: minestrone, salad, and breadsticks = perfect lunch Wendy's: chicken nuggets KFC: mashed potatoes and gravy Cheesecake Factory: spicy crispy chicken sandwich (with extra spicy buffalo sauce) Applebees: french fries dipped in blue cheese dressing Sat Jul 14 19:52:13 -0700 2007 61675 97325 MDoodle 1 2758100 At Cracker Barrel I like their side dish which is a casserole made out of hashbrowns and cheese. I can't remember what it's called. Tue Jul 17 12:27:51 -0700 2007 61675 90824 lucybobo 2 2758170 Oddly, the Cracker Barrel creatively named it "hashbrown casserole". Go figure. Tue Jul 17 12:43:50 -0700 2007 2758100 107202 BarbDwyer 1 2758103 Charlie Brown's- Charlie' Cut Prime Rib, Cowboy Steak, Porterhouse, Sweet Potato Fries Cheesecake Factory- Skirt Steak, Cajun Chicken Littles, Ranch House Burger, Chicken Madiera, Macaroni and Cheese, Mashed Potatoes, Godiva Chocolate Cheesecake, Chocolate Tuxedo, Banana Cream Bonefish Grill- Fontina Chops Famous Dave's- Ribs, Chicken, FRIES, CornBread, Bread Pudding Tue Jul 17 12:28:32 -0700 2007 61675 76968 steakrules85 2 2758322 Orange chicken @ Cheesecake Factory Hawaiian Pizza @ CPK Tue Jul 17 13:13:40 -0700 2007 2758103 86665 mrsgus 1 2758215 Cheesecake Factory: Chicken Madeira Bahama Breeze: everything especially the calamari appetizer Five Guys: burger and fries...duh Fridays: jack daniels chicken thingys and buff wings Tue Jul 17 12:53:04 -0700 2007 61675 112332 luv2eatalldaylong 1 2758796 Cheesecake Factory: Chicken Picatta (xtra side of sauce) Fudruckers: Hamburgers (lots of cheese goop) Boston Market: Meatloaf (who wants to heat the oven in Phoenix?) Texas Road House: Ribs Black Angus: Fried Zucchini with cucumber dip Red Lobster: Snow crab legs, crab stuffed mushrooms Bahama Breeze: Cuban Bread Tue Jul 17 15:04:10 -0700 2007 61675 17495 Kari 2 2758824 Arby's: Turkey Reuben without saurkraut, Potato Cakes, Jamocha shake. The classic combo. Baja Fresh: Fish tacos, and lots of cilantro from the salsa bar. CPK: Singapore Shrimp Rolls (I'm surprised nobody has mentioned them) McDonald's: (generally after 12:00 a.m.) Cheeseburger Happy Meal eaten as quickly as possible, onions removed from cheeseburger Noodles and Co: Mac and Cheese, flat bread, Rice Krispie Cookie Potbelly Sandwiches: Turkey sandwich on whole wheat, shake or smoothie, mini chocolate chip cookies (available only by the bag and definitely worth getting over the larger ones) Steak and Shake: almost anything, but love the kids' meal with grilled cheese and small shake (not on the drive-thru menu but they make it if you ask) Fries, meh White Castle: Cheeseburgers without onions (upon request) fries and just water or a small shake Tue Jul 17 15:14:45 -0700 2007 2758796 83766 brendastarlet 1 2758850 I don't eat much at chains but I mystery shopped them after I quit my job. There are a few things I recall fondly McDs: The fries, of course, and McGriddles and those dang hashbrowns Carls Jr: fried zucchini with ranch dressing Red Lobster: Cheese biscuits Pollo Loco: grilled chicken breasts with orange chili lime sauce Baja Fresh: Chicken Baja Ensalada, their salsa bar. Actually, I'll pass up a lot of restaurants to go to Baja Fresh BJ's Pizza: Pizookie I also used to eat at Koo Koo Roo when I worked nearby. The rotisserie chicken, steamed italian veg, and green beans. And the mac n cheese was good too. Tue Jul 17 15:26:26 -0700 2007 61675 71215 mlgb 1 2759971 Koo Koo Roo: Mac and cheese, Tangy Tomato Salad CPK: Split Pea and Barley Soup, Singapore Shrimp Rolls Rubios: Shrimp Burrito Red Lobster: Cheddar Garlic Biscuits (though I haven't had these in over a decade I still think of them fondly...) McD: Filet o' Fish (maybe once a year I crave it and MUST HAVE IT) Wed Jul 18 00:32:51 -0700 2007 61675 15098 chuckles 1 2759983 OMG, am I the only one with a soft spot for chicken mcnuggets with "hot" mustard sauce?!?! Wed Jul 18 01:05:15 -0700 2007 61675 11204 srr 2 2760074 Nope... that's the only way I'll eat them. I get mad when my husband thinks honey mustard is the same. My chain faves include the following: 1905 salad and bread from the Columbia Restaurant Corned beef hash and the honey oat muffins from Mimi's Onion rings from Smokey Bones Many of the soups from Panera Carnitas from Don Pablos Checkers/Rally's french fries Cornbread and fried okra from Cracker Barrel Wed Jul 18 05:02:41 -0700 2007 2759983 19537 AlyKen 2 2760078 omg yes!!! i love nuggets with hot mustard! Wed Jul 18 05:03:54 -0700 2007 2759983 112332 luv2eatalldaylong 3 2762788 good God man, fresh, hot salty fries with hot mustard and sometimes a schoch of that weirdly sweet bbq sauce! I read some nonsense waaaayyyy up there about not considering yourself chow if you go to a chain? Seriously already. Not everyone has the time/money/resources to go to Prime every night of their lives. We both work 45-50 hours, have 2 dogs, a 9 year old niece that lives with us and about a bazillion of her friends here all the time. Realistically, chains have come a looonnnggg way, baby. While I would love to hit the high end "chowhound only" restaurants 3 nights a week, my bank account or my lifestyle does not love it. Some chains are a little shady...some are a little better. When you have an SUV of 9 and 10 year old girls that just came from 3 hours of gymnastics in 90 degree heat, there ain't a damn thing better than hitting a Wendy's with enough .99 chicken nuggets to fill up the whole rear of the truck. Get over it already. Sheeeessshhh. Wed Jul 18 17:44:00 -0700 2007 2760078 70200 chelleyd01 4 2762957 Wow, Chevy's was the first thing I though of, funny it turned out so many other people like it too. I like the mixed grill fajitas (no ribs please, more chicken instead), especially because it can easily feed two people, even though I could probably eat it myself if I didn't fill up on chips and salsa, which I also like very much. Burger King double cheeseburger is a secret favorite of mine as well. MMM. Oh almost forgot, Jack in the Box tacos, don't know why, we ate them a lot as teenagers when we were poor and there was nothing else open late. Wed Jul 18 18:41:06 -0700 2007 2762788 91425 virtualguthrie 4 2768998 and along with those nuggets don't forget the frosty's.....when it's hot they hit the spot. Staying with the budget most of the time allows for those special chowhound excursions. My kids think that MCD's and Wendy's are a treat, they will learn as they grow. Fri Jul 20 14:53:44 -0700 2007 2762788 40385 othervoice 3 2857752 Me too! I had to give them up cause they are so fattening, but I miss them! Sat Aug 18 10:02:17 -0700 2007 2760078 80193 Trufflebaby 1 2794063 McD's: Cheeseburger, Fries, McRib (I know, I know, I take lots of heckling from all I know for loving this. I almost never eat at McD's unless it is McRib-time) Wendy's: Frosty and Fries (dip the salty fries in the sweet goodness of chocolate...reminds me of studying for finals). Chili's: Southwestern Egg Rolls and Chicken Crispers Panera: any salad, but especially the Fuji Apple Chicken Salad Mr. Goodcent's: Roasted Chicken on Wheat w/ everything Houlihan's: Stuffed Chicken Breast w/ Mashers Sun Jul 29 13:51:37 -0700 2007 61675 75006 amy_rc 1 2794166 When someone from the Southeast moves away, the first place they want to go when they come back for a visit is the Krystal- almost without exception... Sun Jul 29 14:40:40 -0700 2007 61675 96658 Clarkafella 2 2823762 Lord, yes. When I go home I want Krystal, Krispy Kreme, and a Sonic Cherry Limeade. Not necessarily together. Tue Aug 07 19:08:38 -0700 2007 2794166 86588 marlowebeach 1 2801394 BJ's Restaurant & Brewhouse makes a pretty tasty jambalaya that's been consistently good at the 3 locations I've eaten at. I knew they were a chain, but didn't realize they're in 10 states until I looked their website just now. Tue Jul 31 16:40:08 -0700 2007 61675 11011 Eugene Park 2 2803615 I love their pizza. I was once chided because "you'd never find that in Chicago" So what? they never even say they're chicago style. Wed Aug 01 10:52:29 -0700 2007 2801394 84570 kindofabigdeal 1 2801443 hmmmm.... Key lime cheese cake& Lettuce Wraps -Cheesecake Factory Cheeseburgers & Fries-Mc D. (miss the special mayo from back home though...) Whopper w cheese-Bk (eventhough i always regret it afterwards, it just sits there in ur stomach for the rest of the day, hahaha Queso Dip & Sonora Chicken pasta (w/out the chicken, haha)-Ruby Tuesdays Spinach Dip-Houstons Close Talker & Art Vandalay Streaker-Moe's Singapore Noodles-PF Changs Bangkok Noodles-Stir Crazy That's all I can think of... haha, probably more stuf!! Tue Jul 31 16:53:30 -0700 2007 61675 107509 mariekeac 2 4661473 I really like the Blazing Noodles at Stir Crazy. They have hot red Fresno peppers and sugar snap peas. Really good. And even better as leftovers when the peppers get it hotter. The wings and chicken satay appetizers at Stir Crazy are also great. Wed May 06 22:05:18 -0700 2009 2801443 11925 MisterBill2 1 2816341 fresh Krispy Kreme White Castle (the Ur fast food?) A&W root beer float Red Robin burgers with crispy fried onions Denny's Moon over My Hammy (actually not so good but I love the name) Steak & SHake (almost anything except the fries which are awful) Sun Aug 05 18:57:11 -0700 2007 61675 55556 gargantua 1 2818803 Jeez Louise, too many food snobs! C'mon people, loosen the shorts, okay? Criticizing people for liking something you don't is about is pointless. Tastes differ, so get a grip! That said, the best burger has to be a Tommy's double double chili burger served with chili cheese onion fries. ( http://www.originaltommys.com ) In-and-Out is a close second, but the lack of heart attack chili cost it the lead, IMO. -Red Lobster's cheese biscuits -McD's sausage McGriddle -Taco Bell's Crunchwrap Supreme -"Wet fries" at The Hat in LA. (Crispy seasoned fries served w/ brown gravy.) http://www.thehat.com -Del Taco's Macho Burrito (sometimes quantity is a good thing.) -7-11 Slurpees (my fave is 1/2 Coke and 1/2 cherry) -PF Chang's Chengdu lamb -CPK BBQ chicken and Thai chicken pizzas -Sonic's chocolate malt, junior burger, and cranberry slush -Taco Cabana's carne guisada (only seen TC in Texas) and their flour tortillas. Since I'm on a "no added salt" diet, these faves are all things in my past (except the drinks and the In & Out--order it protein style without salt, pickles and sauce), but I remember them fondly. Mon Aug 06 13:53:37 -0700 2007 61675 99521 KenWritez 2 2820238 I like chain restaurants because no matter what you always know what to expect. Cheese Cake Factory - Thai Chicken Pasta Claim Jumpers - Black Bean Steak Chili in the Bread Bowl with the Cheddar Toast! Mimi's Cafe - Chicken Feta Penne with Marniara Sauce instead of cream sauce Giordano's - Spinach Stuffed Pizza Deep Dish Corner Bakery - Tomato Basil in a Bread Bowl McD's - Egg Mcmuffin! I also agree Mc Rib kicks major butt. Wendy's - Chili (Add 2 ketchup packets and 4 crackers!) Outback Steakhouse - Pumpernickel Bread Texas Road House - Sweet Bread Cracker Barrel - Fried Apples, Corn Bread Muffins with gravy mmmmmm KFC - Mashed Potatos and Gravy Tacone - Sweet Potato Fries Panda Express - Orange Chicken and Chow Mein Mon Aug 06 22:23:47 -0700 2007 2818803 74635 flyerfan182 3 2821441 I know there is no way that they bring the McRib back every year just for me. No one admits to liking it, but it must sell... Tue Aug 07 09:25:10 -0700 2007 2820238 75006 amy_rc 4 2823460 O yes the thing about the Mcrib is the cult following! Gotta love em Tue Aug 07 17:24:14 -0700 2007 2821441 74635 flyerfan182 4 2823720 I will admit I do not like the McRib in the least, but seeing as how I really enjoy McD's ice cream, it's certainly not because of my fine tastes. Tue Aug 07 18:54:41 -0700 2007 2821441 84570 kindofabigdeal 5 2824237 MSNBC has a great news segment tonight on the McDonalds corporation. They briefly talked about the McRib I got excited. haha Tue Aug 07 23:18:01 -0700 2007 2823720 74635 flyerfan182 2 2836439 Hi Ken, Gee I thought I was the only one who drank Coke Slurpee's, totally awesome. IMO Red Lobster should go into the biscuit business and leave the seafood business to people who know what their doing. I love their biscuits. Sat Aug 11 14:12:45 -0700 2007 2818803 40385 othervoice 3 2837421 I also love Red Lobster's biscuits. I was thinking of looking for a Red Lobster to eat lunch at today...but I wasn't in the mood for any of their other food...just the biscuits. Sun Aug 12 00:01:38 -0700 2007 2836439 47097 southerngal 4 2838869 the funny thing is that yesterday i was talking with a friend of mine on how much we love the bread from outback steakhouse. we kept talking about it so much that we wanted it bad. so we drove around burbank and found an outback. as we sit down we ask the waiter to bring 4 loaves of that stuff! he laughed and was like sounds good. needless to say i ordered their chicken grill thing and subbed sweet potato for the rice. it was surprisingly a very very good meal! anyhow another chain story that was actually good. outback has always been a place that i never have had bad luck at. Sun Aug 12 17:48:42 -0700 2007 2837421 74635 flyerfan182 4 2941527 I have a easy, yummy recipe that I've tweaked. They taste like Red Lob biscuits if you want me to share. Fri Sep 14 10:12:58 -0700 2007 2837421 98537 shalisah 5 2943591 Please share! Fri Sep 14 23:11:31 -0700 2007 2941527 47097 southerngal 6 2950385 Cheddar Biscuits Ingredients: 2 cups Bisquick 1 to 1 1/4 c. shredded sharp cheddar 2/3 c milk (any kind) 3/4 tsp garlic powder (ingredients below for after baking) 2 tbsp melted butter 2 tsp dried parsley 1 tsp garlic powder Preheat oven to 400. Lightly grease cookie sheet, or I just bake mine on a stone. Combine Bisquick, cheese, and garlic powder. Stir in milk. Drop by heaping spoonfuls onto cookie sheet. Bake for 10 minutes. While baking, put the 1 tsp garlic powder and parsley into melted butter. Stir until powder is dissolved. Brush biscuits with butter mixture, then bake for about 2-4 more minutes. This usually makes about 8 biscuits. Mon Sep 17 17:29:35 -0700 2007 2943591 98537 shalisah 7 2951018 Thanks! Sounds easy. Mon Sep 17 21:04:41 -0700 2007 2950385 47097 southerngal 7 3079812 Thank you for posting this recipe. I swear the Red Lobster biscuits are made with crack cocaine, they are so addictive. I am making these TONIGHT. Tue Oct 30 10:11:40 -0700 2007 2950385 27604 Miss Clare 1 2829549 I got to thinking about this topic today. (Clearly I don't have enough to do.) Given my druthers, I'd eat at my favorite local fine dining resto over anywhere else. It's nice when you begin developing a friendship with the chef! Yet occasionally I want something sloppy, cheesy, meaty, with good salsa or sauce, something I can eat out of waxed paper, foil or a foam box. Something that doesn't require me to dress more formally or shell out $30 for an entree. Something that I can eat there or take home and eat comfortably while sitting at the table in only my underwear and running shoes. (My favorite housecleaning outfit, BTW. Maximum exothermody, freedom of movement, comfort, and no worries about staining clothing with grease or cleaning agents.) Obviously I'm talking about *really* low-brow food, taco truck or drive-thru window stuff. Remember that line from the movie "Demolition Man"? "Now all restaurants are Taco Bell." Sometimes I crave that fake cheese, bizarre ground beef, rice and beans, stamped-out tortillas. It doesn't have to be TB: A trip to In & Out might be the only satisfaction possible, or McD for a Filet-o-Fish with extra pickles and onions, or even KFC for some serious fried chicken and utterly synthetic brown gravy and mashed potatoes. But no matter how much I might like *one* of the above meals, I'd be power-heaving if I had to make a steady diet of them, or eat more than one in a day. I think low-brow food like what people've listed here is best used sparingly, like a seasoning, You don't shake paprika on everything you eat, or soon everything tastes like paprika, and that means it tastes like nothing at all. Thu Aug 09 11:16:24 -0700 2007 61675 99521 KenWritez 1 2837248 My better 3/4 marvels at how I can do high concept cuisine (search for my reviews of West in Vancouver or the the dearly departed Globe Cafe By Moonlight in Salt Lake City) and also swoon over QSR fodder and the like. But I love this thread! :D A few things come to mind immediately that I haven't seen mentioned...I'll edit in the rest later: Chili's - I am a fool for their (kinda) new Firecracker Tilapia. The fish always comes out moist and nicely cooked and the topping has a nice kicky flavor. Lone Star Steakhouse - The chopped steak (topped with sauteed mushrooms and onions) rules. This is a chain that knows how to cook chopped beef RARE, and will actually do it. Consistently good, beefy flavor, and along with the baked sweet potato (loaded with butter and cinnamon, natch) and their surprisingly good wedge salad, it's a great deal for $11. And speaking of wedge salads: Tony Roma's - WOW. Their new take on the wedge has a tomato vinaigrette thing going on that totally kicks butt. Me and the missus comment about it regularly. Mimi's Cafe - Huevos y Papas. Really tasty Southwestern-style potato cakes with 2 eggs (over easy for me on this dish) with a yummy tomatillo salsa poured over the top. A little sour cream and salsa fresca are the finishing touches on a breakfast that definitely wakes up the taste buds. Sat Aug 11 21:36:34 -0700 2007 61675 10576 GroovinGourmet 2 2838494 Jack in the Box tacos and onion rings Sun Aug 12 14:38:09 -0700 2007 2837248 11737 NoeMan 3 4949159 My wife wholeheartedly agrees on Jack's tacos...especially after midnight. Sat Aug 15 13:25:04 -0700 2009 2838494 66543 BeenThereAteThat 4 4950760 Oh yeah... it's been a while since I was out driving around late, but Jack's tacos and onion rings were the best back in the day. Sun Aug 16 11:25:09 -0700 2009 4949159 105625 EWSflash 1 2838572 I love the chain Carabba's. I know there's a bunch on the East Coast, but not sure how far they've spread. The Chicken Bryan is soooo good. The also make pretty decent calamari----not easy to do. In most places they overcook them so much it's like chewing on little bicycle tires. They also serve booze, which is always a plus in my book! Order a nice house red. Sun Aug 12 15:16:40 -0700 2007 61675 113872 diablo 1 2839723 Extra Crispy chicken and Mac & Cheese at KFC Walkabout soup and salad dressing at Outback Double cheeseburger at McDonalds Boston Market Mashed potatoes Panera Bread's Greek Salad Now I'm hungry... Mon Aug 13 06:01:53 -0700 2007 61675 109812 crosby_p 1 2853958 Chengdu spiced Lamb at Pf Changs - amazing with cumin and mint. Fri Aug 17 00:23:03 -0700 2007 61675 14086 kare_raisu 1 2857322 Not my choice--colleagues and I ate at TGIFriday's yesterday for lunch, and I ordered fish and chips, as I knew we were having burgers for dinner. I was very pleasantly surprised. The fish came out piping hot in a batter that was almost like tempura. Very tasty, albeit a bit salty. Sat Aug 18 04:56:48 -0700 2007 61675 109573 coney with everything 1 2857452 Tres Leches Cheesecake at the Factory Sat Aug 18 07:09:52 -0700 2007 61675 14086 kare_raisu 1 2857698 Wawa- Turkey Hoagie Ruby Tuesday's salad bar (croutons are legit!) 3 more (or is it one long one?) simple words: FILET-O-FISH Sat Aug 18 09:35:27 -0700 2007 61675 101707 yankeefan 2 3024757 Filet-o-Fish rocks! So do the Yankees! Thu Oct 11 08:22:20 -0700 2007 2857698 116638 southernitalian 3 3026194 No comment Thu Oct 11 14:05:37 -0700 2007 3024757 11737 NoeMan 3 4676144 Indeed. And although Im not a fan of the new stadium, the tradition holds of hitting the Mickey D's right outside of the stadium for a couple Filet o Fish on the way in to wash down the pints. Tue May 12 06:56:59 -0700 2009 3024757 101707 yankeefan 1 2949941 @ Fine: If you consider yourself such an exclusive ChowHound, such that no ChowHound should ever step foot in a chain restaurant, what are you doing on the Chains board (which, by the way, ChowHound chose to include as a board). Take your complaints re chains elsewhere. Now, here are my fave chain dishes: Chart House best caesar salad on the planet Outback second best caesar salad Grand Lux Cafe chicken tenders with waffles and maple syrup - wow! Starbucks green tea latte Houston's best chicken fingers on the planet (they are kind of lightly tempura fried), with cauliflower in curry sauce, and of course the spinach dip! Maggiano's beef braised canneloni, spinach salad PF Changs orange beef Ruths Chris petite filet, medium rare Cheesecake Factory shrimp & bacon club w/mashed potatoes shepherd's pie Little Caesar's crazy bread!! Texas de Brazil the little cheese puff bread rolls that they bring to the table Mon Sep 17 15:17:19 -0700 2007 61675 81820 starbucksbrew 2 2951066 When Fine made the post way back in 2002, there was no "Chains" board on Chowhound, so I think this topic was on the General board back then. Mon Sep 17 21:29:58 -0700 2007 2949941 10705 deibu 1 2953465 Wow. I started this thread back when I used my actual name. I'm surprised to see so many replies! Here are some additions for me: Panera - Fuji apple salad Sweet Tomatoes - LOVE their fruit bran muffins; I also recently fell in love with their Greek week offerings (Greek focaccia, couscous, lemon chicken soup) PF Chang's - They took away my beloved Singapore Street Dumplings, but their Buddha's Feast and Spicy Orange Chicken are still yummers. CPK - Mango Tandoori Chicken Pizza. Really good! BJ's Pizzeria - Their pizza is quite good. Gordon Biersch - Ahi tuna app. Abroad: Mr. Donut (Asia)- Their original donut covered in brown sugar is ridiculously melt in your mouth good, even when cold. TGI Friday's - For some reason they're only good in Asia. The husband swears by their Taiwan locations. I found their fajitas at their Tokyo Ginza location to be really good. Tue Sep 18 14:40:28 -0700 2007 61675 10992 katya 1 3023244 At California Pizza Kitchen yesterday, I had their new Roasted Vegetable Salad. I have to say, it was pretty darn tasty! The romaine lettuce was cold and crisp, the dressing was perfect (dijon vinaigrette) and the roasted veggies were still warm with a nice charred flavor - it had fresh diced avocado which I loved, but I would have really loved some CHEESE! When do I NOT want cheese? Wed Oct 10 16:50:45 -0700 2007 61675 104631 wino22 2 3554612 You see... that is why I ordered that exact same salad once... I tend to only order salads when i want something healthy (Always dressing on the side) and when they go ahead and sprinkle cheese on it anyways... I feel like I might as well have ordered the burger... :P --Dommy! Wed Apr 02 15:16:52 -0700 2008 3023244 10659 Dommy 1 3034187 I moved to the Dallas area from El Paso two years ago, only to find that there is a huge variance in chain restaruants and fast food places from area to area. My two year quest for a decent chili relleno has been a string of disappointments. Sometimes the grass is greener on the other side, but when you get there, it's just green paint. MC DONALD'S: For hamburgers, my very favorite is the cheapie little hamburger that usually lives in the Kid's Meals at McDonald's. You cant get those fine diced onions in any other hamburger in the world, and they make my day! Used to love their fish sandwiches, but had one last week for the first time in ages, and the fish was about a quarter the size it used to be and the tarter sauce had too much mayonnaise and ran down my wrist. blech! And there is a McDonald's in my local WalMart that has really good cheese broccolli soup! PIZZAZ HUT: My favorite pizza for years was Pizza Hut's deep dish pizza. But in this area, they recently changed their dough recipe, and now it's as inviting as a deep dish pizza before it's baked! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Looking for a new pizza place. SOUTHERN MAID DONUTS: Their yeast donut holes are the best! I just can't understand why the donuts don't taste as good though. Again, a regional difference: In El Paso, they have croissanwiches to die for! HUGE! Here they're half size and half flavor. TACO CABANA; Texas chain, but not usually a massacre. "Usually" being the key word. Most places they have fantastic tortilla soup, with the crunchy crisp tortilla strips to soak in the broth. I've had it once here. It was served with FLOUR TORTILLAS! I don't think so....! They also had fantastic chile rellenos in El Paso, not on the menu in Dallas. WENDY'S: For a "holier than thou" lunch, their 99¢ baked potato split and topped with their 99¢ cup of chili makes a good lunch. And I like their junior burger better than the kind that come on the gummy kaiser rolls, but you have to order them special and ask them not to mash the meat patty while they're cooking it. Who needs a beef jerky burger! BOSTON MARKET: Pretty darn good chicken pot pies! Better than KFC, and that's going some. THE GOD, I WISH I COULD REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE PLACE DRIVE-THROUGH: Was out with a friend a month or so ago and pulled into some fast food place for burgers. On a whim, we both ordered their cheesecake. It was to die for...!!! Absolutely the best I've had in *any* restaurant! And now I can't remember where it was for the life of me, and neither does she.... I think it's called "subliminal dieting." <sigh> Fortunately, taste and smell are our most accurate memories. God, that's good cheesecake. Sun Oct 14 18:01:00 -0700 2007 61675 112096 Caroline1 2 3078516 "You cant get those fine diced onions in any other hamburger in the world, and they make my day!" They're nothing but dried minced onions that have been rehydrated in big metal pans for 2 hours. I sometimes make them up when I'm cooking homemade "sliders" - they stick to the burgers better. Mon Oct 29 19:41:11 -0700 2007 3034187 91302 podunkboy 1 3078297 White Castle: By far, my favorite chain. I love those little burgers! Taco Bell: Used to really like Meximelts when I was a little kid. My tastes have changed, but still like them. Taco John's: Potato oles aren't half-bad. Perkin's: This isn't a bad restaurant. I'd prefer a family-owned joint, but still, not too bad food-wise overall. Red Lobster: Their pasta dishes are pretty good. I like that cajun chicken one. The only full-service chain resto I have lots of experience with. Starbucks: I love the Frappuccinos. Also the new pretzels they have with the jalapeño / cheese filling. Yummm.... Mon Oct 29 18:11:57 -0700 2007 61675 105609 tvdxer 1 3078439 I've read most of this long thread, and I'm still at a loss to figure why any Chowhound would willingly go in a Chain. Yes, I know it's the Chains board - which raises its own little set of questions - but in everything I've read here, I have seen not a single item which I could ever actually crave or enjoy. Early in the thread, someone talked about growing up in northern New Jersey where there was "nothing but chains" - absolute nonsense! I also grew up in northern NJ, and there was great Chow all over the place - terrific diners, wonderful ethnic stuff, great red-sauce Italian-American - no good reason to ever darken the door of a chain. Yes, when desperate, I've done it, and I've hated it. I don't know, but to me chains are the ultimate anti-Chow. Mon Oct 29 19:07:25 -0700 2007 61675 12205 sophie fox 2 3078511 For the same reason that some people crave Pringles potato chips instead of artisnal kettle-fried potato chips -- we all have different tastes. Some people gotta have junk sometimes. It doesn't mean we don't appreciate good Chow, but sometimes you got to feed the junk food beast. I quit posting over in the Beer section because the snobs over there kept telling people what beer they should like and insulting people who don't agree with their subjective tastes. Eventually opinion becomes criticism and then people no longer feel comfortable posting their likes and dislikes. Mon Oct 29 19:38:53 -0700 2007 3078439 91302 podunkboy 3 3078564 Amen, Podunkboy. On that note, here are some of the embarrassing chain cravings that have been known to keep me up at night: Taco Bell: cheesy gordita crunch Red Lobster: shrimp scampi (*swimming* in butter!) White Castle: cheeseburgers and jalapeno cheeseburgers Arby's: giant roast beef with swiss (there's nothing "roast beef" or "swiss" about it, really...) Pizza Hut: deep dish pizza Wendy's: Big Bacon Classic Perkin's: Granny's Country Omelette (with pancakes), and the Country Club Melt (with extra thousand island to dip the fries in!) Old Spaghetti Factory: 50/50 with Mizithra Cheese and Meat Sauce Noodles & Co: Wisconsin Mac' and Cheese (with broccoli) Quizno's: Italian sub Oh dear. Mon Oct 29 20:05:28 -0700 2007 3078511 73398 SungSook 4 3078686 Glad this topic was revived. We have monthly lunch meetings at work with restaurant selection rotated thru 8 people, 6 of whom will only choose chain restaurants, so now I can check here for something to order. Favorite chain food: Carvel - soft serve chocolate, sugar cone, chocolate sprinkles Corner Bakery - ham on pretzel bread, but they recently changed it to a Bavarian Mon Oct 29 21:04:51 -0700 2007 3078564 113293 hobbes404 5 3078697 I'll add Chili's Chicken Fried Steak to the list. Mon Oct 29 21:08:39 -0700 2007 3078686 76968 steakrules85 4 3102984 Oh my! I had forgotten the country club melt from my college small town days- so good- a guilty craving for sure! And not to be a negative nancy- again- but a friend of mine works at a testing lab and has tested Arby's, Tostino's frozen pizza, and Taco Bell meat lately. Let's just say that you don't want to eat Arby's or Tostino's becasue of diseases and outbreaks and Taco Bell beef becasue it is somewhere around F grade. I did love my Taco Bell stuffed beef burritto before I learned this but now if I go I put chicken on everything instead- It has go to be better, right? :) Wed Nov 07 08:14:02 -0800 2007 3078564 72839 natalie.warner 5 3404560 OhNO! bad news Natalie. I eat Totinos pepperoni pizza sometimes (but not often because of the gazillion calories!) and I like the Taco Bell beef stuff (again not often bc calories) although I always get severe indigestion afterwards (hmmm). LOL! Dang it! Sat Feb 16 13:27:49 -0800 2008 3102984 163673 texsara 3 3092149 I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't like. I simply don't get it. Perhaps it's about how each of us defines "Chow" and that's fine, too. Still, to say "sometimes you got to feed the junk food beast" - I'll buy "you want to feed the junk food beast" - but you "have to"? It's a choice, isn't it? I guess that I'm also curious - is it really a craving? or is it settling for what's available at the moment? If preferring food made by human beings according to their own understanding of decent food to mass-produced food-like substances is being a snob, I suppose that I'm a snob. Bourdain has properly noted that around the world there's an abundance of good food, fast, vs American-style fast food made for the convenience and profit of the purveyor. We could have good food fast, and do in sme places, if we demanded it. I just think that's preferable. Just my opinion. Sat Nov 03 12:46:54 -0700 2007 3078511 12205 sophie fox 4 3101682 "chow·hound· (′hnd′) noun Slang - a person who eats large quantities of food or is fond of eating; glutton or gourmand". (Only dictionary I had access to is online...) At least according to this, gluttony or gourmandy is covered. Some of us probably walk the thin line between both of them. I read a blog entry linked up top in the Grinder about a young lady and her husband who dined at El Bulli. Some would say it's the best restaurant on the planet. Ultimately, she disagreed because some of what she was served didn't taste good, which is her main criteria for judging a restaurant. That being said, her description of the dozens of items served would seem to define "gluttony" to me, especially eating every bite of items that didn't even taste good. So, to my way of thinking, if I like the taste of something, it shouldn't matter if it's served on a china platter with a 14K gold spoon, or handed out a window in a paper bag. I'm not even saying that a paper-wrapped burger is better or even comparable, but I'm not apologizing for my individual tastes or desires, and neither would most of the people posting in this topic. And yes, in most cases it's a craving, not convenience. I've driven past well-respected and acceptable food options for some greasy onion rings or an overstuffed burrito. And other times I put on nice clothes and play nice and eat food with funny foreign names. It's all chow. Tue Nov 06 17:11:45 -0800 2007 3092149 91302 podunkboy 3 3094617 I'm so with you, PoDunk,...sometimes I like a good Miller Lite and, if I'm feelin' classy, I'll drink it in a frosty mug...but otherwise it's outta the bottle for me. I don't love chains but I don't feel like I will burn in the fiery pits of hell if I step foot in one, either. Sun Nov 04 16:37:24 -0800 2007 3078511 75006 amy_rc 1 3080053 I think being a Chowhound is being able to appreciate good food ANYWHERE, from a greasy spoon that turns out outstanding pancakes to a lunch cart that makes amazing kabobs to a little Indian lunch counter where you're the only Anglophone in the place to a three-star white tablecloth place in Napa to, yes, a national chain restaurant. The key is to let down your guard and get over your prejudices. So, without shame or false modesty, I cop to a fondness for the following chain things: Kung Pao anything at P.F. Chang's Cheesy Gordita Crunch from Taco Bell Blue cheese chopped salad at Outback Steakhouse Baked potato soup at Houlihan's Barbeque chicken salad from California Pizza Kitchen Gingerbread loaf from Starbucks Cheddar garlic biscuits from Red Lobster The thing at Coldstone Creamery with the coffee ice cream, Heath Bar, roasted almonds and caramel The Awesome PBJ sundae from Friendly's Mai Tais from Chart House restaurants Tue Oct 30 11:11:32 -0700 2007 61675 27604 Miss Clare 2 3503297 If Anthony Bourdain can admit to In-N-Out Burgers as his guilty pleasure, and Gordon Ramsey admits to eating McDonalds and Burger King, then I doubt us each having a few guilty pleasures of our own means our palates are permanently ruined. Tue Mar 18 04:54:13 -0700 2008 3080053 165021 Firegoat 1 3080505 Not to derail the discussion, can anyone please tell me the attraction to "sliders", especially White Castle's? I've never had one (although I've seen them occasionally in the grocery store freezer) and I'm wondering what about them incites such passion. Tue Oct 30 12:59:58 -0700 2007 61675 99521 KenWritez 2 3080555 I am not a 'big' as in large burger fan. Too much meat, too much greasyness, too much stuff. But sliders are perfect little replicas of the big burger - a little bit of condiment, a little bit of bread, a little bit of good meat. Just a couple of perfect bites. And none of the sick too-full feeling after eating a couple. Tue Oct 30 13:13:41 -0700 2007 3080505 124908 jeanmarieok 2 3089410 Try a cheeseburger there (if you like cheese). Then report back. To me, they taste like little meatloaves! :) Fri Nov 02 10:54:17 -0700 2007 3080505 73398 SungSook 2 5092424 Kind of hard to explain, but there's just something tasty about them- and the texture that makes the little bun all fluffy when microwaved. Just be sure they're hot all the way through- having the center cold is a buzzkill. Fri Oct 09 17:48:19 -0700 2009 3080505 105625 EWSflash 1 3080582 Applebees - Riblets. KFC - I just love their fried chicken peroid. (Yes, I've had good real fried chicken.) Boston Market - Chicken, creamed spinach Starbucks - Iced mochaccinos or Tazo tea lemonades on a hot day Outback Steakhouse - Kookabura Wings, Bloomin' Onions Tue Oct 30 13:20:14 -0700 2007 61675 116495 Avalondaughter 2 3102970 Just an FYI- I have not been able to stomach eating at KFC- not that I did it often- since I learned that their "chicken" is actually something called "animal number 13". I had a student find it on an ingredients list and find pictures of it off the internet- really gross defofmities that I will not go ito detail about. Sad! I did like their random little snackers though. Wed Nov 07 08:08:15 -0800 2007 3080582 72839 natalie.warner 3 3110251 Urban myth. Fri Nov 09 09:01:09 -0800 2007 3102970 135619 Its Still Mooing 4 3110297 One thing that isn't an urban myth- KFC chicken has three breasts! That is why there are always unidentifiable pieces in the 3-piece snack pack... If you ever want to get some white meat at KFC, ask for the keel breast... Fri Nov 09 09:14:49 -0800 2007 3110251 96658 Clarkafella 1 3090557 Love the Spinach Artichoke Egg Souffles from Panera Bread. Love the sweet corn garnish at El Torito. I always ask for extra corn garnish! =P Fri Nov 02 16:05:45 -0700 2007 61675 122137 avena 1 3093008 Beef Ribs, Factory Burrito Grande, and Spicy Crispy Chicken Sandwich added to the Cheesecake Factory list. Sat Nov 03 20:10:09 -0700 2007 61675 76968 steakrules85 2 3096524 Chik-fil-a: nuggets w/ barbeque sauce and fries with mayo & ketchup Chili's: Chicken crispers Roly Poly: Peachtree melt McD's: McRib! & chzburgers with sweet&sour sauce Checker's: Everything on the menu Mon Nov 05 10:16:02 -0800 2007 3093008 135619 Its Still Mooing 1 3096601 My spouse and I ate at P.F. Chang's last night for the second time last night- I wish I could say that it was awful, but it really was pretty good. We had a shrimp dish that also contained melon balls, and I really liked it! But while the dish was really good, there is just something not right about going to a chain Chinese place- practically every town in the country has a Chinese place that might not be great, but at least is passable. You can usually get out with only spending $20-25.00 for two people, and have plenty of leftover food to eat the next day. At P.F. Chang's, our bill was $80 including tip, with no leftovers! It was good enough that I will go back, but it still just makes me angry a little... Mon Nov 05 10:31:02 -0800 2007 61675 96658 Clarkafella 1 3101783 P.F. Chang's Chicken Lettuce Wraps Tue Nov 06 17:48:40 -0800 2007 61675 124137 JayVaBeach 2 3104713 houston's- ribs and fries spinach cheese dip seared tuna salad PF changs- honey shrimp corner bakery- oatmeal cookies maggiano's- mussels Wed Nov 07 15:13:16 -0800 2007 3101783 17438 trolley 1 3110420 I can't tell you how many times I've been out to a great meal at a fine restaurant, one that is well respected with an undisputably terrific chef, and still went threw the drive through on the way home for a couple Krystal burgers. Drives my wife and friends crazy. Krystal burgers are nasty, I know, but still there is something about them that sometimes satisfies in an odd way. I don't think this craving, or those that others have for chain food, necessarily needs to call into question the good taste of those who have posted on this subject. Oh yeah, and Bubble Gum ice cream at Baskin Robbins rocks too. Makes me feel like I'm eight years old again. Fri Nov 09 09:47:25 -0800 2007 61675 81261 bananna slug 2 3110516 Thanks for the taste memory! I often ordered bubble gum BR ice cream as a child. It was like a 2fer... ice cream! gum! I'd try to eat around the gum and save it in my cheek pocket until the ice cream was gone, giving it a chance to warm up a bit and easier to chew. Fri Nov 09 10:13:30 -0800 2007 3110420 76833 dishchrista 3 3110799 Totally with you on that. Sometimes I even had root beer floats with Bubble Gum ice cream instead of vanilla. I told that to my kids awhile back and even they thought that was weird. Fri Nov 09 11:32:18 -0800 2007 3110516 81261 bananna slug 2 3110540 It has been my experience that when someone who lives in an area with Krystals, and they move to an area that doesn't have Krystals, the first place they want to go when they return for a visit is Krystal! Fri Nov 09 10:19:41 -0800 2007 3110420 96658 Clarkafella 1 3240860 Wow - old thread but I had to add mine - Claim Jumper - Southwestern Egg Rolls and Cobb Salad sandwich Yum Thu Dec 27 14:44:23 -0800 2007 61675 17540 RoxyGrl 2 3271883 Speaking of CJ's southwest egg rolls, this reminded me of one of my favorite foods from a chain resto: Tex Mex egg rolls at The Cheesecake Factory. Claim Jumper's are an extremely weak copy of The Cheesecake Factory's version (IMHO of course!) Mon Jan 07 18:57:00 -0800 2008 3240860 111530 gordeaux 3 3274822 I like the Chili's version. Tue Jan 08 13:57:40 -0800 2008 3271883 11719 jes 1 3346036 McDonalds - Hash browns, Biscuit with Egg & Cheese, Filet-O-Fish Carl's, Jr. - Western Bacon Cheeseburger (though I haven't had one in over 15 years I still crave it sometimes...) Red Lobster - Cheese Biscuits Koo Koo Roo - Macaroni & Cheese Rubios - Shrimp burrito However, I've never found anything even remotely edible at Chili's... Tue Jan 29 15:50:52 -0800 2008 61675 15098 chuckles 1 3404512 I love the Baja beef chalupa at Taco Bell. The fish fillet sandwich (tastes great and soft buns) and chicken nuggets at McDonalds. Burger King has a great spicy chicken sandwich...simple but delicious and if I take it home I add a big piece of fresh lettuce on it. I like Wendy's BLT salad with low fat ranch dressing and the value menu bacon/cheeseburger. And I know Jack-in-the-box gets no love but I have to indulge once in a while in their fried tacos (ask for extra lettuce). Those are my fast-food drive-through weaknesses. I love Red Lobster..Tilapia fish in a bag! I have never went to Chiles but I am trying it this weekend. Good tips here on what to order! THX! Sat Feb 16 13:06:57 -0800 2008 61675 163673 texsara 1 3404587 Outback Steakhouse, that Blooming Onion appetizer thingie, dam the calories and trans fat, I freakin love that weird lookin thingie. :) oh, and anything that has the word TACO in it.:) Sat Feb 16 13:38:22 -0800 2008 61675 156480 someyoungguyy 1 3423261 Right now I live in a country that has ONE Pizza Hut and ONE KFC; that's it. No MickyD's, no BK, no Taco Bell. I've been here since August and I've been to the KFC once; it was just like home, and strangely comforting considering that I've eaten in one maybe twice in my life. I miss fast food, even though it was never more than an occasional thing for me in the States. I would kill for a Starbucks Mocha with Whip, a sack of White Castles, or anything from Taco Bell. Fri Feb 22 04:15:05 -0800 2008 61675 86221 lulubelle 1 3426501 OK. I admit it. I love cheesburgers from most any chain restaurant! -BnF Fri Feb 22 22:35:28 -0800 2008 61675 125375 Big N Fat 1 3427536 Houston's - the meat loaf and the spinach-artichoke dip Chili's - the awesome blossom and the queso dip Outback - bloomin onion, Alice Springs Chicken and that blue cheese chopped salad thing, the brown bread Krystal - cheeseburgers Wendy's - Chicken BLT Salad Burger King - double cheeseburger Olive Garden - the breadsticks before they removed the transfats (they're dull now) Fazoli's - still the breadsticks! Chick Fil-A - waffle fries McDonald's - the fries Checkers - the fries Sonny's - the garlic toast and the cole slaw, good mild sauce too Sat Feb 23 11:49:38 -0800 2008 61675 27357 PDeveaux 2 5024247 Sonny's - mmmmmmmmmmm i crave the sweet bbq sauce, garlic toast,fries and ribs. white trash bbq at its finest!!! Sat Sep 12 07:10:18 -0700 2009 3427536 1106705 joe777cool 1 3467289 I live in New Orleans, so I don't make it to chains too often (except fast food...yum) but when I do, I try to find things to enjoy. McDonalds - chicken nuggets, double cheeseburgers, filet o' fish, hashbrown (which my friends and I call a "grease sponge"...SO GOOD) Taco Bell - Soft tacos supreme Chick Fil A - chicken nuggets Popeyes - Chicken, mashed potatoes, dirty rice Wendy's - burgers & nuggets Houston's - cheeseburger & shoestring fries Bonefish grill - lobster tails Thu Mar 06 14:43:36 -0800 2008 61675 103418 cor 1 3467401 I have to say, I really enjoy the new Big Mouth Bites that Chili's puts out. They are just basic sliders, but they taste really good! Thu Mar 06 15:13:48 -0800 2008 61675 115990 Anita Drink 1 3469570 Applebees - grilled shrimp and spinach salad Fri Mar 07 09:36:15 -0800 2008 61675 167815 punkgirl107 1 3471474 Never really ate in chains before I had kids, now they are our go to places. Red Robin: blue cheese and bacon burgers Olive Garden: deep fried ravioli starter, smoked provolone ravioli entree Chili's: mushroom bacon jack fajitas (it is a salt extravaganza) Burger King: whopper with cheese Red Lobster: coconut shrimp with the silly name, cheese biscuits KFC: coleslaw McDonald's: BLT bagel Fri Mar 07 18:24:50 -0800 2008 61675 169994 pengcast 1 3471493 Boneless Buffalo "wings" at 99 Fri Mar 07 18:32:55 -0800 2008 61675 50082 TonyO 1 3476762 Portabella Mushroom $6 burger at Carl's Jr... get plenty of napkins, it's juicy/ Sun Mar 09 22:17:38 -0700 2008 61675 169832 NVJims 1 3489856 I like Fillet O'Fish, egg n' cheese biscuits (hold the sausage), hash browns, and chocolate milkshakes at McD's, the Big Fish sandwich and onion rings at Burger King, the baked Ziti and pizza from Sbarro, the salmon salad, sourdough bread and bagels at Panera, the Wendy's chocolate Frosty, the grilled fish sandwiches at Houstons (and their glorious key lime pie), the brownies from Corner Bakery and the salads at California Pizza Kitchen (but not the pizza). But I never go out of my way to get any of these things, I just get these dishes in a pinch. Except Panera bagels, which I buy every weekend. Thu Mar 13 13:30:08 -0700 2008 61675 124476 FoodieKat 1 3496893 I loooove the Caramel Apple Empenadas from Taco Bell. And my favorite thing about a "road trip" is the possibility of stopping at an rest area with an Arby's or better yet, a Roy Rogers for a roast beef and cheese with the magical Horsey Sauce. Sounds appetizing right? Sat Mar 15 19:44:39 -0700 2008 61675 149588 colorine 1 3503199 Im from flyover country, Indiana the burbs where the vast vast majority of places to eat are chains. There are some red-sauce Italian places that arent chains and a few Chinese places that arent chains. A handful of Mama's Restaurant generic type nonchain places. Also one or two nonchain Mexican places. For "fastfood" if you want independent you have two choices: pizza or subs. There are a zillion pizza and subs places. And none of them very good either. And you know what? The food aint any better at the independent places for the most part. The Chinese from the chains is consistently better than what you can get from the independents, even though they all source their stuff from more or less the same places. The red-sauce Italian places are fine but nothing special. And you can get better and more consistent tuna melts, burgers, and eggs and bacon at Dennys. At the mom-and-pops around here its a crapshoot food quality wise. Im dead serious when I say PF Changs is almost always better than the independent Chinese you can get in town. Sometimes I think a lot of chowhounders forget that most normal people are not from the Bay Area or NYC or Chicago or California or whathaveyou. Were from Indiana, Nebraska, Arkansas, Michigan, upstate New York, Maine, Idaho, Illinois, Wisconsin, Georgia... a lot of us are from suburbs or are raising kids in exurbs, and if you want to eat only independent when you go out, you have to make a special effort to seek out the few independent places, and then be prepared to resign yourself to only eating mediocre red-sauce Italian or Chinese that hasnt been updated in 20 years. The cold fact is that the chains are the source of culinary innovation in a lot of midsize towns in flyover country. Its not our little mom-and-pops that are serving chipotle mashed sweet potatoes, or california rolls, or korean bbq ribs. These things were new at independents 15 years ago, maybe even 20. They are trickling down to middle America now but they are still exotic. One of my fathers friends dared offer (cooked) california-style sushi rolls as an hors doeuvre at his wedding and 90% of it went untouched. Too strange. The little mom-and-pops are doing the same eggplant parm with red sauce from a can that they were doing 20 years ago. Or the same chow mein and sweet and sour pork. They put out soft white bread at the table. Their concession to modernity is offering balsamic vinaigrette as a salad dressing instead of French or Ranch, or using mozzarella that they have to slice off a ball they bought from the restaurant supple chain instead of the preshredded stuff in plastic bags. Im not pretending that chain food smacks it out of the ballpark. It is what it is: predictable, consistent, not fantastic but not terrible. People like predictability. They like knowing that once every two weeks when they drive the 15 miles to the nicer side of the county where all the chains are, they can get their same chicken chipotle quesadilla and molten chocolate cake from RubyMaxTGIF. It tastes pretty good, depending on what you get, and the restaurant has something that everyone in the group will eat. Nonthreatening. FWIW I like Boston Market and I like CPK and Steak n Shake.Also Popeyes. Tue Mar 18 01:37:27 -0700 2008 61675 171989 delicion 2 3543018 Well said!!! Sun Mar 30 10:57:27 -0700 2008 3503199 158403 jcattles 2 4110489 Interesting take, but not true for everyone who may live a distance away from a food mecca. It just takes some extra effort, and the desire not to settle. We live 70 miles sw of Chicago, and we could settle for chain options but I refuse to. I pack up our 2 year old daughter, and my wife, and we make almost weekly trips into Chicago to avoid chains & eat Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, bbq, middle eastern, greek, etc from non chain establishments. I owe it to my daughter, my wife and myself to put in the extra effort to expose ourselves to better food options. We also go out to local supper clubs that are nothing like the places you painted most mom & pop places to be. Excellent food, & excellent service from folks who appreciate you coming in, vs. the surly teens, and "managers" chains employ. Liking places because they are "predictable" "safe, and nonthreatening" isnt what being a food lover is about. I would rather starve than live in a rut like that. With the above said the only use I have for chains is for roadtrips, to be able to grab a quick bite on a interstate exit. I somehow am able to force down some Taco Bell, and Waffle House under that circumstance. Fri Oct 17 07:00:21 -0700 2008 3503199 26725 swsidejim 1 3503277 Pizza Hut: Thin crust barbecue pizza. (i think its a regional thing, some places carry it, some don't.) Arby's: French Dip sub Quizno's: Black angus sub McDonald's: Sausage McMuffin with no egg, and if you can get the french fries when they are fresh, hot and perfectly salted they are truly a good thing. Panera: Cinnamon Crunch bagels Sonic: Cherry limeade slush (or most any of their slushies. And now slushes are available at breakfast........ Tue Mar 18 04:38:28 -0700 2008 61675 165021 Firegoat 1 3539009 I have friends that are totally pretentious about food, and I don't understand it, it seems that they are more concerned about how people perceive their culinary tastes than the actual food that they are eating. I love food from all sources, but if your area has an ethnic cuisine well represented I don't see the appeal of a chain, where I live it is Mexican food, wayyyy better than any chain, but in this area chains do better Itailan for the most part. I love Panera-bacon turkey bravo, cinnamon crunch bagels Olive garden Zuppa Tuscana Bojangles chicken supremes, biscuits and sweet tea Cheesecake factory- thai lettuce wraps, and avacado egg rolls Fri Mar 28 17:58:37 -0700 2008 61675 159741 bakeman 1 3543041 Mongolian Beef- P F Changs Roast beef w/ Arby's Sauce-Arbys Blackened Chicken Alfredo- Wingers Cherry Limeade-Sonic Potato Oles w/ cheese sauce and sour cream- Taco Johns Mushroom Ravioli, Rigatoni D, Mozzerella Marinara, Spumoni- Maggianos Philly Cheesteak w/ mushrooms and onions- Pats (not the one in Philly-small chain in Denver) Fresh hot fries w/ sweet and sour sauce-McD's Gyros-from the place in the mall Runza (krautburger)-Runzas Beef Enchirito-Taco Bell Sun Mar 30 11:05:45 -0700 2008 61675 158403 jcattles 1 3553814 Applebees: Fiesta Lime chicken, chicken tenders Chilis: Southwest egg rolls, the triple play combo platter PF Changs: pork fried rice Popeye's: 2 piece combo with fries I don't eat out at these places too much, but sometimes I get hit with a craving and I'm there everyday for a week!!!! Wed Apr 02 12:27:00 -0700 2008 61675 165966 deborah24 1 3554825 I LOVE the honey-seared shrimp with brown rice from pei wei (usually end up getting the kid's version since it's more than enough and only costs like $3), and for some reason I can't get enough of Whataburger's potato, egg, and cheese breakfast taquitos. Wed Apr 02 16:12:50 -0700 2008 61675 179924 Al_Pal 1 3597042 Baja Chicken Chalupas from Taco Bell, the rolls from Bertucci's and the blue cheese chopped salad from Outback. Tue Apr 15 13:10:09 -0700 2008 61675 44439 abs294 1 4107860 Pumpkin taquitos at Taco Time Double Whopper with cheese (guess where?) Wendy's chili Anybody's CRINKLE CUT FRIES - if I wanted "homemade" style fries I'd stay home. A&Ws cheese curds Jack in the Box ultimate cheeseburger Carl's Jr breakfast burger (a burger with a fried egg, yay!) McDonald's steak, egg, and cheese bagel KFC extra crispy (I've got a hollow leg, but I can only eat 2 pieces of that) All of the above taste good (argue if you want) and none have given me the screaming, uh, dysentery. More than I can say about 2 of the high-end places I ate at recently. Yep, given my druthers I'd eat fresh food, freshly cooked, not a pre-portioned frozen nugget. But then I've worked as a line cook at a couple of fancy restaurants - neither impressed me with their hygienic conditions. Thu Oct 16 04:39:31 -0700 2008 61675 227202 vtnewbie 2 4109700 Have to agree the chopped salad at Outback is wonderful. Carrabba's has several of our favorites, including the mussel appetizer, the Caesar salad (undoubtedly from a bag) and the scallop and shrimp spiedini. Thu Oct 16 17:28:22 -0700 2008 4107860 207176 grantham 1 4673248 I like Big Mac and fries at Mcd's, the maple scones at Starbucks, all the cookies at Panera Bread, stuffed spinach and garlic pizza at Giordano's, the thin crust Lou at Malnati's, the beef ribs at Texas de Brazil, the flour tortillas at Taco Cabana, the calamari and rigatoni D at Maggiano's, the Bang Bang Chicken at Cheesecake Factory...I am sure there's more. Mon May 11 09:21:48 -0700 2009 61675 132739 lilmomma 1 4673975 Adding to my expanding list.... Red Robin- Fish and Chips, Blueberry Vanilla Shake, Oreo Shake, Strawberry Shake, Peach Shake, Raspberry Shake, Royal Red Robin Burger, Fries, Onion Rings Cheesecake Factory- Monte Cristo, Frozen Iced Mango, I pretty much love everything there. Bonefish Grill- Lobster Tails, Chilean Sea Bass, Potatoes au gratin, Brownie dessert Grand Lux Cafe- Strawberry Shortcake, Candy Bar Pie, Beignets Cheeseburger in Paradise- Root Beer Float, Swiss Mushroom Burger with Bacon Mon May 11 12:41:45 -0700 2009 61675 76968 steakrules85 1 4709096 Arbys- original roast beef (the bigger the better) with a little each of the arby sauce and Horsey sauce and othing else besides salt and pepper. La Salsa- baja fish tacos. Actually, everything they make is really awesome for a chain. McD's sausage egg mcmuffin, and that's all BK's Whopper, and their cheeseburgers Chuy's- their cabbage salad Sat May 23 11:08:43 -0700 2009 61675 105625 EWSflash 1 4709609 I actually really like A&W's chicken burgers! And their onion rings. NYFries (which ironically, I think is a Canadian company) has one of the best tasting poutines I've eaten. McDonad's fries and apple pie >.> And the mash potato at Popeye's, and their biscuits! Sat May 23 16:27:06 -0700 2009 61675 212885 AngelSanctuary 1 4710109 You know, out of desperation I ate at Taco Bell the other day. Had a "double-meat-cheesy burrito" or something similar to that name- it was great! Lot's of meat, rice, that nasty nacho cheese sauce, all wrapped up in a flour tortilla. I know it sounds horrible, but it was really good- or else I was just really hungry... Sat May 23 22:17:28 -0700 2009 61675 96658 Clarkafella 2 4710129 Studies have shown there's actually a human genome that predisposes certain people to enjoy Taco Bell food products. Now, the gene won't be activated unless the carrier is exposed to Taco Bell food, thus all the people in Iands without Taco Bell are doomed to spend their lives struggling under a vague sense of disappointment and deprivation. This sense of loss often manifests itself in politics, thus those unfortunates without the Taco Bell gene are prone to foment civil war, or maintain oppressive governments, or work for the fashion or modern music recording industries.. Thus, the best way to bring about world peace is to build as many Taco Bell stores as possible across the globe. Can you imagine? Peace in Afghanistan, truce in Iraq, laying down of arms in Darfur, brotherhood among Jews and Arabs in the Middle East! Eating a Crunchwrap Supreme leaves no emotional or intellectual resources for hostility, mistrust or negative emotions as the diner is transported into realms sublime! Mahatma Ghandi said it best: "Screw the brown rice! Let's go out for tacos!" Sat May 23 22:40:14 -0700 2009 4710109 99521 KenWritez 3 4949172 This is true. I saw a documentary on it on the Learning Channel. Sat Aug 15 13:32:49 -0700 2009 4710129 66543 BeenThereAteThat 3 4950804 That's not true, Ken, your studies are flawed. The Taco Bell gene is a sex-linked recessive trait. Males that do not carry this gene are perfectly normal. It's the recessive carriers that don't display the actual trait that are fomenting civil war and oppressing their constituents. Eating a crunchwrap supreme makes you mellow because an enormous gutbomb has just gone off in your stomach, leaving no resources for energetic pursuits. Sun Aug 16 11:46:53 -0700 2009 4710129 105625 EWSflash 4 4950861 I fear your conclusions are flawed, EWSF. No doubt you've been misinformed. The Taco Bell gene has been found in X chromosomes (Limeswiller and Rhoadkyll, 2006) so it can hardly be sex-linked. Relaxing after eating a Crucnhwrap Supreme cannot be genetically-based behavior. Otherwise, people who appreciate waterfalls would have to have a special gene for that. Lack of a normal gene doesn't confer normalcy on any organism. Given that the Taco Bell gene has been linked to the genes for trombone-playing, piloting aircraft and developing anti-cancer drugs (Pushme, Pullyou 1997) and those genetic sports that lack this gene develop into tabloid reporters, tv psychics and members of Congress, the evidence speaks for itself. Sun Aug 16 12:16:41 -0700 2009 4950804 99521 KenWritez 5 5092415 Ah, my dear Ken- surely you're aware that Pushme & Pullyou are now a hissing and a byword in the research community, having been caught red-handed (so to speak) altering Taco Bell research results while devouring food from Taco Bell after smoking large amounts of marijuana. The original results of that study, you see, had shown that the Taco Bell gene predisposed its male carriers to farting like trombones, to the extent that they often actually took off into the air, hence the piloting embellishment. They added the development of anticancer drugs in a moment of stoner mirth. I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you all this, but I wouldn't have you be made fun of behind your back, not knowing the truth of it. Fri Oct 09 17:43:28 -0700 2009 4950861 105625 EWSflash 5 5092447 Oh- you were right, though, I was wrong. The gene is a sex-linked recessive trait, much like the gene for hemophilia. a female has to have a mum who is a carrier and a father who's a full-fledged TacoBelliac. Dealt a real genetic short straw, you might say. Fri Oct 09 17:55:26 -0700 2009 4950861 105625 EWSflash 6 5093039 There is exciting news on this front: New developments in gene therapy suggest cellular DNA transplanted into a woolly llama, which is then exposed to high frequency tacobell-ion impact via being dragged through the Taco Bell drive thru, and then reinserted into the human source host, might be modified in such as way as to activate the Taco Bell gene. This development, if true, is (no other word for it) life-changing! Millions of people, now doomed and living without hope, could embrace the opportunity to revel in Taco Bell as do those fortunate others! BTW: The allegations against Pushme, Pullyou? BBC aired a report proving said allegations were fabricated by disgruntled McDonald's managers and leaked to the press. You are correct on the "genetic short straw." Gene therapy however, is providing hope for these people, as I stated above. Sat Oct 10 06:23:27 -0700 2009 5092447 99521 KenWritez 7 5093112 BBC had originally funded the study, for reasons of their own (trombone-noise-and-flying abilities, perhaps? We may never find out the whole truth) and was subsequently discovered to have fabricated the entire McDonald's angle due to embarrassment over the terrible direction the study ended up taking. I'm sorry you didn't catch the expose' but it was featured in several news magazines internationally. Gene therapy, while promising, is still being refined. In order to view some of the Alien-Resurrection-type genetic mishaps I suggest you take a scroll through peopleofwalmart.com There is still much work to be done. These poor desperate souls jumped the gun in an attempt to be on the leading edge of Taco Bell gene therapy.. Sat Oct 10 07:11:50 -0700 2009 5093039 105625 EWSflash 8 5093409 The evidence below contradicts your claim, thus I suggest in all humility and bon homie your information to be incorrect. A review of your source(s) may be in order. "Weasels in the henhouse means no rubber in the gazpacho," as my grandmother used to say. In 2004 the Beeb were cleared of all indictments by British House of Common Lords and their expose of the McDonalds anti-Taco Bell misprisionments upheld. Unfortunately, the news organs you refer to had already repeated the spurious claims and thus the story gained momentum despite being disproved. McDonals was then rightly accused or being hate speech in and of itself and fined 75p and a piece of cotton string. The Taco Bell gene therapy has exciting ramifictions. Ig gene therapy can provide the blessings of Taco Bell, why not gene therapy for humanely-raised foie gras, chicken-fried steak or Burger King's Whopper Junior with extra grilled onions? Sat Oct 10 09:59:31 -0700 2009 5093112 99521 KenWritez 9 5095267 Well I'm all in favor of humanely-raised foie gras, although I may never try it, Humanely-raised chicken fried steak and Whoppers, now that would be worth shooting for. But I stand my ground on the whole Taco bell thing. Some things should be allowed to go extinct. That's my story and I'm stickin' with it! Sun Oct 11 12:52:56 -0700 2009 5093409 105625 EWSflash 10 5095372 Well, if you washed your hands you woldn't be sticking, now would you? ;)> Great fun jousting with you, E. I feel the need now to re-read some P. G. W. to get back my mojo... ...and go to Taco Bell for some grilled steak tacos. MMMmmmmmMMM! Sun Oct 11 13:50:09 -0700 2009 5095267 99521 KenWritez 11 5095753 Likewise, KenWrites 8^) Okay, I won't eat any Taco Bell so there'll be more for you! Sun Oct 11 16:48:25 -0700 2009 5095372 105625 EWSflash 1 4722820 Bob Evans blueberry cream pancakes are to die for. I only wish I lived closer to one! Thu May 28 13:43:42 -0700 2009 61675 273571 MegDangelo 1 4960611 Let's see there are many.......................... Flo's Filet, medium rare, at Long Horn Jack Daniel's Sampler at TGI Fridays Everything, especially their Fish Tacos, at The Tin Fish Chipotle Chicken Crispers at Chili's Cheese Coneys from Skyline and GoldStar, UDF Chocolate Shake, Cheese Burgers at White Castle........these are special treats when we travel home to Cincinnati. There are also cheese coneys at Skyline in Fort Lauderdale, FL, too! Hawaiin Pizza at Dominoes Burgers at Applebee's. I know Taco Bell has had quite a bit of mention on here and I was.....should I say lived on Taco Bell for a long time.(It was up the street from my condo and came in handy at 2 in the morning after the bar closed) That unfortunately is not the case anymore, our Taco Bells on the Treasure Coast in Florida have all taken a downhill turn in the past few years. Portions are almost non-existent and god forbid you want more than 6 shreds of cheese on anything, they charge you for your first unborn. I really wish they would change for the better but I have basically given up on them. Wed Aug 19 17:01:41 -0700 2009 61675 1100206 azzabar 2 4972679 I never eat at fast food type places but I get this unnatural craving for Panda Express about once a month almost like it is a drug..I know it isn't real Chinese food but I love to get half chow mein/half fried rice and then pick my three entrees...I take it home and eat it all. I know it is full of fat and sodium but then I am happy again for a month....mmmmmm Mon Aug 24 09:42:53 -0700 2009 4960611 228581 playfulotter 3 4972820 Then you do eat fast food! Mon Aug 24 10:20:17 -0700 2009 4972679 18011 Jacey 1 4961093 I can't believe no one said Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sandwich (minus mayo.) That, with a baked potato (instead of fries) topped with Italian salad dressing, and a frosty? Pretty much my idea of the perfect chain meal. I also really like the Olive Garden's salad and breadsticks. Although I need to go to the States to have that, so that's a very rare treat. I wish there was a Wendy's closer... Wed Aug 19 20:17:11 -0700 2009 61675 260842 kdas 1 4996707 I can't really say I like chain restaurants. It's more of a "i'm not disgusted by some of them". There are certain chains I will not step into anymore - Denny's, Applebee's, McDonald's, Burger King(oh the horror the horror), Taco Hell(don't get me started), Crack in the Box, Subway, Quizno's, hell any sandwich place where they don't know the definition of proper hygiene. At least I can give some credit to my local Olive Garden, it's consistently decent and the noise level is acceptable. However when I want to go out, I choose to patronize indies. Tue Sep 01 13:23:56 -0700 2009 61675 1106099 ArrowSmith 1 5011130 I love that this antique blog has been brought back to life (look, it's Frankenblog!) Still, I gotta say to all who are hounding the junk food hounds the same thing we say to my niece who likes to eat absolutely nothing but fruit, broccoli, cold hot dogs and turkey lunchmeat: "don't yuck on my yum." For my own junk food favorite - try the Casa Ole' Pescado Mexicana - oh my goodness the cilantro cream sauce! Well just bring me a bowl of that with a side of tilapia and I can call it dinner. Mon Sep 07 11:02:05 -0700 2009 61675 1092553 aggiecat 2 5011199 now THAT is a lovely saying. May I borrow it? Mon Sep 07 11:40:58 -0700 2009 5011130 165021 Firegoat 3 5013435 I don't know how "lovely" it is but it's certianly expressive and get's through to the 6-10 year old set. :) You are welcome to use and share and enjoy. I think I got it from a Parent's Magazine article so I can't claim it as my own. Tue Sep 08 09:43:01 -0700 2009 5011199 1092553 aggiecat 3 5029057 I agree. "Don't yuck on my yum" is brilliant in its simplicity and clarity. Mon Sep 14 12:01:57 -0700 2009 5011199 66543 BeenThereAteThat 1 5019515 Eating at a chain doesn't mean you'll get fat vs. eating at a non-chain where you'll stay skinny. Non-chains use just as much butter/oil as chains. That's what makes restaurant food so good. they might even get away with using more since they don't have to post their nutritional content. If you want to stay thin, make your food at home. Thu Sep 10 10:26:07 -0700 2009 5013810 18011 Jacey 2 5024039 Try reading Omnivore's Dilemma again. I'd rather know where my food was coming from than look at a mostly meaningless nutritional label. Sat Sep 12 03:44:56 -0700 2009 5019515 24421 Panini Guy 1 5013938 i think i love almost everything i've ever eaten at ARBY's. off the top of my head: - italian sub. this was absolutely sopping wet with italian dressing and all the better for it. i'm talking about the OLD version from over ten years ago that has since been discontinued and replaced with an upscale version. a version that is, unfortunately, not nearly so good. - regular roast beef with arby sauce. classic from my childhood. is it even a close facsimile of a homemade "ROAST BEEF" sandwich? of course not. it's a totally different thing, but with that sweet, peppery arby sauce, it's sublime. - arby melt. my brother and i would get the 5 for $5 deal on arby melts every wednesday after high school and chow down. incredibly decadent, rich, and satisfying. - before mcdonalds transitioned to the whole white meat chicken strips, arby's was already doing a much better job at serving premium chicken tenders. the honey mustard was also a revelation for me at that age. - the market fresh sandwiches, despite being both [a] not from the market, [b] not fresh, and really [c] not that healthy, are really uniformly tasty and reliable. sometimes when i'm traveling and there's almost nothing to choose from, just the thought of that honey nut bread with the pieces of walnuts makes me gravitate toward that big stupid hat. long story short: ARBY's rocks. Tue Sep 08 12:37:50 -0700 2009 61675 184055 beelzebozo 2 5024665 I agree with you on the Arby's items. In fact, I just finished a beef n cheddar. Unfortunately, they put horsey sauce in my bag instead of arby's sauce :((( I did try one of the turkey market fresh sandwiches once and I thought it was good. I did like the bread. Sat Sep 12 10:53:28 -0700 2009 5013938 112034 spellweaver16 3 5029211 why would they put horsey sauce in the bag? that's sacrilege, and completely antithetical to calling it "arby sauce!" Mon Sep 14 12:51:16 -0700 2009 5024665 184055 beelzebozo 1 5024243 Mickey D's fries with S&S sauce & Apple Pies Olive Gardens salad dressing, zuppa toscana, bread sticks with alfredo sauce, chicken scampi, and lemon cake (thats a meal!) BK's italian chicken sandwich, but their fries are HORRIBLE The Cheesecake factory's spicy asian beef, fried mac & cheese On the Borders carne asada flatbread tacos Dominos bbq chicken wings (cooked well done and with extra bbq sauce) KFC's popcorn chicken Chevy's corn stuff and fajitas (sadly they moved out of my area a few years ago) Texas Roadhouse's rolls, filet medallions, texas rice Boston Market's macaroni and cheese & cornbread Applebee's bbq sauce Sat Sep 12 07:08:21 -0700 2009 61675 1106705 joe777cool 1 5029209 - Thai Chicken Pasta at The Cheesecake Factory - Jack Daniels BBQ Bacon Burger at TGI Fridays - Wendy's - Chocolate Frosty and the Baconator Mon Sep 14 12:51:09 -0700 2009 61675 93749 Wes Mantooth 1 5042457 I make a trek to IHOP once a year to order their chicken fried steak with country gravy, 3 eggs, hash browns and sourdough toast. I can eat the entire thing if I try. Sat Sep 19 14:11:17 -0700 2009 61675 1110504 sedimental 1 5042479 My new obsession is the Cheesecake Factory's parmesan-stuffed dates wrapped in bacon. I also love CF's Chinese chicken salad, spinach & artichoke dip, and Chicken madeira. Sat Sep 19 14:26:46 -0700 2009 61675 255446 Gigi007 2 5091987 Chipotle - anything Del Taco - anything with chicken Cinnabon In and out.... Fri Oct 09 14:40:24 -0700 2009 5042479 50181 Tonyettehill 1 5112972 Some of mine Jersey Mike's Subs - Their Original Italian Sometimes called the #13, and their roast beef subs. Outback - The Bloomin Onion, I love they have outbacks at airports now, we'll just stop in for a bloomin onion and a beer while waiting for our flight. Boston Market / KFC - Mac and Cheese Azeteca (small chain) - Queso Dip, Ramos Margaritas B.J.'s Brew Pub - Fish Tacos, Piranaha Pale Ale, Potato skins, and the Pizookie Sonic - those jalopeno tator tot things - totchos? My mom loves them and she introduced me to them. Olive Garden - the portabella mushroom ravioli Millers Ale house (small chain) - Chicken nachos Donatos Pizza - Loaded Edge to Edge Pepperoni Pizza Padrinos - Cuban Sandwich Sun Oct 18 16:30:52 -0700 2009 61675 235812 Sandwich_Sister 2 5113052 The Bloomin Onion got voted worst restaurant dish. I believe it has close to 4,000 calories! Sun Oct 18 17:17:19 -0700 2009 5112972 18011 Jacey 3 5114930 yeah but who eats the whole thing by themselves? We usually have 4 people and we don't even finish it. Mon Oct 19 12:50:48 -0700 2009 5113052 235812 Sandwich_Sister 3 5189132 I read that the Bloomin' Onion is the envy of all restaurant chains as it set the industry standard for having the highest profit margin of any dish on any fast food menu in the country. It's a goldmine for Outback Steakhouse. Tue Nov 17 11:52:03 -0800 2009 5113052 39487 woodleyparkhound 1 5113064 McD's diet coke and fries CKF - Lettuce wraps, fried macaroni BK - Whopper with cheese Baja Fresh - fish taco and their pico di gallo PFChangs - Salmon dish, forget the name, heavenly Sun Oct 18 17:23:51 -0700 2009 61675 15691 mcel215 1 5115151 i enjoy Sonny's bbq they are a chain but i like them nonetheless i also enjoy Chipotle - steak fajita burrito Mcdonalds - big mac and fries and nuggets backyard burgers hmm cant think of what else http://tastychomps.blogspot.com Mon Oct 19 13:53:55 -0700 2009 61675 268326 pdpredtide 1 5189159 I'm so ashamed... but first and foremost, I LOVE the hot cheese biscuits at the Dead Lobster. When I lived near one, I would get the cheapest menu item I could that would allow me to get those biscuits. I also like: McDonalds: Egg McMuffin Cheesecake Factory: plain cheesecake Five Guys: Cheeseburger (loaded) Z-Burger: Cheeseburger and double chocolate shake Tue Nov 17 11:59:08 -0800 2009 61675 39487 woodleyparkhound