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Sep 20, 1999 03:37 PM

Favorite Restaurants

  • b

Sorry if some have posted this before, but I just found
this message board today - it's terrific!

The way I rate goes like this:
Favorites are restaurants that are somewhat expensive
and that I would return to (or have returned to)
despite the high price.

Recommendations are restaurants that I would recommend
to friends to try out, but that I won't return to.
Typically, my feeling is that the food is a bit too
expensive for what the restaurant is serving.

Disappointments usually have the following problems:
not serving great quality food and particularly bad
service. Each of the restaurants in my disappointment
list have a story that accompanies them which would
describe why I would never return there and would try
to avoid having friends go there.

Favorites (in no particular order)
Lespinasse (Christian Delouvrier is incredible)
Daniel (I went before their big changes)
Sparks (my favorite tasting steaks in Manhattan)
Posthouse (my favorite steakhouse in Manhattan - less
pretentious than Sparks)
Restaurant 222 (went there about a year ago with wife
and friends and we thought it was incredible)
Bouley (I went there before it closed and reopened)
Gotham Bar and Grill

Would recommend to friends
Oceana (used to be a favorite but went downhill - now,
it's consistently good, but not great)
Hudson River Club
Union Square Cafe

Disappointments (again in no particular order)
The Palm
Le Bernardin (it's good, but not great. However it
charges as if it were great)
La Grenouille (extremely disappointing)
Cafe Des Artistes
Seryna (sp?)


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  1. b
    Brian Paulsen

    One quick change, put Le Bernardin in the recommend to
    friends category instead of the disappointment

    The restaurants in the "disappoint" category have had
    horrifying service difficulties (which I would be happy
    to elaborate upon) and Le Bernardin, in contrast, had
    wonderful service.


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    1. re: Brian Paulsen

      Why would you differentiate between favorites and
      recommendations. You state your recommendations
      consist of places you've been to but wouldn't return
      to. That's not exactly a great endorsement. Why not
      just turn your friends onto your favorites? Interesting
      that you enjoy the post Gray Kunz Lespinasse so much.
      Are you a Delouvrier fan from Les Celebrities or are
      you a Lespinasse convert?

      1. re: algumby
        Brian Paulsen

        A favorite is one that I would tell a friend to go to
        if he is footing the bill. If someone else is footing
        it, I would add the other restaurants. The only
        difference to me was that the hype on the recommended
        restaurants exceeded what I actually got.

        As far as Lespinasse goes...
        I went there once at the very end of Gray Kunz's run
        there, and I wasn't all that impressed. From my
        reading of the New York Times, it seems that Kunz was
        focussed on other activities at the time. And yes, I'm
        a Delouvrier fan from Les Celebrites, and this is why I
        returned to Lespinasse.


        1. re: Brian Paulsen

          I heard the same about the Kunz reign at Lespinasse. Amazing up until it was close to his departure, then things got a bit shaky. I think he is a fusion master, but this requires much effort and precision to get right. Having a multitude of ingredients can just as easily result in a disaster as it can a masterpiece so I think his mind was occupied with other things near the end and this was reflected in what was coming out of the kitchen. I don't think the persons who were unfortunate enough to have a bad experience during Kunz' last days at Lespinasse have a proper reference point.
          Gray is opening his own place in NYC sometime next year. Once his focus is back, I think it will be a winner. Never sampled Christian Delouvrier's cooking, but will sometime soon. How do you compare Delouvrier's food to that of Daniel Boulud?

    2. "Sorry if some have posted this before, but I just
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