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Andrew Raskin Aug 15, 2001 02:27 PM

I noticed several discussions on the Manhattan board about Italian ices, and since it's too far to travel to the Alpha Dog's Staten Island place (believe me I'm up for it when I go to NY next month), anyone have any recommendations for Italian ices in SF?

I heard it's supposed to break 75 this week, and I just wanna be prepared.

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    Andrew Raskin Aug 16, 2001 02:55 PM

    ...that I have to say "sorbet" in order to get any action on this thread. Is this what I'm dealing with in Northern California?

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      Melanie Wong Aug 16, 2001 03:01 PM

      Or maybe sorbetto or granita rings a bell...

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        Rochelle Aug 21, 2001 05:54 PM

        marcella hazan has two sorbetto recipes in her book "marceella cucina", the titles of both translated to sorbets:granny smith apple with muscat wine and grappa and tangerine. if i'm not mistaken when making granita and sorbets in the home kitchen you use two different techniques and recipes. the sorbet being made sometimes with milk and being frozen in an ice cream maker for smooth texture and the granita being made with simple syrup and frozen in a dish in the freezer which you scrape with a spoon as it freezes to create the tasty shards. i may be wrong, but this is what i know of the two. i would expect that italian ice would be granita rather than sorbet.

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          Caitlin McGrath Aug 21, 2001 07:16 PM

          In my experience, fruit, chocolate, coffe, etc. sorbets and sorbetti have no dairy products (though American restaurateurs of course take their liberties), but otherwise, your description of the diference between how sorbet and granita are made and their different textures is right on. Incidentally, sorbet is easy to make at home without an ice-cream maker: you freeze the puree in a shallow pan as you would for granits, but don't stir it up as it freezes as granita recipes usually direct. When it is frozen, you break it into chunks and repuree in a food processor or blender, producing the proper consistency, then let it freeze to a more solid state in a container.

          Italian ice--the kind that is already prepared and scooped up--generally has a consistency somewhere sorbetto and granita, but is definitely "icier" and less refined in texture than sorbetto. About a dozen years ago, I had a handmade Italian ice from a cart on a Soho streetcorner; the proprieter (in a white undershirt) shaved the ice straight off a huge block on top of his cart and poured flavored syrup over it. Similar I guess to Hawaiian shave ice (or a sno-cone), but made sans machine. It was a memorable moment for a tourist [g].

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        Ruth Lafler Aug 17, 2001 12:50 AM

        Hmmm ... the descriptions of Italian ices I read on the NY board made them sound more slushy than sorbet. I guess I misunderstood. At any rate, you might want to check out this place, which not only makes gelato, but also Italian-style fruit sorbets.

        Tango Gelato, 3540 Fruitvale Ave. (just east of
        Interstate 580), Oakland; (510) 482-2009

        Further description at (scroll down to second item):

        Link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article...

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          Andrew Raskin Aug 17, 2001 03:56 AM

          I guess my point was that I was looking for Italian ice, not sorbet. Maybe there just isn't any around here.

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            rachel hope Aug 20, 2001 08:14 PM

            I too had a craving for an italian ice recently (I am a native of Brooklyn) but was stumped as to where to find one. My hubby tried to approximate one in the blender. twas nice, but not italian ice. Sigh.

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              Ruth Lafler Aug 20, 2001 08:21 PM

              Still having cravings, Rachel (g)?

              Actually, I don't think it ever warmed up to that 75 Andy was worried about, so the point became moot (sure does look wintry out my window now!).

              For us native left coasters, just what is an "Italian ice"?

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