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Growing Up In D.C./Balt: Who Else Remembers....

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I graduated from Montgomery Blair High School in '64 with Connie Chung and Goldie Hawn the year before.
(Belatedly, thank you Connie for not covering your paper in plane geometry. Where it not for you I wouldn't have graduated.) Ben Stein preceded me by two years. Blair then had 2,700 students in three grades with most of us having an incredible pride in the school and the city that we grew up in, Silver Spring, which was promoted as Maryland's second largest.
In a post below Trix asked me about rum buns and half smokes which were both native to D. C. in the '50's and 60's and before. I'm just wondering how many other people on this board remember:

The Varsity on 40 west
Queenstown Mo
Reindeer Frozen Custard in Silver Spring
Teen club
Martin's Dairy on Georgia Avenue
Weile's Ice Cream in Langley Park (Washington Monument)
Harold's Fat Boy
Beltsville Drive In/Elkridge Drive In
Phillip's Crab House in Ocean City when there was only one location and it was really a crab house!
75/80 Dragaway
Fouad Ramses ("Blood Feast")
Two O'Clock Club
Peter Pan Inn
McDonald's original fries
Hofberg's on Eastern Avenue
Ameche's Powerhouse (fast food restaurant)(Anyone??)
Maria's 300 in Little Italy
Harv Moore on PGC
The Old Stein
The Golden Point
Benny's Seafood at Maine Avenue
Stephenson's Bakery in Anacostia ("checkerboard box")
Original Jerry's Sub Shop on Kennedy St. N. W. (NOT
Wheaton which it moved to.)
Top's Drive In
A swiss sundae at Gifford's
Johnny Dark on CAO (not WEAM)
Barry Richards (Geater with the heater, boss with the
hot sauce on WDON, WUST, WHFC, etc.)
Hound Dog
YWCA chocolate chip cookies
Capitol Theatre
Milt Grant
Bowling For Dollars
Gwynn Oak Amusement Park
DeMatha beating Power Memorial and Lew Alcindor.
Wilson Line & Marshall Hall
The Gayety
North Beach
Suburban Trust Company
Charles County slots & Waldorf
Buddy Deane
Roy Buchanan/Jimmy Dean at the Crossroads
Jimi Hendrix at the Ambassador Theatre
Uline Arena
Submarine races at Haines Point/Friendship Airport
A cheerleader from Kenwood HS whose arm was in a cast and I sat next to in '64 when Blair played them. Did you ever marry the captain of your football team?

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  1. Wow. I graduated from Montgomery Blair in 1992 and don't have nearly so many memories. The only famous people -- well, so far that is -- that attended were Steve Francis (he was a frosh my senior year) and Dominique Dawes (she was a frosh when I was a junior), both of whom were only there for one year.

    Anyway, there are only three memorable food places for me:
    - Italia
    - Negril
    - York Castle Ice Cream

    Sadly, I was not a chowhound yet during high school but merely content to have Jerry's and McDonald's (the ones at Four Corners) instead.

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    1. re: Silent Bob

      York Castle IS the original Gifford's. It's owner made the ice cream for Gifford's in their Silver Spring plant and when Gifford's closed two or three months later he opened York Castle using exactly the same base. The Gifford's in Bethesda is from a company that bought the name and not the base. Try York Castle's Swiss sundae and see if it doesn't bring back a memory-for those who remember Gifford's Swiss sundae.

      1. re: Joe H.

        The Gifford's we went to was on Lee Hwy. in Arlington. They also had one at Bailey's Crossroadsthat outlasted the Lee Hwy. location by several years.I graduated from George Mason Jr.-Sr. H.S. in FallsChurch. My iconic memories are of the following:Anthony's PizzaMario's on Wilson BoulevardWeasel on WHFS (102.3)Root Boy SlimMac's Pipe and Drum at 34th & MJJ's Apple PieThe BayouMr. Henry's Tenley CircleThe BrickskellerThe Cellar DoorNRBQRosslyn Mountain BoysSir Lord BaltimoreRoy Buchanan & the Snake StretchersDanny Gatton & the Fat Boys (at the house on Haycock Road)The Original BirchmereThe original Seldom SceneBriggs Half-SmokesLum's on Broad St.The Dixie Freez before Lum'sTopp's Drive-inAttala's PizzaTaco-Tico on Hillwood Ave.Fairfax DeliThe Confederate Sandwich ShopTuthill's Pool HallWhitey's in ArlingtonThe Wilson TavernEddie Leonard's at Thomas CircleBob's Beef House at Fairfax CircleTyson's Corner as a farm

        1. re: flavrmeistr

          I remember seeing Roy Buchanan at the Crossroads. (I think I have one of his albums around here somewhere. Probably next to one from Elmore James who I can remember listening to on WOL on nights when Dupont Circle was closed by police.) I also vaguely remember getting in to see Roy Clarke when I wasn't carded. Today the Crossroads is still a nightclub but its a Jamaican one. Did I mention seeing Jimi Hendrix play the Star Spangled Banner on his guitar at the Ambassador at 18th and Columbia?
          Some memories aren't good ones. In '68 after Martin Luther King was murdered D. C. literally burned. I remember going up on the sunroof of a high rise in Silver Spring and watch fires burn in the distance on Georgia Avenue half way downtown as well as hearing stories of armored personnel carriers patrolling Georgia Ave, 14th Street and H Street northeast among others.

          1. re: Joe H.

            That was all part of it wasn't it, Joe? The mounted cops with their powder-blue helmets and four-footnightsticks. I remember riding the bus into town tochurch at 12th & Massachusetts and seeing them lineK street every 30 feet. After church, my Mom and sister and I walked down to lunch at The Nanking Restaurant in the basement of a brownstone at 10th& Mass. Still one of the finest Chinese places in memory. It didn't burn then, but it did a few years later.Then there were the Mayday riots of '71, very excitingand a lot more fun (for me, at least). Kids these daysjust don't know what fun is.

            1. re: flavrmeistr

              When I look back on the late '60's and early '70's I find that it puts the world today in sort of a perspective. While there was no incident like a World Trade Center or Pentagon most major cities had large areas that had burned to the ground and a war waged on the other side of the earth that threatened everyone under 30 regardless of their belief in its justice, whether they went or not. From friends who died in it and the fear for those that might be sent it was not one of America's better times. Then everything that MLK had fought for was being threatened-there was real anger, right here with real damage. I would suggest that in the U. S. then fear was perhaps even more widespread and economic concern actually far greater than it is today.

              1. re: Joe H.

                I hear ya, Joe. I'm still enjoying the economic gains
                made during the Clinton years. I never thought I'd live
                to see the outright theft of a Presidential election,
                though. I find that much scarier than all the burning and looting I witnessed as a kid.

                1. re: flavrmeistr

                  We've drifted off topic here, folks. Please, let's get back to chow talk on this board. Thanks.

                  1. re: The Chowhound Team

                    Beg your pardon, all.

            2. re: Joe H.

              There was also a club called the Cross Keys onBladensburg Road, a little dump where my brotherand his band could always get work because it wasso rough no other band would play there more than once. One night the bouncers jumped on a little guyand tossed him out. He came back with a chainsawand did a fair job of cutting the place into firewood.That is, until he ran out of gas. Then they jumped on him again, beat him up some more and threw him out.And, like always, the band played on and they didn'teven stop pouring drinks until he cut the bar in half.

              1. re: flavrmeistr

                I thought that club was called the Peacecross. I played in Wipeout on drums there and scored a 10 despite not playing perfectly, but was beaten by a girl who was an amazing fiddler.

                1. re: stxnpx

                  You're probably thinking of Crossroads, near the Bladensburg Peace Cross. I'm pretty sure Roy Buchanan had a regular gig there.

                  1. re: 4X4

                    I'm sure you're right; I was only there once and thought it was the Peacecross at the Crossroads, but must have it backwards.

          2. re: Joe H.

            Thank you. I remember the ice cream

            1. re: Joe H.

              I remember York Castle in the early 1970s as owned by an immigrant from a Caribbean country. He used to make tropical ice cream flavors like mango.

              There was a bakery called Danny's, off Eastern Avenue, that was possibly the best bakery I have ever been to in my whole life.

              The Tastee Diner in downtown Silver Spring, for bread pudding.

              A wonderful Chinese restaurant down Georgia just below Colesville road run by a family named Kang or Kiang, something like that. Their kids went to Northwood though, not Blair.

              Re the rum buns that always came to the table at seafood restaurants, I have a recipe if anybody wants it.

              Days of sanity. Everybody's dad worked for the Fed and bought his suits at Lewis & Thomas Saltz. Everybody's mom bought groceries at Snider's or Magruder's. There was talk that some day DC might even have a subway but nobody much believed this.

          3. Churchill class of '76 here, so I remember several things on your list, but not all.

            Peter Pan and the only Phillips were two highlights of each summer for me. On the last day of school, my grandparents would take us WAY out to the country to Peter Pan for a celebration dinner. I remember the peacocks on the grounds, the fried shrimp (I'm still partial to fried shrimp all these years later) but especially their hush puppies with cheese in them. We went to Phillips on our only night out during our one-week vacations in OC. I don't actually remember anything about the food, though, just the atmosphere. Haven't been since I was 12, I'd guess, because there were "better" restaurants by then that my parent's preferred.

            I definitely remember the rum buns, though. It pains me that O'Donnells has totally ruined them now!

            I'll add a few:

            The Hot Shoppes drive in (not drive through!) in Wheaton (Mighty Moe and an Orange Freeze, please!)

            Velati's caramels (my mother's favorites)

            Lombardi's pizza on the boardwalk in OC (it was the perfect, incredibly thin NY-style pizza - I still dream about finding one like this)

            Thanks for the trip down memory lane!

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            1. re: Terrie H.

              How about Nicola's "Nicabolis" oin OC (maybe it's Rehobeth)...the original calzone??? Huge (literally a pizza folded in half), cheesy, greasy, yum! We never missed a stop as kids in the 70's.

            2. Thanks for the great memories, however, one of my favorites was the Hot Shoppe, Georgia Ave (before McDonals's and Roy Roger's). It was great fun sneaking out my dad's restaurant and having a Mighty Mo/Cheeseburger and a chocolate milk shake. Now, I would just kill to get a good corn beef sandwich without having to drive an hour.

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              1. re: Rita H

                Was your dad's restaurant Hofberg's on Eastern Avenue?

              2. I'm quite a bit younger, but I grew up in Shepard Park and remember quite a few of these places. A few of my long lost favorites are:

                Sakura Palace
                Danny's Bakery
                Angelo's Pizzaria
                Furama Chinese
                Jamaica Joe's
                Little Tavern

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                1. re: Moe Green

                  I remember Shepherd Park...the bar.

                  1. re: Joe H.

                    Do you mean the "Shepard Park Restaurant" (formerly the Shepard Park Go-Go)? It was the only restaurant I knew of with no windows and there always seemed to be a lot of bikers walking in there. Hmmmmmm....

                    No wonder, my dad never took the family there :)

                      1. re: Moe Green

                        The reason your dad never took the family to the Shephard Park Bar was that it was a sleazy ta-ta place not suitable for families other then the Osbournes!!

                        1. re: Moe Green

                          Shepherd Park Lounge was headquarters for PagansM.C. and the site of many nasty doings.

                    1. I remember some of those joints...and I also remember my parents complaining that when they moved to Bethesda in 1963, the only places to stop for a bite after the movies was Giffords or the Tastee. Maybe the Charcoal Harth or the Pines of Rome stayed open late on a weekend night, but nothing compared to what they were used to out west. What a difference four decades makes!

                      And what about:
                      the zebra room for pizza
                      Armands (only for subs, they didn't make pizza til the late 70s)
                      chasing the ducks at Evans Farm Inn or Normandie Farm (almost as much fun as the peacocks at the Peter Pan)
                      Trav's chili

                      Was it "Tops," or "Topps?" I seem to remember the one on Wisconin Ave in Bethesda morphing into a Ginos, unless I have my timeline backwards. At which did you place the drive-in orders on a phone, rather than an intercom?

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                      1. re: joanek

                        Armand's was next door to Maggie's which had thin crust pizza going back to the early '60's. Both places along with the Zebra Room on MaComb served my friends and I when we were seventeen. The Bethesda Charcoal House was in the 7200 block of Wisconsin Avenue and Tops eventually became a Gino's which was named after Gino Marchetti. The same time he opened Gino's his former teammate from the Colts, Alan Ameche, opened Ameche's Powerhouse in Baltimore but the several Ameche's were never as successful as Gino's which became a fairly large chain before selling out. The Pines of Rome opened in the early '70's on Montgomery Lane. Travs I never went to. When I was in Glen Echo I would go to the amusement park where on friday nights a friend of mine and I would try to "meet" girls and ride the roller coaster with them. Usually we didn't have much success but we rode it anyway. In fact this really led to what I do today which is, literally, sell roller coasters. (Yes!)
                        Hot Shoppes, Mighty Mo Drive In (there were five or six around D. C.), Fat Boy in Baltimore all had "teletrays." I think the Varsity also had them on 40 West.
                        Gifford's was the best ice cream in the D. C. area and for me personally there is still a sense of loss. When I'm in Cincinnati I sometimes stop at Graeter's which is VERY similar. You can still get a Swiss Sundae and the original ice cream (but not the ambience) at York Castle in the 9200 block of Georgia Avenue in Silver Spring. The Bethesda Gifford's only bought the name not the base or the recipes.
                        You must remember Mario's on River Road?

                        1. re: Joe H.

                          Actually, Mario's fell off my list, for some reason. I meant to have it there. It closed while I was in college or soon after, but it was part of my bethesda childhood. (I was in the "tot" category when my parents moved there in the early 60s)

                          I only entered Trav's once(much tougher than Georgetown for underagers and too scary for us good girls), and it was toward the very end of the run for the bar. The chili lives on though, you can find it at the bar of the Inn at Glen Echo. Same bar, too.

                          Pines of Rome had a bit of competition from the bethesda Roma for a while, but that didn't last long. I wandered into "the pines" about a year ago, same menu, same food, looked to be same people sitting at the tables.

                          1. re: Joe H.

                            Trav's was famous for three things; fights, cheap women and the nastiest chili-dog in christendom.My brother and the guys in his band lived in a housebehind there in the early seventies. Last I heard Trav's was still there, but I'm sure it's nothing like theold days. Modern morality and the advent of SWATteams would just not permit it.

                            1. re: flavrmeistr

                              Trav's is long gone---it's now the Inn at Glen Echo. The bar is still there, as is the chili. (Bikers are gone, for the most part. Now, it's the 2 wheeled kind)

                              I don't recall the Inn ever coming up here. I like it, especially for a birthday or family event, as it's fairly easy to get a private room. And, I've never had a bad meal. Kinda pricey, but nice ambience.

                              I grew up on the hill above it and we would always sneak a glance when driving by, hoping to see a fight!

                              1. re: joanek

                                I have a souvie from Trav's to this day--eight stitches on my forehead.

                                1. re: flavrmeistr

                                  OK, two more from me. How about Fred's Inn, home of the Pagans at CU and the Acropolie right off the MD in DC.

                        2. Holy Cow!

                          Well I was just a young pup- but I do remember Bowling for Dollars. or was that Dialing for Dollars.....

                          Yellow Submarine on WJZ I think, every Easter Sunday (!?!?!)

                          Silber's Bakery on york road.

                          the original Jack's Corned Beef. (and gino's!)

                          city Fair =(

                          Pop's Discount Toys in Belvedere. Man I blew some rolled pennies in there!

                          1. Eventually habit replaces memory. Given that, this is indeed an impressive post. That said, I grew up in SoCal, culturally isolated. Sorry I can't contribute.

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                            1. re: dbutcher

                              In the early and mid 60's there were many people who would argue that you grew up in the best place on earth.

                              1. re: Joe H.

                                For the rest of my life I will regret that I was a decade too late. But don't think that I harbor any animosity for the fact that you just reminded me of that. I still have Italy, which is more than adequate compensation.
                                Best. Dave.

                                1. re: dbutcher

                                  70's too. Even though I have lived in D. C. all my life I was married in Malibu and two of my three best friends live in Santa Clarita and Huntington Beach.

                            2. OMG did I just experience a blast form the past. Joe H. must have also gone to Blair with my hubby who dated both Connie Chung-junior prom-and Goldie-but according to him everybody dated Goldie.Here are some more oldie but equally as nauseating goodies:

                              The Hot Shoppes after any football game and the incredible oft tried but never duplicated Mighty Mo.
                              Saturday matinees at the Silver Theatre-first kids got in free-and also the Roth Theatre.
                              Nolte Teen club
                              The Who and Led Zeppelin on the same bill at Merriweather.
                              The first shopping mall teens had to cruise to-Wheaton Plaza.
                              The most exceptional subs from Marchones-they still make them just as good!!
                              Queens Chapel Drive In
                              Glen Echo and the Crystal Pool-desecration of the highest magnitude when they destroyed it.
                              Kramers Pool
                              I have to go now. I fell more grey hairs appearing.

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                              1. re: michel

                                Michael, I realize that it is 12 years later, but what can you tell me about Kramers Pool? I can't find it on the internet.
                                Mary K Dorr

                              2. OMG did I just experience a blast form the past. Joe H. must have also gone to Blair with my hubby who dated both Connie Chung-junior prom-and Goldie-but according to him everybody dated Goldie.Here are some more oldie but equally as nauseating goodies:

                                The Hot Shoppes after any football game and the incredible oft tried but never duplicated Mighty Mo.
                                Saturday matinees at the Silver Theatre-first kids got in free-and also the Roth Theatre.
                                Nolte Teen club
                                The Who and Led Zeppelin on the same bill at Merriweather.
                                The first shopping mall teens had to cruise to-Wheaton Plaza.
                                The most exceptional subs from Marchones-they still make them just as good!!
                                Queens Chapel Drive In
                                Glen Echo and the Crystal Pool-desecration of the highest magnitude when they destroyed it.
                                Kramers Pool
                                I have to go now. I fell more grey hairs appearing.

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                                1. re: michel

                                  Hi all -I really didnt mean to post an excessive amount of the same message. Ever so sorry.

                                  1. re: michel

                                    Who was your hubby? Did he graduate in '63 or '64?
                                    Also, forgive me, but the original Jerry's on University Blvd. was far superior to Marchone's. (I can't help myself. I probably had an opinion about the bottle that my mother brought for me in the crib!) We should talk about Pop's pizza on Henderson in Wheaton however. That was really g-o-o-d pizza!
                                    And Goldie Hawn was a very popular girl in the best sense but she was not a cheerleader or the lead in any plays or anything like that. But she was popular and well liked.
                                    Mighty Mo? My first bite of a freshly made Mighty Mo when I was five or six years old STILL is the single best bite of food that I have ever put in my mouth. I should note that it had extra Mo sauce on it though.
                                    To this day it has had a truly profound effect on me.

                                    1. re: Joe H.

                                      hey-the virtual world is really to small!Never expected to run into a potential classmate of my hubbies-all I will say is that he graduated in 64 and the last name was stevens-get out the yearbook Joe. As to the xtra Mo sauce-if you take thousand island dressing mix in a little xtra ketchup or seafood sauce and some really good pickle relish you can do a close approximation-close enuff for our ole farts memory at least. I think the actual recipe is in a cookbook called Top Secret Recipes of Restaurant Kitchens. Bob Levy also published it in his column within the last few years.
                                      As far as Pop's was concrned, yes the pizza was gr8 but the waitresses must have gone to the Attila the HUNgry School of Waitressing. They were the some of the most rude food service people I have ever run into and being a chef for over 20 years thats saying something!! My pie place of choice was the original Ledos in Langley. Who knew it would become the palace of pies that it is today?

                                      1. re: michel

                                        The original Ledo's is still a great pizza. I've raved at length about it on here. But in truth, growing up here, the truly BIG DEAL was to go down for pizza to Luigi's on 19th or Anna Maria's on Connecticut Avenue. I also remember Gusti's on M Street but I think it was really just going downtown that made it special. I also remember going to the Old Stein on Connecticut where it was really dark and then later walking around the Jefferson or Lincoln Memorials. I always used to think that if it wasn't for the "temporary buildings" on the Mall D. C. would be one of the most beautiful cities anywhere. Now that they're gone and I've seen much of the rest of the world I know that it is.
                                        About Mo sauce: I worked at Hot Shoppes #10 at Wisconsin and Van Ness as a waiter for three years from 11th grade into the first year of college. When customers asked for a side souffle cup of Mo sauce we were instructed to use a ladle of Russian dressing, the exact same Russian dressing that we put on salads. The manager didn't want us to tie up the grill person with a special request. There were arguments in the kitchen about the difference, if any, between Mo sauce and Russian dressing. I remember an assistant manager one day running out of Mo sauce in the station where they were made, 50 at a time, during lunch. He came over and ladled Russian dressing into a container and took it over to the grill and used it. A little while later I stole a Mo and went into the dishroom and ate it.
                                        I couldn't tell a difference.
                                        The next day someone disagreed with my opinion they were the same. We went into a food locker and got plastic bags of Mo sauce and Russian dressing. The ingredients were listed on both bags. They were the exact same but in different order.
                                        I have the Hot Shoppes Cookbook and have made their recipe for Mo sauce. It tastes like Russian dressing.
                                        By the way if you remember Hot Shoppes Ice Cream Cake you can still get it at the Charcoal Pit on Route 202 in Wilmington, Delaware which coincidentally has a half pound hamburger that may be the best in America. The Charcoal Pit is a Wilmington institution dating to the late '40's. The hot fudge ice cream cake is an EXACT duplicate of Hot Shoppes'.

                                        1. re: Joe H.

                                          I can't believe the Hot Shoppes Hot Fudge Ice Cream Cake is available (albeit in different name). Thanks for the post! I pretty much had given up on that. Our family had a tradition of going to the very Hot Shoppes where you worked, for the hot fudge ice cream cake, after a school play or concert. Remember "Table Talk"?

                                          Also, as long as i'm posting..how about Roy's next door? For a while they actually had good roast beef sandwiches (to my high school palate), then they changed to the prefab stuff that tastes like plastic. Two of my older sisters worked there briefly, until they determined that the grease in the air gave them pimples. I didn't take the risk.

                                          I also want to second the praise for Gino's - on River Road. there was something about Gino's apple turnovers....they were soft, in a good way.

                                          1. re: lizmc

                                            When I worked at the Hot Shoppes On Wisc. there was still a parking lot where later the Hot Shoppes Jr. and, then, later Roy's would open.
                                            God, that was a LONG time ago.

                                          2. re: Joe H.

                                            luigi's pizza is still ok. Competition may be the cause of the "okayness," vs "greatness"...back when there was little to compare it to, Luigi's was great. (i hope that makes sense!)

                                            1. re: joanek

                                              Your point is well taken about Luigi's. But even then I thought Ledo's in Hyattsville (NOT any of the franchises that are around today) was seriously good pizza. Occasionally my wife and I will drive from Reston to University Boulevard to eat it.
                                              On the other hand there were a whole bunch of Pizza Ovens back then. Arlington had three Pizza Pantries. Well, then, that was basic street corner industrial pizza that shouldn't have been spoken of in the same breath with Luigi's, Pop's, Ledo's, etc.
                                              There are several Pizza Ovens and one Pizza Pantry left. You know that pizza is pretty good now! It doesn't taste industrial anymore. Probably part of the reason is the memory of what I had as a kid, perhaps even a reaction one slice of Domino's too many. But it's still good.
                                              Luigi's? I'm afraid to go back for fear of being disappointed. We drive to Hyattsville and the original Ledo's instead.

                                  2. Several people posted nostalgia for the wonderful Mighty Mo sauce. Here is a chance for those who did to relive that wonderful time of cruisin the Shoppes after football and ending Saturday night dates with a big ole drippy Mighty Mo.Sound of trumpets-I offer THE RECIPE for the sauce of our teen culinary dreams.
                                    Half cup Ketchup
                                    quarter cup chili sauce
                                    1 1/2 t. A1
                                    1/2 t. Worcestershire
                                    2 drops Tabasco
                                    Mix the above 4 together
                                    add 1/2 c. finely chopped sweet pickle
                                    stir all of above into 1 1/4 c. mayo (always use Hellmans)
                                    Stored in jar with tight fitting lid will last at least a couple weeks
                                    So hope you all enjoy a regional culinary walk down memory lane-I can actually hear the Beach Boys and Otis Redding playing!!

                                    1. How could you forget Dominique's, Ollie's Trolly, and Sans Souci, and Roma. Good God, the old restaurants sucked.

                                      I do miss Jean-Louis at the Watergate.

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                                      1. re: law_doc89

                                        Ollie's Trolly still sucks. No idea what happened here, but the interior is disgusting, the Ollieburger had no Ollie Sauce on it (?!), and everything inside is covered with signs that say, "DO NOT TOUCH! ANTIQUE!"

                                        I miss Roma, though. Also Gusti's and Blackie's House of Beef.

                                      2. How about the Varsity Grill and the Italian Gardens
                                        Burger Chef
                                        The Allen theater
                                        The Red Barn
                                        Grand Union
                                        Regina High School
                                        Kirby Scott and Wing Ding
                                        and lastly The Hangmen VS. Lawrence and the Arabians

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                                        1. re: MaryDorr5

                                          I love that you listed Burger Chef.
                                          I'm about 9 years younger than the OP, so I don't know more than maybe 20% of what he listed.
                                          I'd add Giffords,
                                          and the still operating Continental Pizza in Kensington, which is like entering a time machine that's stuck in one place (mid-60's)

                                          1. re: mdfoodlover

                                            I'm 62, and I don't know what that means to the folks on here, although I did notice that some were mentioning things that were before my time.

                                            1. re: mdfoodlover

                                              The Continental Pizza in Kensington is closed, I believe.

                                              1. re: Lori D

                                                Wrong. Still open, serving the best (and largest) steak & cheese in the area.

                                                1. re: Mister Big

                                                  Bigger/better than Mario's? I am intrigued. I am there.

                                          2. Joe H - Great to see you back. I'm Blair '67. Two glaring omissions: Stone House Inn in Four Corners, and a great chain, Eddie Leonard's.

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                                            1. re: Mister Big

                                              I didn't see Joe H. back -- looks like a revival of an old thread by someone who has more to say on the subject. I do miss Joe H. !

                                              1. re: Terrie H.

                                                Yeah, I realized it was an old thread after posting. I hope Joe H is okay.

                                                1. re: Mister Big

                                                  Joe H is around and doing fine. I haven't seen him post on CH lately, but he's still moderately active on donrockwell.

                                              2. I realize that the original post is more than 10 years old but since it's been revived ....
                                                It seems more DC-oriented than Baltimore. Obvious Baltimore food institutions from the era are missing: Hausners, the Pimlico Inn, Gino's and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Also missing are Hot Shoppes, which started in DC, and then spread to Balto, and other points in the mid-Atlantic.

                                                1. Was there a pizza joint near the National Zoo in the 80s called something like Popeye's Pizza? I remember eating there a couple of times as a teenager after visiting the zoo. Maybe it wasn't Popeye's, but it some kind of cartoon theme.

                                                  1. Harvey's was a fancy restaurant that I went to on a date once as a teenager. We tried escargot and lobster. When my then-boyfriend used his knife to cut the lobster claw, the lobster shot off of our table, flew across the aisle and bounced off the shoe of the distinguished gentleman sitting there. We were mortified but also silently laughing so hard that we were crying.

                                                    I also loved Phineas Prime Rib in Rockville; the broiled mushrooms with horseradish/whipped cream, the prime rib, and later the frozen Bailey's Irish Cream Pie were delicious.

                                                    1. Certainly a DC post. BTW Towson HS in Baltimore County won the state basketball championship in '63. Through the 60s, DC food was mostly a waste land--DC people would come to Baltimore, esp Little Italy for a good meal. The best restos then in DC in my memory were Duke Zeiberts and the Jockey Club. Alas, I was too young to recall their quality, but I do remember the JC as being way different from anything I had eaten before

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                                                      1. re: tartuffe

                                                        Aw, man! There was the Nanking, Harvey's, O'Donnell's, Ma Maison, Ristorante AV, Jean Pierre, the Gaslight and many others. Don't get me wrong, I love Baltimore, but the main reasons we went there were because the bars never closed and everything was about 1/3rd cheaper.

                                                      2. In my long-ago youth, I was delighted to discover that at the DC waterfront giant "Flagship" (or was it Phillips ... memory fades) dessert, in the form of delicious rum buns, came BEFORE the meal, and you could have more if you asked!

                                                        As for the power of marketing, the sign in front of the several Little Tavern burger joints said "Buy 'Em By The Bag" ... so we did!

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                                                        1. re: wayne keyser

                                                          First it was the original Flagship across Maine Avenue from the river, then it moved over to the wharf side of Maine Avenue, then eventually became Phillips Flagship. The original rum buns remained pretty much the same until a while into the Phillips years, when they became skimpier and probably a little more heart-healthy.

                                                          There was a branch of the Flagship in Arlington for a while, at a former school on Wilson Boulevard a few blocks toward Clarendon from Parkington (now Ballston Common).

                                                          1. re: wayne keyser

                                                            Flagship and Hogates were "twins" in the same way that O'Donnell's and Bish Thompson's were so similar and a block apart in Bethesda.

                                                          2. Does anyone know what happened to Kramers Pool in Montgomery County?

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                                                            1. re: MaryDorr5

                                                              Did you ever get an answer? Do you know where Kramers Pool was? I have been asking everyone I know but no one seems to remember where it was.

                                                            2. Moved from the city to Wheaton in 1958. Thought I moved to the country, there was a barn across Arcola Ave.from our housing development when the Wheaton regional tennis courts are now. Went to Kennedy High school (class of 1970) Let me add a few things to your list.

                                                              Mike's Pizza on University Blvd.: If we folded 50 pizza boxes for Mike it earned us 3 pieces of pizza and large coke.

                                                              The Wheaton Youth Center: free pool tables, roller skating and concerts on weekends. Supposedly Lead Zeppelin played there but I don't remember it.

                                                              The Wheaton Hot Shops: All the guys with the hot cars hung out there until they tore it down. Then they moved to the Little Tavern across the street.

                                                              Pop's Pizza: first place I heard the Beatles on their jukebox.

                                                              The Slack Shack on Georgia Ave.: very cool clothes at reasonable prices

                                                              1. I grew up north of Baltimore and my father was one of the partners, Maria the other, of the original Marias 300. Philips,Buddy Deane, Ameche s and yes the Gayety,which wasn t far from Little Italy. Thanks for bringing back some great memories!

                                                                1. I love nostalgia threads on foodie sites because you basically get a pass to remember mediocre restaurants/stores from your youth like they were the best things on earth. And on that note I miss Shakey's and their tangy sauced pizza with the thick cut pepperoni that would pool grease when it came out of the oven... And I miss Farrells too. Can still almost hear the crazy music when someone ordered one of those giant sundaes that came in a metal bowl bigger than a wrecking ball... And the attached candy store.

                                                                  And while we are at it I miss Lowens magnificent Toy Store. And being able to ride my little bike from the suburbs of Bethesda all the way "downtown" before the metro and the Wang building appeared and every street wasnt one way the wrong way and parking was actually possible. I remember ditching my mongoose in front of my favorite arcade and playing robotron all day before taking what little money I had left and getting McDonalds across from BCC.

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                                                                  1. re: Insidious Rex

                                                                    I also love these particular memory threads. I only once ate a pizza at Shakey's. It wasn't a Baltimore local availability that I can remember. I can barely remember eating a Pizza Hut pizza.

                                                                    But, speaking of pizza--in the summer months of the late 1960's--my Mom and Dad would take myself and my BFF (before we anointed the BFF term)to a local drive-in open movie theater. My friend and I were young enough to get "free passes." I remember getting the drive-in pizza along with french-fries (I'm surprised we are still alive at this day and age--the greasy pepperoni on the cheese and fries to boot--along with rootbeers (high-test sugar). Sometimes, at that time, the food was more intriquing then the actual movie. But--Franco Zefferli's "Romeo and Juliet" was a huge hit and my friend and I could hardly eat because we were in "love" with the "Romeo". Then the horror movies--with Bette Davis and Joan Crawford--something about "Baby Jane,etc." I just can remember those scarey movies, but loved the food.

                                                                    So many of our memories are based on food related experiences--White Coffee Pot--Emerson's Steakhouse--Marconi's--the original Chesapeake-Gino's hamburgers--Pete's Grill in Catonsville (I doubt that anyone remembers those hot dogs with chilli--phew). Father's Gay Nineties in Catonsville with outrageous icecream concoctions.

                                                                    Look back to the Brentwood Inn--I ate my first duck 'ala orange. So young and sophisticated to eat a duck--and the "mixoligist" pouring a saucy mixed drink down my mouth without spilling on me. Mrs's Pose's cheesecakes.

                                                                    Don't forget the Pimlico Hotel. The menu was overwhelming but wonderfully executed. There was dancing and music and great service and a sommelier--(spelling)--that was a big thing back then--especially when I was quite young. Good food/dining memories that we Chowhounds love to share. FoiGras

                                                                    1. re: FoiGras

                                                                      The Shakey's in Annandale VA featured live bluegrass. Benny and Vallie Cain used to play there frequently when they weren't at the Annandale Grill up the street. The pizza was pretty good and the beer was always cold.

                                                                  2. Please add to your list the cheese Danishes at Katz's Kosher Market, Four Corners.

                                                                    1. I remember going to Gifford's in the early fifties...fast forward to high school and it was Top's, Little Tavern, Hot Shoppes, and Arnold's Hofbrau. Egg salad at Woolworth's. The Burger Chef on Glebe a Road...three burgers, three fries, a root beer, and change for a buck. Who doesn't remember DeMatha beating a Power?!?