155870 Mon Mar 13 13:12:01 -0800 2006 58 12 Boston Area 0 838596 Took a friend for a belated birthday lunch on Sunday. We ordered a charcuterie plate to share and an arugula, beet and blue cheese salad, also to share. We each had two glasses of wine (not big pours) and two cups of coffee afterwards. The bill was $92 before tip. Don't get me wrong -- the food was lovely, the wine was perfect, and we enjoyed our time people-watching thru the windows. But isn't that a LOT of cash for a small amount of food and drink? I wasn't particularly surprised ... when MCSlim says a place is pricy one should pay attention ... but I don't think I can ever return. I feel gouged. Mon Mar 13 13:12:01 -0800 2006 0 yumyum 1 838608 Even in New York that would seem a tad high in price, considering that the charcuterie plate is more of an appetizer, no? How much is it for a hot dog there? (I noticed it on their menu!) But if they can get people to pay, more power to them, I guess. You have to wonder how many people have that kind of money, though. It's not like the economy is all that great these days...perhaps it's mostly people on expense accounts going there? Mon Mar 13 14:30:31 -0800 2006 838596 0 hiddenboston 2 838613 It was a Sunday lunch, no suits or expense accounts visible, and the place was plenty packed. I guess you're right ... if people will pay that money for that food they should charge it. I just know I can't go back, not that this will kill their business but still. The charcuterie plate is an app, and it's lovely -- three house-made terrines with the right accoutrements like cornichons and grainy mustard, some muscat gelee and cranberry compote. Really nice, but it's a small plate for two to share and it's $19. I think the hot dog was $18. As always, it was the wine that did us in. The special red that day was $14 a glass. Oooof. I didn't choose the venue, my guest did, and as I said, I wasn't all that shocked. But I sort of had that "was that worth 21 tortas from lupita?" kind of feeling. Mon Mar 13 14:42:46 -0800 2006 838608 0 yumyum 3 838616 Actually, that would be 28 tortas from Lupita. :-D Mon Mar 13 14:55:10 -0800 2006 838613 0 hiddenboston 4 838619 Tortas are $4 Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/69257257@N00/7756783/ Mon Mar 13 15:06:17 -0800 2006 838616 0 Dax 5 838621 I was factoring in the tip at the Butcher Shop (Tacos Lupita has no waitstaff). :-) So what would be a good, more reasonably priced option to the Butcher Shop (ie. a place with a similar menu and good food) in Boston proper or the South End/Back Bay? Mon Mar 13 15:20:55 -0800 2006 838619 0 hiddenboston 6 838628 I don't think there really is an alternative in the same vein. Which is probably why it is always crowded despite the high prices. It doesn't hurt that the food is just so good. Mon Mar 13 15:31:59 -0800 2006 838621 0 heathermb 7 838646 Food at the Butcher Shop is not NEARLY good enough to command the prices that it does. People are willing to pay a premium for slick dining in a slick place in a slick neighborhood. It's the whole, "If it's exclusive, it's good" mentality from which Boston suffers. Needless to say, I was a fan at one point but got real sick of the escalating prices. Mon Mar 13 16:01:28 -0800 2006 838628 0 Ernie Diamond 6 838670 Definitely not worth all those tortas. (Or banh mi!) As for alternatives, if you were strictly interested in the food and drink, you *could* always go to Formaggio on Shawmut and buy assorted charcuterie and wine of equal quality for quite a bit less. Of course, it's apples and oranges, eating out vs. staying in. But still, when Formaggio is your low-budget alternative, that's really saying something. Mon Mar 13 20:37:49 -0800 2006 838621 0 MichaelB 3 838625 An $18 hot dog is something that really pushes a button with me. It's a freaking restaurant, one that I've never even been to, nor will ever go to, yet I'm sitting here in my office completely p*ssed off at it right now. Heart rate & blood pressure rising steadily. I know, I have problems. Mon Mar 13 15:30:11 -0800 2006 838613 0 banshee 4 838641 What's on the damn hotdog anyway? This is a prime example of why I can't deal with B+G either - I think the prices are outrageous. It's fine for a glass of champagne and a plate of fresh oysters, but the entrees and sandwiches really aren't worth the price. Mon Mar 13 15:49:19 -0800 2006 838625 0 gini 3 838675 "But I sort of had that "was that worth 21 tortas from lupita?" kind of feeling." Baww haww... thanks Yumyum... I just spreayed my "special red wine" (actually a Bass Ale but whatever) all over my screen. Mon Mar 13 22:02:03 -0800 2006 838613 0 Stagger 1 838611 Gouged sums it up wonderfully. The food at her establishments is good, very good at times but the prevailing attitude of having cornered the market on upscale bistro cuisine infuriates me. It amounts to Dining-room Piracy. The worst part is that the silly hype that surrounds her place is what allows them to command such unfair prices. Where she started out as being in the pole position to really make an impact on the Boston dining scene, she has done nothing more than foist a chain of restaurants serving overpriced food to overly trendy rubes (present company excepted, of course). I started out an ardent fan of Barbara Lynch but now I feel that it's just not worth it. Mon Mar 13 14:35:31 -0800 2006 838596 0 Ox Nightmare 1 838633 I stopped going there when the local wine bar turned into "You HAVE to eat to be able to sit at the BAR". That is freakin' ridiculous! For a wine bar? I used to go 3-4 nights a week, now - not at all. I stoped going to B&G too. I would rather take the Orange line to Haymarket and Give my $$ to Neptune. I wa sthere Thursday night and we had a dozen oysters and a bottle of champagne for about $50 or so $$$. Or take the Green line to Kenmore and give Eastern Standard my $$$. I have had FULL meals and drinks for $92 at ES. Boils my blood too. Mon Mar 13 15:42:48 -0800 2006 838596 0 Shefood 1 838634 I stopped going there when the local wine bar turned into "You HAVE to eat to be able to sit at the BAR". That is freakin' ridiculous! For a wine bar? I used to go 3-4 nights a week, now - not at all. I stoped going to B&G too. I would rather take the Orange line to Haymarket and Give my $$ to Neptune. I wa sthere Thursday night and we had a dozen oysters and a bottle of champagne for about $50 or so $$$. Or take the Green line to Kenmore and give Eastern Standard my $$$. I have had FULL meals and drinks for $92 at ES. Boils my blood too. Mon Mar 13 15:42:48 -0800 2006 838596 0 Shefood 2 838644 Shefood, I just got back from New Orleans. I had to laugh at oyster prices in New England when I saw that on the gulf coast, expensive oysters are 50 cents. Many places GIVE them away at happy hour. They are excellent, too. So my question; why not Boston? Mon Mar 13 15:55:32 -0800 2006 838634 0 Ernie Diamond 3 838648 Depends where you want to eat them. Ive been to many of the bars in New Orleans as well and you never pay more then $1/each regardless. In the high class fru-fru places they will always be top dollar... There are plenty of place in the boston area where you can get all you can eat oysters for very cheap. One that comes to mind is the Hudson Super Buffet in Hudson MA. Chinese buffet place. Dinner is $13 and includes all you can eat peel and eat shrimp, oysters , snow crab legs. There is typical chinese and other buffet food as well. Also some not so great sushi. But for $13 you can go eat crab legs, shrimp and oysters and get a great deal.. Mon Mar 13 16:03:10 -0800 2006 838644 0 jb 4 838653 Sounds good but it's really not the same as an "Oyster Bar" atmosphere that I'm looking for at places like Neptune or Union. (Footnote - half dozen at Casamento's was $3.50, Remoulade $3.70. I know that there are nicer places in town but regardless, oysters there are a shade of what they are here. Okay, no more NOLA talk...) Mon Mar 13 16:17:02 -0800 2006 838648 0 Ernie Diamond 2 838649 Neptune Oyster - YUM! They are the only place where I've had a hot lobster roll...boy is it good! Eastern Standard - double YUM! Their bibb salad and grilled cheese are my idea of the perfect meal! Mon Mar 13 16:04:17 -0800 2006 838634 0 heathermb 1 838688 pretty much sums up the new 'fabulous' south end. I don't even cross columbus anymore. but hey...you were around some very, very important hip people!!!! go to eastern stantdard next time...great oysters, wine and cocktails. Service is top notch...and interestingly enough, the owner is the 'g' of B&G...and he took a great deal of staff who used to work for her empire. They all seem much more relaxed and happy Tue Mar 14 06:42:26 -0800 2006 838596 0 NickCambridge 1 838689 I will admit - I like this place. I don't go as often as I would like, because it is expensive - however I find it amusing to see everyone saying the same things. If the food is great, the location, the wine list, the people watching - why not simply take that into consideration and treat it as a splurge. Anyone can find a cup of coffee for 1/2 to 1/3 the price of Starbucks, but we line up - why? Because going out is about feeling like we are treating ourselves. Has the charcuterie platter gone up a few bucks - probably. Have portion sizes gone down a tad - probably. It is still a fantastic place to go for a bite and a glass of wine. When I think of the number of times I spend $40 on a meal that unabashedly sucks, or $50, or even $100, I certainly get steamed, but we aren't talking about that. We are talking about a place where everyone agrees the food is great, the service is great, the wine and the atmosphere, both great. Just know that if you want to splurge, it will cost you - just like Toro, just like B & G - these are not neighborhood weekday dinner places for most of us, but they all do a great job and I feel that they are among the most exciting additions to a Boston dining scene which has far too many places featuring the same menu - You know the place, a Foie app for $18, with a $12 Tuna Tartare, some fancy salad for $9, and then entrees including a short rib dish, a steak, a chicken, and a couple of fish dishes, all in the $24 to $29 range, and everything (EVERYTHING) mediocre at best. Give me overpriced over under inspired ANY day! Tue Mar 14 07:35:14 -0800 2006 838596 0 Roejimmy 2 838692 It's a butcher shop. They serve an $18 hot dog. Yeah, I'm going to "splurge" and go "treat myself" because it's going to be so inspiring. I think the only thing that is being said here is that it's bloody expensive and very likely not worth the price tag. And there are other better options, should one feel like boycotting this outrageous behavior (okay, that's more my take on it). Fwiw, I don't line up at Sbucks to feel like I'm treating myself either. Tue Mar 14 08:05:39 -0800 2006 838689 0 banshee 3 838698 banshee, I know where you're coming from on this. I don't see myself going to a place that serves $18 hot dogs on principle alone. Several high-end places have two menus--one that is high-priced and caters to people willing to pay the extra money for a classy, elegant meal (or people on expense accounts), and one that is more reasonable for everyday customers, people in the neighborhood that may not be able to afford the other menu, or people who simply want a drink and some lighter fare before going somewhere else. Perhaps The Butcher Shop might want to consider doing this at some point? Although, again, if they are getting the crowds, I guess they have no need to do this. Tue Mar 14 08:54:22 -0800 2006 838692 0 hiddenboston 4 838708 If I might butt in... To add another element, and really, this is the crux of the matter for me, The Butcher Shop began as equal parts wine bar, bistro (for lack of a better term) and (importantly) butcher shop. What first attracted me to the place was that it was a beautiful setting, the menu was limited primarily to cold items (small plates/tapas style/however you choose to qualify that) and the price was reasonable. The air in the place was charged and excited. It was remarkable that this new joint in the South End had the sand to hang whole pigs, lambs and heirloom chickens in the refrigerator case! The Butcher Shop today has devolved into exactly the ho-hum dining experience that you describe above, Hiddenboston, the sort of experience that Boston has in spades. Sure, the kitchen is better, etc. but when it opened, the Butcher Shop offered NOTHING that could be found in other establishments. It was fun, it was exciting and it had promise. I suppose that I am slightly bitter because it had the tangible feel of a clubhouse for people who knew just what they were looking for. It was the St. John's (London) of Boston. Now...hey, anyone for an $18 hotdog? Tue Mar 14 10:10:58 -0800 2006 838698 0 Ernie Diamond 5 838721 Perhaps the people at the Butcher Shop will read some of this feedback (and other feedback elsewhere) and think about what they might want to do in the future to get people like you and others back in there. the hot dog thing really bothers me...not sure why (banshee, you touched upon a nerve here). Perhaps it's because hot dogs aren't an upscale food, so why charge upscale prices for them? I'll stick to the dogs at Simco's in Mattapan (you can get about 10 of the greatest hot dogs in Boston there for the price of one at the Butcher Shop--not that you would, but you could; well). Tue Mar 14 11:23:19 -0800 2006 838708 0 hiddenboston 6 838729 Here's hoping that they do. The Affair of the 'dog (as it will undoubtedly come to be known) is analogous to my problem with the oysters at B&G (coincidence?); ostensibly cheap food served at unfair prices because of the "exclusive" cachet. It is the hallmark of modern dining and it is wretched... The day will come when Big Macs serve as the inspiration for nouvelle cuisine. Tue Mar 14 11:56:36 -0800 2006 838721 0 Ernie Diamond 7 838732 "The day will come when Big Macs serve as the inspiration for nouvelle cuisine." Let's hope not! And not as long as Chowhound is alive and well:} Tue Mar 14 12:06:23 -0800 2006 838729 0 macca 7 838735 Regarding your problem with oysters, most of the ones I've had in my multiple visits to New Orleans have been fried or baked. I've had some raw ones down there, but wouldn't risk it this year due to the hurricanes. I don't think most of those fried/baked oysters are freshly shucked to order, instead I think they come from the buckets. But I could be wrong. Labor costs of freshly schucked necessitate oyster costs in the $1-$2.50 range. I've had some decent gulf oysters in the past, but I generally prefer oysters from colder climes. Tue Mar 14 12:10:51 -0800 2006 838729 0 Dax 8 838744 You're right Dax, many are fried but that doesn't say much given the prevalance of oysters in NOLA. However, I ate several dozen raw oysters, shucked at bars all over town. They are not for the timid. They are huge and somewhat flabby but excellent. In truth, oysters from New England waters are generally better tasting raw but Gulf Oysters are a regional taste and it was fun to experience it. re. the safety issue? It took some faith that they were clean but that is a huge industry down there and I was confidant that the inspectors weren't going to let bad beds be harvested. If I recall, some feel that the amount of sediment in the waters is going to make for some great seasons. Tue Mar 14 13:07:04 -0800 2006 838735 0 Ernie Diamond 9 838751 No getting around that the majority of oysters farmed in the US come from the Gulf. They're different and good on their own but I like New England, Canadian and Pacific Northwest oysters more. Makes me wonder if McCormick and Schmick still has $1 oysters on Tuesday nights at the bar. I called just now and they said yes, from 6-midnight. Hmmm. Tue Mar 14 13:46:38 -0800 2006 838744 0 Dax 10 838754 Thanks Dax, might have to check that out... Not to be overly picky but are they fresh shucked? I know for example that oysters at Union get shucked ahead of time to give the guys a bit of a buffer when the rush hits. Tue Mar 14 13:57:04 -0800 2006 838751 0 Ernie Diamond 11 838762 The only place to get freshly shucked oysters at the Union Oyster House is if you sit at the front little half-circle oyster bar. If you sit anywhere else, you're getting an oyster that was opened g*d-knows-when. Tue Mar 14 14:33:56 -0800 2006 838754 0 FullBelly 12 838798 That's right..they shuck to order at the bar only. If you sit anywhere else you will also probably have a disppointing meal..oysters or otherwise..:) Tue Mar 14 18:34:57 -0800 2006 838762 0 9lives 11 838767 They are reasonably fresh shucked. The bar has its own oyster bar and chef shucking away. They may sit out 10 minutes tops I'd imagine, less when more busy. I think you're supposed to order beers too, but that has never been a problem for me. Ususually there are about 5-6 different types of oysters available (not the entire oyster menu) and maybe two types of clams. Something like that. Tue Mar 14 14:59:43 -0800 2006 838754 0 Dax 9 838771 I find oyster from the Gulf..NOLA..or SC where I have family and visit often to be far cheaper than in New England or the Northwest..often $.25-50/piece Also far inferior in flavor..which is most noticeable when eaten raw. Ever notice when you got to a higher end "oyster bar" like B& G, Neptune, etc; where they may offer a choice of oysters, Wellfleets or other New England, NS..or Pacific Coast varieties there is rarely (if ever) a choice of Gulf Coast oysters...and this prdates Katrina. Don't get me wrong, I love them (particularly fried)but they're just not as good as those from the colder waters. Tue Mar 14 15:29:19 -0800 2006 838744 0 9lives 10 838776 The bar my brother works at on an island off the coast of Georgia sells steamed oysters for like $2/dozen or something ridiculously cheap. But they're bland and basically a vehicle for hot sauce or something like that. You can get them on the half-shell, but they are considerably more expensive. And not any better raw. Tue Mar 14 16:07:32 -0800 2006 838771 0 Dax 10 838788 Agreed 100% Like I said, it's a regional taste and fun to dabble in, especially at those prices. The cheapness factor allows for Oyster roasts, gumbos, stews and innumerable variations on the fried oyster...it's a shame that New England can't replicate that. Tue Mar 14 17:05:47 -0800 2006 838771 0 Ernie Diamond 9 839040 At least something that I have direct knowledge about. Gulf oysters have a problem with Vibrio Parahemolyticus. The risk of eating them is simply not worth the cheap price. The waters are not pristine, and I stay away from them Thu Mar 16 17:58:37 -0800 2006 838744 0 aadesmd 7 838886 In responce to the Hot Dog issue at the butcher shop. The "Hot Dog" is a handmade sausage not a simple hot dogg and it is stuffed with 100% organic pork. If you think its to much dont eat it and stop compalining, you want a big mac go spend $5 and get it. Anyone heard of the many $18 burgers in this city that are tha same size as the Hot dog in question, there are lots of them. What about the DB burger in NY thats $30+, or the breakfast sandwich at the Met club thats over $100. As for the Oyster issue, the oysters at B&G are remarkably fresh and they have 12 types. Most of the oysters at Neptune are same or MORE expensive. The McCormicks adn Schmidt $1 oysters on Tuesday night is a testament that they are no doing well, needa good gimmick to sell some oysters and drum up business. Wed Mar 15 17:56:44 -0800 2006 838729 0 jamestraic 8 838895 State your affiliation boss. I'll complain all I want about an $18 hot dog, b/c I can. And no, I don't want a big mac, regardless of the price, and yes, I've had absolutely sublime hot dogs here in Boston (Speed's) as well as all over Chicago that very likely are 18 times better than yours. And yes, I've heard about $18 & $30 burgers, and no I don't eat them. And yes, I'll continue to complain about your $18 hot dog and your other outrageous prices on every freaking food forum in the world. Keep your lousy hot dog. (and no, I have not tried it) Wed Mar 15 20:44:57 -0800 2006 838886 0 banshee 9 838949 Well I am not affiliated at all in fact, just a loyal customer, and since you have not had it, than i would not complain about it. I personally try things before i complain. Noone said you had to eat it. Thu Mar 16 11:03:59 -0800 2006 838895 0 jamestraic 8 838981 There is gimicky food nonsense all over the country: $18 hot dogs or sausages $30 burgers $100 breakfast Part of the reason the chowhound exists is so we can comment on the emperor's new clothes (or lack thereof). I personally find most of Lynch's stuff overblown and overpriced. Enjoy your $18 dog. Thu Mar 16 13:15:56 -0800 2006 838886 0 StriperGuy 9 838982 After reading this post and finding it very humorous, i walked by the Butcher shop to check it out, since i live in the area. The Hot Dog is $14, not $18 like previously stated. It is huge though, but $14 is still not inexpensive Thu Mar 16 13:19:43 -0800 2006 838981 0 kim 6 838730 Stop getting me so riled up over this hot dog issue! To get back to the crux of the board-matter, can you tell me more about the dogs at Simco's? (Meat, casings, etc) Tue Mar 14 11:57:43 -0800 2006 838721 0 banshee 7 838736 Simco's has foot-long hot dogs with casings that are pretty crisp, but not too snappy. The ones I get there are pork hot dogs, but they MAY have beef dogs, too. I'll have to check next time I go. It's a classic food stand on Blue Hill Avenue, with dogs, burgers, clams, etc. Has anyone had a hot dog at the Butcher Shop? If so, are they decent? Tue Mar 14 12:11:04 -0800 2006 838730 0 hiddenboston 8 838740 I'd have to go atleast halfsies on an $18 hotdog in order to be able to report on it... but I wouldn't because there is no way in the world that it would be worth it. Does (1) Hot Dog really cost $18 USD? Does it come with sides? This is seriously scandalous. I've enjoyed utilizing the Butcher Shop for their retail meats (mainly sausages) and the occaisonal glass of wine for the past couple of years, but if this sorta thing is going on when grill season starts... I'm going to have to go elsewhere. Tue Mar 14 12:29:48 -0800 2006 838736 0 icculus 9 838742 I know that at one point, The Butcher Shop got a lot of their products from Moon In the Pond farms. I suspect that the hotdog at BS (ha!) is modeled off theirs. Might be worth trying. http://www.mooninthepond.com/MITPOF_orderform.pdf PS- tempting to learn what an $18 snack tastes like but who wants to split a hotdog? PPS- Regarding your qualms about grilling season; I don't think that those prices apply to their products off the shelf. In fact, they used to carry a great olive oil there that was cheap as chips. Tue Mar 14 12:55:16 -0800 2006 838740 0 Ernie Diamond 9 838758 It's not scandalous at all! Obviously, this particular hot dog is borne of great breeding and sophistication. The skin is flown in fresh daily from Tuscany, made from the entrails of pigs, hand-coddled and only fed the finest milk and hominy. The meat stuffing is ground by Barbara herself and is comprised of the finest quality boar, elk, deer, bison, emu, eland, lemur and Norwegian beaver. It is studded with French black truffles and foie gras (and stuffed mere moments after your order by a team of dedicated Cuban cigar makers). Hand-grilled on a Coleman in the alley...delivered fresh to your tabla! Tue Mar 14 14:18:33 -0800 2006 838740 0 Bob Dobalina 10 838789 Oh wow, I wasn't aware that it contained the meat of the elusive Norwegian beaver, this does change things. Tue Mar 14 17:15:34 -0800 2006 838758 0 icculus 10 838804 Bob, the pig feed - is that three-part or four-part hominy? ;-) Tue Mar 14 21:49:27 -0800 2006 838758 0 Mary V. 10 838829 That does clarify things a bit. I think the pigs used for the hot dogs at Sullivan's on Castle Island are fed only chocolate milk, and no hominy at all. I guess that's why you can get about 400 of them for $92 in November just before they close for the winter. ;-) Wed Mar 15 10:29:53 -0800 2006 838758 0 hiddenboston 8 838746 I have had the Butcher Shop hot dog (though I don't remember it being that expensive at the time). It's actually a bratwurst (much bigger than your typical dog) with gruyere cheese served in a pretty big roll and if I'm recalling correctly, it was served with chips. It was pretty yummy, but yes, $19 would be a lot for it. Tue Mar 14 13:28:21 -0800 2006 838736 0 lissy 8 839287 i had the hot dog the other day. it was $14 not $18 (maybe because it was during lunch time). i gotta say, it was REALLY good. good snap to it, served in a nicely toasted fresh baguette that soaked up the oil from the dog beautifully. meaty flavor and topped with melted gruyere. served with cornichons, perfectly salted home made potato chips and a little jar of whole grain mustard. i was very full and couldn't finish the chips. i usually stay away from hot dogs because they always taste like ground up unwanted meat parts (which is kind of what they are). this was more like a bratwurst or a mild sausage. i would think that this is more than a hot dog you get from some guy who drives a hot dog truck around or from a ball game. although, i haven't tried speed's that everyone raves about on this board. i had no problem paying $14 for it. i may even be ok with paying $18 for it because it's of obvious high quality, in a hip part of town, with great service, and i was just as full and satisfied as i would have been if i were having an entree. Sun Mar 19 09:05:15 -0800 2006 838736 0 rebs 6 838757 This thread is sounding like a take on an old "Yogi Berraism." The food stinks, it's too expensive and too crowded...so no one goes there anymore...:) Tue Mar 14 14:16:52 -0800 2006 838721 0 9lives 7 838778 Or the old Woody Allen, "The food's terrible, and such small portions!" :) BK Tue Mar 14 16:23:25 -0800 2006 838757 0 BK 4 838712 That's the b*tch of it - is that people will pay for this. The bistro concept has gone wildly in the wrong direction unfortunately. It's supposed to be quick, simple food and that's it, but there's so many places now that have turned it into just another high-end wallet-gouging establishment with mediocre offerings. Again, I don't know why I'm getting so worked up over this, but I guess that's between me and my psychiatrist. I need to take out my frustration by paying Speed $19 for each hot-dog he sells outside of the Butcher Shop. Take that Butcher Shop, I'm broke! Tue Mar 14 10:44:37 -0800 2006 838698 0 banshee 3 838885 It is a bit expensive, but the entree portions are huge, way to much for me to eat. And considering the things they have, you cant find that assortment of charcuterie in many places at all. Wine list is also amazing and the staff is very approachable about each and every bottle on the list. Wed Mar 15 17:47:23 -0800 2006 838692 0 jamestrais 1 838983 I like the butcher shop, but that price doesnt seem right. Seems like you got the wrong check, unless it was 2 glasses each of wine. Thu Mar 16 13:21:52 -0800 2006 838596 0 tomharris 2 838993 The post says it was 2 glasses each. Thu Mar 16 14:00:16 -0800 2006 838983 0 9lives