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Jun 5, 2002 09:21 AM

North Shore vs. South Shore: Let's Settle it Here!

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I have lived N & S and made some observations. 1stly, the South Shore has more to offer vis-a-vis 'workingclass' chow. Places like Pho Row in Dorchester, La Paloma in Quincy and all the great pubs, family-owned joints and the like make for a great chowhound-y place. I am never at a loss to find a great sub or lunch down that way. Yet, I never ate at a South Shore establishment that really approached chowhound greatness, although I had a few good meals at La Scala in Randolph. Hi-Fi Pizza on Dot Ave is still great too. On the other hand, I'd posit that the North Shore, hands down, has got the better dining, with a strong offering of seafoods, older and newer retauraunts, innovative chefs and menus and overall variety with quality. It would seem that from Newburyport to Gloucester to Salem there are far more and better dining establishments than on the whole of the S. Shore. Just my observations!!!

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  1. Dorchester is the south shore???

    14 Replies
    1. re: Joanie

      Well, it ain't the North shore and its South of Downtown, so lets use a liberal interpretation. I'm sure all the hoity-toities in Hummarock and Deluxbury would just be shocked! to read that!!!!!! Is Brockton the South Shore? Are we discussing food here or the fine points of geography? As I see it, the S. Shore needs Dorchester to up its good food quotient!

      1. re: 1CrispyDude

        Sorry, Dorchester is part of the City of Boston...Many of my friends are too timid to explore it, but there you are!

        1. re: galleygirl

          mmmm Chef Lee's Famous Soul Food in D. has THE BEST fried chicken I have ever had. This coming from a Georgia native's whose parents own and operate a Southern cooking restaurant.

          1. re: Dax

            Where is this place ?

            1. re: ScoobieSnack

              Chef Lee's Famous Soul Food
              1160 Blue Hill Ave.
              Dorchester, MA


              They even cater!

              1. re: galleygirl

                Don't go on Sundays, they seem to close when they want to close. Baked macaroni is excellent, mashed potatoes are passable, collards are pretty good albeit greasy (nothing wrong w/ that), sweet tea is excellent. Haven't tried anything but the chicken, tell me how the Ox Tail is ...

            2. re: Dax

              Dax ---Lee's? -- the best fried chicken you"ve ever had? and your from Georgia? y'all must be putting us fried chicken-deprived Yankees on. Next time y'all head for home, go to Savannah and hit Mrs. Wilkes Boarding house. All you can eat for ten bucks . Chicken,biscuits,beef stew, greens, rice,squash..... Oh, that Mrs. Wilkes would move to Coolidge Corner.

              1. re: Elzoe

                Have you ever been to Chef Lee's? The chicken is THAT good. I have dreams about it. The Lee family is from South Carolina, they learned how to cook right before opening up the place in Dorchester.

                Although I did have to shoot the waitress daggers for suggesting I add lemonaide to my sweet tea.

                And nice attempt on the y'all, but that's reserved for plural usage only, as it means "you all", you being plural.

                1. re: Dax

                  Actually, I spent some time in the south, and y'all is singular much of the time. no kidding-- a lot of southerners say "all y'all" for the plural.

                  1. re: Alan H

                    that is incorrect, that must have been Yankees speaking.

                    you-all (yôl) also y'all (yôl)
                    pron. Chiefly Southern U.S.
                    You. Used in addressing two or more people or referring to two or more people, one of whom is addressed.
                    Regional Note: The single most famous feature of Southern United States dialects is the pronoun y'all, sometimes heard in its variant you-all. You-all functions with perfect grammatical regularity as a second person plural pronoun, taking its own possessive you-all's (or less frequently, your-all's, where both parts of the word are inflected for possession): You-all's voices sound alike. Southerners do not, as is sometimes believed, use you-all or y'all for both singular and plural you. A single person may only be addressed as you-all if the speaker implies in the reference other persons not present: Did you-all [you and others] have dinner yet? You and you-all preserve the singular/plural distinction that English used to have in thou and ye, the subject forms of singular and plural you, respectively (thee and you were the singular and plural object forms). The distinction between singular thou/thee and plural ye/you began to blur as early as the 13th century, when the plural form was often used for the singular in formal contexts or to indicate politeness, much as the French use tu for singular and familiar “you,” and vous for both plural and polite singular “you.” In English, the object form you gradually came to be used in subject position as well, so that the four forms thou, thee, ye, and you collapsed into one form, you. Thou and thee were quite rare in educated speech in the 16th century, and they disappeared completely from standard English in the 18th. However, the distinction between singular and plural you is just as useful as that between other singular and plural pronoun forms, such as I and we. In addition to y'all, other forms for plural you include you-uns, youse, and you guys or youse guys. Youse is common in vernacular varieties in the Northeast, particularly in large cities such as New York and Boston, and is also common in Irish English. You-uns is found in western Pennsylvania and in the Appalachians and probably reflects the Scotch-Irish roots of many European settlers to these regions. You guys and youse guys appear to be newer innovations than the other dialectal forms of plural you. See note at you-uns.

                    1. re: Dax

                      Of course, what was I thinking? Trying to base something on what I actually heard people say on several occassions. I'll never make that mistake again.

                      1. re: Dax

                        "You-uns is found in western Pennsylvania"

                        Not in the areas around Pittsburgh, where the proper phrase is "Yins". As in "Yins goin' to get the car warshed?"

                  2. re: Elzoe

                    Chef Lee's is excellent. Puts a pseudo-Southern spot like Bob the Chef's to shame. You might wait a bit as Chef Lee is cooking your grub fresh and the wait staff could be carbon dated.

                    BTW, my uncle and his friend were asked to leave Mrs. Wilkes back in the late 60s/early 70s because of long hair.

            3. re: Joanie

              I second Joanie! Since when is Dot considered the South Shore?

              Have you forgotten that Hingham, Cohasset, Hull (yeah that place too), and Scituate all have similar seaside suburbanite qualities that your Salem, M-head, Beverly cousins up north.

              There are fine dining establishments on both shores. It appears that your penetration of the "South Shore" is restricted to places on the cusp of the city or just shy of south metro Boston.

              Stop stirring the pot dude.

            4. And how would you categorize the food titans of Route 1 in Saugus and northward?

              1. And how would you categorize the food titans of Route 1 in Saugus and northward?

                1. Here's something to "stir the pot"...historically the Italian immigrants moved north from the North End to Revere, East Boston, Saugus etc. The Irish moved from South Boston south to Roslindale, Quincy and on to Hingham, etc. Now you know why the best food is from Boston north!