122734 Tue Apr 27 07:41:40 -0700 2004 6 8 Midwest 0 667349 I'm visiting Detroit and wondering if Detroit metro or Windsor offers anywhere that brews a good English-style bitter, or any cask-conditioned real ale at all for that matter? Served at 53F & hand pulled. I see plenty of listings for brew-pubs in Free Press Dining guide but did not notice anything that appears to do cellar-temp real ale. I will say have previously visited a place called Dragonmead which was not good at all. Any Brit's in Detroit area might be able to steer me right here perhaps. It's a very specific style of beer I'm hoping to find, not just something brownish, sugary, cloudy, cold and headache-inspiring like most brew-pubs serve. Somewhere that knows its beer and takes its brewing & serving very seriously. (Something like the late-and-very-much-lamented "Sherlock's Home" in the Twin Cities is what I'm looking for.) I have to think there is such a place in such a large area. Any tips gratefully received. Tue Apr 27 07:41:40 -0700 2004 0 bb 1 667368 Hmm... seems I have been down this particular road before . I find it hard to believe that Dragonmead had NOTHING to slake your thirst , as I have found none better in metro Detroit . Perhaps us colonists are just too uncouth for you continentals . I personally liked their bitter and IPA's at last visit . Now , perhaps something has gone dreadfully awry in the last two months , but I doubt it . Maybe you should just abstain while in North America . I know you asked for a recommendation , but perhaps you could just try what we have here , there is LOTS of wonderful beer all around . If not , go home and I will drink your share . I mean , I wouldn't go to England and expect to find an Oberon on tap , you know ? Go with what's around you . Hope you find a decent beer somewhere , we all need one . Wed Apr 28 00:13:24 -0700 2004 667349 0 GoalieJeff 2 667388 Definitely the same road Jeff, I've just never liked cold or lager style beers. I'm not suggesting the US beer industry needs to retool to make only my style of brew. It's just amazing that with so many UK & Irish folks over here that we don't have that choice available really anywhere, not that one place in the 'burbs of one city to serve an entire continent was really adequate either. In any large city like Detroit you would think there would be market enough to support an Olde World English-Style boozer-although they'd have to brew their own real ale of course. Just as there is to support Thai, Turkish, Ukranian, Armenian, Korean, yadi yadi yadah varieties of eateries. If I am passing Dragonmead I may give it a second chance but if the unsanitary stench of spilled beer is as bad as last time . . . yikes! I don't think so. In fact I just remembered how their "cask conditioned stout" tasted (beyond belief bad) & I have jsut talked myself out of it. Any other breweries in area that might try could you recommend? What about Windsor ? Thanks Thu Apr 29 06:32:36 -0700 2004 667368 0 bb 3 667397 hey bb i feel ya. i'd def give windsor a crawl and see what you can find. if that fails go to maumee bay brewing company in downtown toledo. they have some of their own cask conditioned beers, including an ipa. worth a try---and any reason to also go to TONY PACKO'S is another bonus! see a link below. Link: http://www.pubcrawler.com/Template/ReviewWC.cfm/flat/BrewerID=2516 Thu Apr 29 10:35:46 -0700 2004 667388 0 mrnyc 4 667424 Holy Toledo! thanks mrnyc. I had forgotten it was nearby:I might just do that. On this tack, what about Toronto I wonder ? :-) A mere 4 hours for a pint is nothing. Fri Apr 30 05:53:19 -0700 2004 667397 0 bb 1 667425 If you can venture over to Ann Arbor, Arbor Brewing does a cask conditoned beer. It's not my "cup of tea" but my boyfriend loves it! Good Luck on your quest! Fri Apr 30 07:51:01 -0700 2004 667349 0 Yoshi 1 667584 Sad footnote: No c.c. ales were located Cans of Boddingtons were pressed into service. Sun May 09 16:50:01 -0700 2004 667349 0 bb