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Becky Apr 29, 2000 01:43 AM

I would like to challenge all Kansas Citians about their favorite restaurants. I will start with the obvious.. BBQ! I will vote for Arthur Bryants,Italian has to go to Cascones, best hamburgers goes to LC's, best pizza Pizza Shoppe.

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    Terra RE: Becky Apr 30, 2000 08:33 PM

    I would have to disagree with your choices. My favorite BBQ is definitely Smokehouse. My favorite Italian is Garozzo's. My pizza would be Da Bronx and my favorite hamburger joint would be down the street from the pizza place but I can't remember the name of it. It has the best burgers, onion rings and malts in the city (down the street from the Jazz). I'd definitely say one of my favorite restauraunts in the city was Paulo and Bill (out off of I435 and Midland) Their garlic bread is amazing!

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      kaycee RE: Terra May 22, 2000 02:58 PM

      Well, I will agree and disagree with both of you: Arthur Bryants is the best BBQ, Garozzo is the best Italian food. Best hamburgers are at Hayes in NKC. For best onion rings, I vote for Jack's Stack BBQ. But, just about any BBQ in KC is THE BEST!! There are a few not so good, but we hold the title!

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        hapenny_gourmet RE: kaycee Dec 20, 2006 05:20 PM

        Sorry, but I have to stick up for Memphis-style BBQ. KC style is okay, so far as it goes but the best? I'm afraid that's an "eye of the beholder" kind of thing.

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      Don RE: Becky Jul 15, 2000 03:42 PM

      Best BBQ - Bryant's but Oklahoma Joe's is coming up fast.
      Best Italian - Lydia's - no contest here.
      Best Hamburger - Romanelli Grill
      Best Pizza - Pizza Man in Lenexa
      And a new category - Best Mexican - Sol Azteca on Southwest Blvd.

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        clclark2000 RE: Don Dec 14, 2006 09:15 PM

        Sorry D, Romanelli closed last year. It's now The Gaf, which is good in it's own right.

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          theinfonaut RE: Don Dec 15, 2006 05:41 PM

          Yeah! I worked at Pizza Man when I was younger. Not only is the food tasty-super crunchy-mouthwatering-tastic but the owner is a great guy.

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          Jim RE: Becky Jul 27, 2000 11:03 PM

          Okay, here's my opinion:

          BBQ-Bryant's, hands down (I paid $100 to have a bottle shipped to me in Thailand because I missed that familiar taste so much!!)
          Italian-Lydia's or Cascone's. Can't go wrong with either.
          Mexican-Rudy's Tenampa Taqueria. Fish tacos...yummy!
          Pizza-Antonio's. Right next to the Grand Emporium. Big, thick slices for pretty cheap!
          Shakes-Otto's. Best food you can get in a former Auto body shop!

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            Nick RE: Becky Aug 10, 2000 10:11 AM

            Kansas City has been home for almost 5 years.

            BBQ - Any place, I moved from St. Louis, the town that made Lou Maull a millionaire! I'll say Jack Stack in Martin City, Maybe Sneads further down south.

            Italian-It took a long time to find Italian food to even compete with St. Louis' Hill, Garozzo's is okay, but the best is absolutely Carmen's in Brookside, don't let the entrance fool you. Marco Polo's (JAspers) for carry out is also good.

            Hamburger-I'll still take my backyard grill as the winner.

            Pizza-Waldo Pizza in a landslide, sometimes the service has a bit to be desired (like last Sunday), but hey, it's a pizza joint!

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              kcuello RE: Nick Dec 20, 2006 07:08 PM

              the owner of Garozzo's got his start in St. louis Hill. I havent been out there yet (Wifey is pushing for a road trip there in a few months) but be sure you ask the flavors of the chicken spiedini. I had one ther ethe first time that was just a work of art. the next time I had a pesto-based one that was sour and disgusting.

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              John Coney RE: Becky Sep 27, 2000 01:25 AM

              BBQ -- By far ZARDA's in Blue Springs
              Italian -- ZIO's without a dought
              Hamburgers -- Backyard Burgers none better
              Pizza -- none other than Pizza Hut

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                bossy_girl RE: Becky Dec 14, 2006 03:58 PM

                Are you kidding?

                John Coney you need to get OUT of the suburbs and come to Midtown darling. NOT that there is anything WRONG with chain restaurants.

                Pizza - tie Waldo (for St. Louis style) and D'Bronx for New York

                BBQ - Arthur Bryants - oh heaven

                Italian - Carmens dead on... Garozzos is all talk and no action anymore. Italian needs to be kept fresh.

                Burgers - NO contest. I DREAM about these - Fric and Frac. And I am telling you, if you haven't had one, with blue cheese (real blue cheese, not the dressing) bacon and BBQ sauce, then you haven't lived.

                I'll fight on those

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                  clclark2000 RE: bossy_girl Dec 14, 2006 09:13 PM

                  BBQ-still like Gates the best, but don't get me wrong, they are all awesome and I eat them all.

                  Mexican-Love Sol Azteca. Manny's is still pretty good.

                  Italian-Agree with both Carmen's and Lydia's. Both are awesome in their own different ways. I eat at Carmen's once a week and haven't had a bad meal in 2 years.

                  Pizza-Waldo or Minsky's (hard to beat the prime cut!)

                  Burger-Still haven't found what i'm looking for

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                  texascarl RE: Becky Dec 15, 2006 12:32 AM

                  Pizza - Da Bronx, with Minsky's running a close 2nd place
                  BBQ - Oklahoma Joe's (pork and overall), Bryant's (beef)
                  Italian - Lydia's, Cascone's
                  Burger - Max's Auto Diner, Blue Cheese burger -old Streetcar Named Desire
                  Rings - Winsteads
                  Shakes - Otto's, but honorable mention to the Steak and Shake chain.
                  Fries - repeat - Oklahoma Joe's with Bryants 'congeal a meal deal' runner up
                  Chickenshack - the late lamented Strouds

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                    zataar RE: Becky Dec 15, 2006 02:16 AM

                    It's Lidia's, guys. Not Lydia's.

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                      butterfli311 RE: Becky Dec 15, 2006 04:11 PM

                      Pizza - Waldo & Da Bronx w/ Papa Keno's as third
                      BBQ - Gates
                      Italian - Lidia's
                      Burger - Westport Flea Market! Although I actually had a great burger at Fudrucker's last week...who knew?
                      Rings - Nobody beats Sonic's rings
                      Shakes - Foo's if you like custard. Otto's on 39th has been out of business for years...
                      Fries - Harry's Country Club and Bulldog...mmm, skinny fries
                      Mexican - Ponaks for pork burritos, also love Chelly's on 85th & Wornall

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                        reenum RE: Becky Dec 15, 2006 07:57 PM

                        Pizza - Papa Keno's, with Waldo Pizza in 2nd place
                        BBQ - Gates
                        Italian - Johnny Cascone's
                        Burger - Celebrity Cafe in Olathe
                        Rings - Haven't had any good ones here
                        Shakes - Don't drink 'em
                        Fries - Hayward's BBQ's sweet potato fries are to die for.
                        Chickenshack - Don't eat as much now, but KT Fryer's used to be good
                        Mexican - La Mesa (good crab quesadillas and fish tacos are decent)

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                          hapenny_gourmet RE: reenum Dec 20, 2006 05:21 PM

                          Who do you favor for steaks?

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                            reenum RE: hapenny_gourmet Dec 21, 2006 02:49 PM

                            I've never had a taste for steaks. It's too much meat for me, and often not as flavorful as I'd like. That's just me, though.

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                              bossy_girl RE: hapenny_gourmet Dec 24, 2006 11:47 AM

                              I have to say... the Capital Grille really is the bomb for steaks. And the have stellar calamari.

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                            chileheadmike RE: Becky Dec 15, 2006 10:01 PM

                            BBQ -- Mine of course, LC's is a close second
                            Fries -- Gates
                            Italian -- Jasper's
                            Mexican -- JoCo = Cucina del Puerco
                            'Dotte = Laura's
                            Pizza -- Not a fan of the thin crust so its Minskey's
                            Burger -- Westport Flea Market

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                              langburns RE: Becky Dec 15, 2006 10:05 PM

                              BBQ-Bryant no question
                              pizza-Da Bronx but i like Waldo too
                              fried chicken-Stroud's is classic (sad they lost the Troost location) but Peachtree is really good
                              Italian-Carmen's but Il Centro is probably my favorite resturant in town
                              Burger-try the Lew burger at Lew's in Waldo
                              Shakes-Otto's was the best but it is no longer there...Winsted's for burgers, fries, rings, and shakes
                              Chinese-Princess Garden on Wornall
                              Thai-Thai Place...they have a few location's now
                              Greek-Tasso's and it is fun

                              anything on 39th

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                                KCJ RE: langburns Dec 17, 2006 02:48 AM

                                >> Shakes-Otto's was the best but it is no longer

                                Rudy Ross who owns Fric & Frac on 39th Street is supposedly going to put in an ice cream/malt shop in the building across Genessee from Fric & Frac. The fellow who owns the woodworking shop there is retiring as his brother/former business partner did several years ago.

                                The parking lot behind that woodworking building is just too valuable to Fric & Frac so Rudy wanted to have control of it rather than just renting space there.

                                Or so I've heard . . .

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                                clclark2000 RE: Becky Dec 16, 2006 03:26 PM

                                I have not had Papa Keno's before, but I heard there is one going up in the neighborhood at Gregory and Rockhill. What's the story with this franchise? Good stuff? What's the differences b/w PK and a place like Minsky's Good/Bad?

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                                  Katie Nell RE: clclark2000 Dec 20, 2006 05:24 PM

                                  I like it, although the Lawrence location and the OP location could use some deep cleaning! The toppings are not as run of the mill as Minsky's, I don't think, but I don't like Minsky's. The crust is cripy and thin. The slices are huge- you will only need one!

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                                    reenum RE: Katie Nell Dec 21, 2006 02:52 PM

                                    Minsky's is way too cheesy for me. The cheese overwhelms the toppings, in my opinion.

                                    Keno's is the best in the area. They have the thin crusts, which ensures you don't feel bloated after eating, and the breadsticks there are awesome. The best deal is the $6.99 two topping slice special, with which you get breadsticks or salad, and a drink.

                                    I like the dirty ambience. It adds charm to the place. If I wanted a totally sterile eating environment, I'd go to one of the big box eateries.

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                                      Katie Nell RE: reenum Dec 22, 2006 12:25 AM

                                      You didn't really have to go there though, did you? That wasn't really my point- I'm sure some of the "big box eateries" can be just as dirty!

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                                  mpollmann RE: Becky Dec 16, 2006 05:47 PM

                                  BBQ-Oklahoma Joe's is the winner for now (haven't been to a lot of places yet)

                                  burger-if i can't grill it, i'll take westport flea market over anything

                                  italian - cupini's

                                  pizza-pizza 51

                                  shakes/ice cream - murray's, in westport

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                                    kcuello RE: Becky Dec 20, 2006 06:59 PM

                                    Best Indian: Swagat

                                    Best Thai: Thai Place

                                    Best Sushi: Kato

                                    Best BBQ: Oaklahoma Joe's / JackStack (Tie)

                                    Best Pizza: Minsky's

                                    Best Arabic/Greek: Holyland Cafe/Jerusalem Cafe (tie)

                                    Best Italian: Garrozzo's

                                    Best Mexican: TacoNazo

                                    Best Chinese Rice: Steam Bowl (Chinese food in Kc sucks period. BoLings, Dragon Inn, ALL of it sucks. Steam Bowl has a good combination Fried Rice

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                                      kcuello RE: kcuello Dec 20, 2006 07:12 PM

                                      One more:

                                      Best Vietnamese: Vietnam Cafe

                                      On Authur Bryant, their sauce is vinegar based and is disgusting. None of their sauces appeal to me. I bought a bottle of cowtown BBQ sauce (Oklahoma Joe's brand as they market it) and it was delicious. Bryants can be hit and miss, some days the cut is so beautiful and you get a good 95% brisket sandwhich, and on some other days it can be a 40% fat 60% meat sandwich which is disgusting.

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                                      kcuello RE: Becky Dec 20, 2006 07:17 PM

                                      Oh, and if you havent eaten at TacoNazo in KCK, then you hav been deceived for years. It is HANDS DOWN the best Mexican. Hence, thats why Mexicans from all over drive there. The only thing close to it is Taqueria Mexico on Independence Ave (The other Taqueria Mexico's are not as good as the one on Independence Ave)

                                      On Cajun, being a transplanted Cajun in KC, i can honestly say all of the Cajun/Creole resturants in Kansas City (Jazz being the worst) are absolutely HORRIBLE. Jazz could not make a bowl of gumbo if their life depended on it. Their Red Beans also taste highly strange. The only thing close to REAL down south Louisiana cooking used to be a place in Westport called LaCroix Creole Bistro. Unfortunately due to their horrible location,(on Pensylvania ave and hidden behind a parking lot) it appears they are out of business (Unless any of you know about them moving?)

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                                        KCJ RE: Becky Dec 20, 2006 08:57 PM

                                        Seems to me I read that LaCroix Creole Bistro closed because one of the owners (a couple) went into military service or some such. Definitely got the impression they weren't going to be a force in the community for at least the foreseeable future with a very sound reason that didn't include lack of business.

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                                          kcuello RE: Becky Dec 21, 2006 01:29 PM

                                          That's pretty sad. I know they are good people and Gloria;s homeade parlines were the BEST I had ever had outside of Louisiana (including Texas) I surely hope they get to re-open it again.

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                                            ExpatChef RE: Becky Dec 21, 2006 02:04 PM

                                            Barbecue: Jack's Stack, always
                                            Italian: Lidia's
                                            Thai: Thai Place
                                            Sushi: Kaiyo (chef and hot item cook from Sushi house left to make their own place)
                                            French: La Fou Frog
                                            French Bakery: Artisan Francais
                                            Ice Cream: Murray's

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                                              reenum RE: Becky Dec 21, 2006 02:54 PM

                                              Let me add Best Thai to my list:

                                              Thai Treasure on 151st & Highway 69 in southern Overland Park. The food has a bit more kick than Thai Place, and the ambience is just as good.

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                                                clclark2000 RE: Becky Dec 21, 2006 02:55 PM

                                                Anyone have thoughts on City Tavern? I have eaten there, but it has been over 2 years, and really haven't heard much about it. We are going tomorrow night, so if it's went downhill please let me know so I can make alternate arrangements!

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                                                  sallyport RE: clclark2000 Dec 21, 2006 03:35 PM

                                                  If you had a backup plan now would be the time to exercise it.

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                                                    clclark2000 RE: sallyport Dec 22, 2006 01:39 PM

                                                    Well thanks, but I think i'm going to need a little more information.

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                                                  smuinkc RE: Becky Jan 10, 2007 09:01 PM

                                                  Best Mexican: Kokopelli
                                                  Best fast Mexican: Don Chilitos
                                                  Best BBQ: Gates
                                                  Best Japanese Steakhouse: Gojo
                                                  Best Chinese sit-down: Bo Ling's
                                                  Best fast Chinese: Panda Express
                                                  Best Chinese buffet: I don't recall the name, but it's at Blue Ridge Blvd. just north of Bannister
                                                  Best Pizza (in this order): Imo's, Fun House (the original on 40 Highway), Waldo, D'Bronx & Pizza Shoppe
                                                  Best Burger: Westport Flea Market or Twin City Tavern

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                                                    KCNative RE: Becky Jan 13, 2007 11:00 PM

                                                    I like your style Chileheadmike!

                                                    BBQ--LCs (beans, pulled pork, turkey), Okey Joe's (gumbo, fries, loose meats, sauce {Night of the Living} and burnt ends) Jack Stack (ribs and cheesy corn bake), Big T's (beef), BBs Lawnside (ambiance on band night, Big Bertha onion rings and sausage), KC Masterpiece (onion strings)

                                                    Italian--Jasper's hand's down. Pricey, but real yummers

                                                    Mexican--Jalepeno's (check out the chubby) and Manny's for the Monteray Jack Burrito

                                                    Pizza--Marco Polo's (Around the Boot) and don't get it sliced beforehand...that's for amateur's and we are not ameteur's! Check out Antonio's on Main for your "late night double slice"

                                                    Burger--Hi Boy...don't be fooled. But if your high falutin, check out Grandfalloon

                                                    Chinese--MaMa's in Raytown (ask for the "off the menu" spicy pork)


                                                    Malt's and Shakes--Clinton's

                                                    Fried Goodness aka American--Stroud's

                                                    Red, Beans & Rice--Popeye's

                                                    Seafood--McCormick and Schmick's

                                                    Steak--Get real! From KC, we are trained from a young age how to buy and cook a steak. You don't buy that out?!

                                                    Serious Sandwich--D'Bronx and The Peanut for a good BLT

                                                    Sushi--Kokoro (cut me some slack, I AM from KC)

                                                    Coffee--ha! My breakfast most mornings...Dunn's, Skooters and Muddy's. They all serve different geographic needs

                                                    Soul--Peach Tree. Good times, great food


                                                    Breakfast--Georgie Porgie's (before the move, cannot comment on their new situations)

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                                                      zataar RE: KCNative Jan 13, 2007 11:13 PM

                                                      I guess we are a diverse chow crowd as I disagree with most of your choices! Kiki's has been closed for years, unless they re-opened somewhere and no one knows about it. Jalepeno's for Mexican!?, Lulu's for Thai!? KC Masterpiece....Yikes! On the other hand...Peach Tree..oh yeah.
                                                      Hi-Boy - ditto.

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                                                        KCJ RE: zataar Jan 14, 2007 01:10 AM

                                                        The owner of Lulu's (on SW Blvd east of Broadway) is Swiss-Thai.

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                                                        KCJ RE: KCNative Jan 14, 2007 01:11 AM

                                                        Cheap-Eat-Deals - Fric & Frac, 39th & Genessee

                                                        Happy Hour 1/2 Price Appetizers weeknights

                                                        2-for-1 or other discounted specials every night

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                                                          KCJ RE: KCNative Jan 14, 2007 01:14 AM

                                                          I like the walnut chicken at MaMa's on Raytown Road in Raytown.

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                                                          ExpatChef RE: Becky Jan 16, 2007 04:18 PM

                                                          Mexican: Tienda Casa Paloma in OP, Mexico Taqueria SW Blvd.
                                                          Italian: Lidia's, Cupini's, Jake's Place in Bella Napoli
                                                          French: La Fou Frog
                                                          Steak: Agreed. Best is a rare filet, cooked at home with a port wine reduction sauce and blue cheese. Does not get any better out. Plus, if you eat it in, you can afford better wine.
                                                          Barbecue: Got to go with the "Stack"
                                                          Comfort: Succotash, Potpie
                                                          Chinese: Blue Koi on 39th
                                                          Indian: Taste of Asia, Ruichi
                                                          Thai: Thai Place
                                                          Vietnamese: Vietnam in Columbus Park
                                                          Burgers: I quit eating beef out after reading Omnivore's Dilemma. Except for the bison burger at Bluebird.
                                                          Bread and Pastry: Artisan Francais — paradise.

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                                                            KCJ RE: Becky Jan 16, 2007 04:30 PM

                                                            Ahhhh...bread! Fervere, hands down for me! 17th and Summit. Only open limited hours Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays. Call in advance to check to see if they're open. But soooo worth the limitations!

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                                                              kwdeb RE: Becky Mar 17, 2010 07:44 AM


                                                              For a sandwich? OK Joe's (Bryant's close second, LC's third)
                                                              All around-bring your parents to a KC-BBQ place who are in town visiting? Jack Stack (nobody does better burnt ends, beans or sides)


                                                              NY style: Original's on Antioch (They know)
                                                              Midwest-doughy-too many toppings-style: Waldo's or Minsky's
                                                              Chicago style: Uno's


                                                              None found. Go to St. Louis for the closest thing.


                                                              Authentic? Jen Jen off of Metcalf
                                                              American style? Bo Lings


                                                              Paradise India (off of 135th)

                                                              Soul food:

                                                              Peach Tree

                                                              **Tip. Never take a recommendation from anyone who says things like "because the service was good" or "I liked the owner".

                                                              By the way, Pizza Shoppe? Your serious... Pizza Shoppe? I kept waiting for the punchline but none came. I bit into that once and for the first time in my adult life considered returning a pizza based on principle. If your going to sell a product like that, at least be honest and package it up in plastic and put it next to the other pizzas at Price Chopper's freezer section.

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                                                                GDPhalp RE: Becky Mar 31, 2010 02:27 PM

                                                                Best BBQ - Oklahoma Joe's
                                                                Best Pizza - Leo's
                                                                Best Biscuits & Gravy - Corner Cafe
                                                                Best Fried Chicken - Strouds
                                                                Best Italian - Lidias
                                                                Best Hamburgers - Westport Flea Market
                                                                Best Tex-Mex - Rancho Grande Cantina
                                                                Best Mexican - Taqueria Mexico
                                                                Best Fine Dining - Justus Drugstore
                                                                Best Americanized Chinese - China Wok
                                                                Best Misc. Asian - Malay Cafe
                                                                Best Indian - Swagat
                                                                Best Mongolian BBQ - Genghis Khan
                                                                Best Mediterranean - Cafe Jaffa
                                                                Best French - Cafe de Amis
                                                                Best Sushi - Kato
                                                                Best Seafood - Savoy Grill
                                                                Best Sandwich - Cupini's

                                                                1809 Westport Rd, Kansas City, MO 64111

                                                                Westport Flea Market
                                                                817 Westport Rd, Kansas City, MO 64111

                                                                Savoy Grill
                                                                219 W 9th St, Kansas City, MO 64105

                                                                Rancho Grande Cantina
                                                                921 W Liberty Dr, Liberty, MO 64068

                                                                Taqueria Mexico
                                                                501 S Washington St, Lexington, NE 68850

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                                                                  KansasTravel RE: GDPhalp Apr 1, 2010 06:33 AM

                                                                  I am another fan of Genghis Khan, particularly the orignal 39th & Bell location. I'm surprised it isn't talked about more.

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                                                                    jhojati RE: KansasTravel Apr 1, 2010 07:19 AM

                                                                    It is definitely better than bd's, which is quite bad if you ask me. However, I'm still much more a fan of HuHot Mongolian Grill, which I don't think is in the Kansas City area. That place is addictive!

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                                                                      KansasTravel RE: jhojati Apr 1, 2010 07:33 AM

                                                                      There was a HuHot in Olathe for about a year, but it did not last.

                                                                      Which BD's have you been to? I think the one in Overland Park/Lenexa is fair - better than the ones that are part of Chinese buffets. But the one time I went to the Blue Springs BD's, I thought it was terrible.

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                                                                        jhojati RE: KansasTravel Apr 1, 2010 12:50 PM

                                                                        I went to the BD's on near Oak Park Mall - just didn't like that there was no definite concept and the employees were slightly annoying. The food really was pretty bad.

                                                                        I'm surprised the HuHot didn't last - the several I've been to in Iowa are always slammed - even at 3pm on a weekday. I liked Genghis Khan, but I was missing something when I was there. I'd certainly return, though. They have much better meat than HuHot does, but I just prefer the sauces/oils at HuHot I think.

                                                                        Most of the buffet "mongolian grills" are pretty bad IMO.

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                                                                      asiansensation007 RE: KansasTravel Apr 4, 2010 08:46 PM

                                                                      I used to work as a hostess at GK so I've eaten almost everything on the menu. The food is what you make it (be eing a build your own set-up) but I must say it IS heads above BD's. The only thing I like about BD's is the lamb and duck options. And they don't charge extra for scallops and shrimp. But the garlic chicken wings (included in the buffet) at GK are amazing. And the egg rolls/crab rangoon/skewered meats are a nice added touch. The egg drop soup is crazy good too...just eggy, rich goodness. If you ever go to GK, the secret is the hot pots. Those are delicious. Try the basil chicken or the seafood. They are a hidden gem on the menu.

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                                                                        jhojati RE: asiansensation007 Apr 5, 2010 11:55 AM

                                                                        Thanks for the tips. I went when they first opened at P&L, and I think I missed a lot of what you mentioned...no idea about the wings.

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                                                                          asiansensation007 RE: jhojati Apr 5, 2010 12:31 PM

                                                                          No, dont get confused...Geghis Grill in P&L is NOT the same as Ghengis Khan Mongolian BBQ. The former is a chain. The latter is not. Ive never been to the P&L

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                                                                            jhojati RE: asiansensation007 Apr 5, 2010 12:53 PM

                                                                            Well again, thank you. No wonder I was confused by the comments! I wasn't particularly fond of Genghis Grill in P&L (or anything else in the P&L, for that matter, aside from 801 or Bristol). Now I'm really going to have to check this place out.

                                                                    3. re: GDPhalp
                                                                      jhojati RE: GDPhalp Apr 12, 2010 10:49 AM

                                                                      I finally made it to Kato, a place that has been on my list ever since I moved to Kansas City. I was very underwhelmed. We ordered several items, with nigiri of scallop, conch, yellowtail, red snapper, halibut, tuna, and salmon, as well as spicy tuna, spicy salmon, and California rolls. I believe we also got a Dynamite roll as a "cooked" option. The nigiri were messy - fish that looked like it was cut with a hacksaw laid atop a very ill-formed ball of dry rice. The tuna actually looked like the tuna that is half the price of sushi-grade Ahi. The rolls were all rice, although I did like the heat of the rolls, there just wasn't much fish. This was true of the Dynamite roll as well.

                                                                      Service was good, and if the sushi bar wasn't full, I would have sat there as the sushi chefs seemed to interact with patrons pretty well. Miso soup was standard and the salad was boring. Crab rangoon were great, with a good flavor of scallion throughout.

                                                                      Was this just an off day? Everybody seems to think this is THE spot for sushi in Kansas City, but I must say that the sushi I had at RA in Leawood was better than this, and that's not really saying a whole heck of a lot.

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                                                                        amyzan RE: jhojati Apr 13, 2010 01:41 PM

                                                                        That's unusual for Kaito, IME. I've never had anything but fresh, moist, well seasoned rice there, and the fish has been well prepared, though certainly the quality is not on par with what I've had on the west coast. I've not had a maki that was rice heavy, either. I wouldn't say their maki is chock full of fish, but they strike a nice balance. Honestly, I usually only have a few pieces of nigiri while in Kansas because forays to San Diego have left me spoiled for raw fish. I've just come to the conclusion it's best left for the coasts.

                                                                        Do you mind if I ask what day of the week you were there, and whether you saw David behind the bar? I'm curious, as I know he started a sushi bar for one of the groceries. I wonder if he was there that day, perhaps, and his sushi chefs aren't maintaining his quality standards? Just a guess.

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                                                                          jhojati RE: amyzan Apr 13, 2010 02:39 PM

                                                                          I went on a Friday night, thinking that for a first time that would be the time to go. I was just really disappointed after hearing all of the good things people had said about it. And don't give up on the midwest, the best sushi I've eaten, west or east coast (although I haven't eaten at the uber-expensive coastal joints) is at Miyabi 9 in Des Moines. I believe I read somewhere that Miyabi (first name Mike) studied with Nobu.

                                                                          That said, I had a great omakase in Los Angeles, even the day after Thanksgiving. I was not happy, however, eating monkfish liver and being watched by the sushi chefs - one of the most putrid things I've ever eaten, and I had to force it down with a gulp of water.

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                                                                            amyzan RE: jhojati Apr 13, 2010 03:54 PM

                                                                            LOL My brother loves ankimo, and I don't even like the smell. He always gets it when we go out for sushi in San Diego or Orange county. bleh Do you recall the name of the place in Los Angeles? We haven't made it up there for sushi yet, but don't want to spend Urasawa or Zo prices quite. Well, not unless we come into money!

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                                                                              jhojati RE: amyzan Apr 13, 2010 07:17 PM

                                                                              Really wanted to do Urasawa, but as you said, won't justify it until I'm making a quarter mil. We actually went to a place in Woodland Hills that is nondescript called Brothers Sushi. Kind of a hole in the wall, but the fish was awesome, and I love that the sushi chef would tell us exactly what to do with each piece (add lemon, no soy sauce, eat with onion, etc.). We spent $120 for the two of us for lunch, and I thought it was outstanding, ankimo notwithstanding...

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                                                                                amyzan RE: jhojati Apr 14, 2010 09:41 PM

                                                                                Fairly far north for us, but will definitely file them away if we head up Malibu way. Thanks!

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                                                                      Parrotgal RE: Becky Apr 1, 2010 02:36 PM

                                                                      Barbeque-Gates for the meat, Jack Stack for everything else. The sides, oh, the heavenly sides! And what I don't get at all is why anyone likes Arthur Bryant!

                                                                      Chinese-Genghis Khan (the one in Lenexa) and Bo Ling. There's also a cheesily-named China Wok in the northland that is quite good.

                                                                      Indian - Swagat. Even when it was that little hole in the wall across from where Zona Rosa was, it was heavenly. I've converted many people!

                                                                      Still trying out Mexican restaurants. I actually did like Manny's.

                                                                      I don't get out as much as I should.

                                                                      Zona Rosa
                                                                      8640 N Dixson Ave, Kansas City, MO 64153

                                                                      Bo Lings
                                                                      9574 Quivira Rd, Lenexa, KS 66215

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                                                                        KansasTravel RE: Parrotgal Apr 2, 2010 05:34 AM

                                                                        Genghis Khan in Lenexa has been gone for a few years. That is the space that Cafe Augusta occupies.

                                                                        Cafe Augusta
                                                                        12122 W 87th Street Pkwy, Overland Park, KS 66215

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                                                                          Parrotgal RE: KansasTravel Apr 5, 2010 11:07 AM

                                                                          My bad. I live in the northland now so never get down there. It sure was good though!

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                                                                            sara722003 RE: Parrotgal Apr 17, 2010 06:13 PM


                                                                            I LOVED Genghis Khan and miss it to this day. While Cafe Augusta is fine, it lacks the interesting and varied cuisine I could have at GK, including duck on their buffet on the weekends (unheard of, really.....but it was a true treasure.)

                                                                            Cafe Augusta
                                                                            12122 W 87th Street Pkwy, Overland Park, KS 66215

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                                                                              KansasTravel RE: sara722003 Apr 19, 2010 06:38 AM

                                                                              I keep trying Cafe Augusta every few months. I want to really like that place, but they keep making miscues and I haven't had a really good experience there.

                                                                              Cafe Augusta
                                                                              12122 W 87th Street Pkwy, Overland Park, KS 66215

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                                                                          jhojati RE: Parrotgal Apr 2, 2010 06:45 AM

                                                                          Try some of the Mexican restaurants on the Kansas side like El Camino Real and Taconazo. Not Americanized in any way, but the al pastor at El Camino Real is awesome. For more Americanized Mexican food, I like Los Tules on Broadway, although you can find some pretty authentic items there as well.

                                                                        3. ulterior epicure RE: Becky Apr 22, 2010 08:53 PM

                                                                          Barbecue: Overall, Oklahoma Joe's, though Wabash runs a mean second.
                                                                          Italian: Lidia's
                                                                          Hamburgers: Town Topic or bluestem, very different.
                                                                          Pizza: pizza bella or Pizza Shoppe, very different

                                                                          Town Topic
                                                                          2013 Broadway St, Kansas City, MO 64108

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                                                                            BChow RE: ulterior epicure Apr 23, 2010 06:13 AM

                                                                            Please tell us more about Wabash BBQ, I haven't heard of it.

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                                                                              ulterior epicure RE: BChow Apr 23, 2010 07:10 AM

                                                                              It's in Excelsior Springs, Missouri. A bit of a hike, but the baby back ribs there are great, not so much the burnt ends. Coleslaw is on the creamier side, baked beans on the sweeter side. They have lots of fried food to boot. There are two sides to the restaurant - non-smoking (brighter, cleaner, more family-friendly, fewer tables, always packed) and the smoking side (darker, dingier, seats more, more crowded, always packed). Attached to the smoking room is the bar (also darker, with a tee vee behind the bar, neon-lit, high ceilings with very effective ceiling fans for smoke ventilation, high-tops). I believe there's an outdoor patio for weather-friendly days. Their "Piggy Back" plate is big enough to feed two, three, even. Did I mention their ribs are great? So is their brisket. Pulled pork is not bad, but Oklahoma Joe's is much, much better. The sauce here is sweet, with a touch of heat. Skip the fries.

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                                                                            benfad14 RE: Becky Apr 24, 2010 07:21 PM

                                                                            BBQ: Oklahoma Joe's. Just ask Anthony Bourdain. If it is "one of 13 places to eat before you die", it is KC's finest. Bryants and Gates are for tourists. Jack Stack is great if you're only eating dessert - outstanding bread pudding... Jack's meat? 99% fat and grizzle.

                                                                            Pizza: Waldo Pizza. Hands down. We like the BBQ chicken on honey wheat crust. Big fans of the fresh cilantro.

                                                                            Italian: Il Centro. If I could make tomato cream sauce like that myself, I'd stay home forever. If Lidia's is serving house made pear and gorgonzola ravioli on the trio, it is a MUST. We call ahead to check.

                                                                            Burger: 5 Guys. I know, it's a chain, blah blah. It's awesome. Fresh jalapenos make it for me. West Port Flea Market is also great - they've got trivia on Wednesday nights for $$.

                                                                            Steak: If it's not off my grill, and someone wants to buy it for me, the brandy cream pepper corn fillet at Piropos is the best in KC. Not for the faint of heart. It's about as rich as it gets - but it melts in your mouth. They also have fantastic hand made empanadas. This is a great place to celebrate something special. Sunday is half price wine night.

                                                                            BEST NIGHT OUT IN KC: If I could only do one location, it would be a glass (or 3) of wine at Blue Stem wine bar in Westport - before 7 the truffle fries are half off... with a house made flight of sauces. After the fries and some drinks, walk next door to Pot Pie. Outstanding scallops, goat cheese salad, pan roasted chicken or, of course, house made pot pie. Call for a reservation. It's a tiny place and it is packed.

                                                                            Waldo Pizza
                                                                            1543 NE Douglas St, Lees Summit, MO 64086

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                                                                              lgss RE: Becky Apr 25, 2010 05:13 PM

                                                                              Ok, I'm not a Kansas Citian, grew up about 80 miles east of "the City" as we called it and have lived many other places since. Best Vegetarian? Eden Alley!

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                                                                                dowlf RE: Becky Dec 30, 2010 06:08 PM

                                                                                I lived in KC for over 10 years as a vegetarian, rarely eating out. I now enjoy eating carcasses once again. My favorite BBQ is Bryants. I only eat the brisket. It is brisket of the Gods. I have tried many other BBQ joints around town but Bryants brisket prevails for me. I haven't eaten italian, hamburgers, or pizza in KC. I enjoy the lunch buffet at Korma Sutra in Overland Park and many dishes at Hien Vuong in the city market.

                                                                                Hien Vuong Restaurant
                                                                                417 Main St, Kansas City, MO 64105

                                                                                Korma Sutra
                                                                                7217 W 110th St, Overland Park, KS 66210

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                                                                                  powillie RE: dowlf Jan 1, 2011 07:56 PM

                                                                                  Kansas City is a really good food town except in one particular area,. Kansas City does not have any good pizza. Grinder's is pretty good, but too artsy. KC has a strong Italian immigrant history, why does our pizza suck?

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                                                                                    amyzan RE: powillie Jan 3, 2011 12:20 PM

                                                                                    If you're looking for NYC style pizza, yes. But, there is a decent approximation of Neapolitan style pies at a couple places, Pizza Bella being my favorite. I'd say the problem is that no one makes consistently delicious pies and gets all the details right. But, the pizza doesn't suck, exactly. Again, unless you're looking for NYC style slices and pies. I'm no judge of that style.

                                                                                    Pizza Bella
                                                                                    1810 Baltimore Ave, Kansas City, MO 64108

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                                                                                      powillie RE: amyzan Jan 8, 2011 05:39 PM

                                                                                      I am not trying to offend, but this seems like a lukewarm endorsement.

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                                                                                        amyzan RE: powillie Jan 10, 2011 04:44 PM

                                                                                        Because I didn't rave like a maniac?!? I guess I'm just not an extreme person, powillie. But, you can trust my reviews to try for balance and impartiality. KC is no NYC or LA when it comes to food. I moderate my expectations accordingly when eating out, but I'll hold my ground--the pizza doesn't suck.

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                                                                                          powillie RE: amyzan Jan 10, 2011 07:22 PM

                                                                                          Again I did not intend to offend, however, since it seems that I did, I apologise.

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                                                                                            amyzan RE: powillie Jan 10, 2011 08:55 PM

                                                                                            No problem. I'm curious if you've eaten at Pizza Bella?

                                                                                            Pizza Bella
                                                                                            1810 Baltimore Ave, Kansas City, MO 64108

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                                                                                              powillie RE: amyzan Jan 10, 2011 09:18 PM

                                                                                              Actually, I haven't. I am baseing my opinion on my limited experiences. However, I do believe that Kansas City can match up with NYC, LA,, Chicago, or Austin, we just need to realise it. Every city has it's differences. LA has really good seafood, but I have had some expensive Mexican meals from award winning restaurants that weren't worth finishing. Do not underestimate our hometown.

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                                                                                                amyzan RE: powillie Jan 10, 2011 09:23 PM

                                                                                                Oh, sure! I just meant in terms of the variety of really great food. You can get almost anything here, but it's not always somebody doing it really well. I can only think of a few kinds of foods I can't get in LA done pretty darned well. But, yeah, there are limitations everywhere and anywhere, and there is plenty of delicious food to eat here.

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                                                                                  Earthtokarmen RE: Becky Jan 15, 2011 01:32 PM

                                                                                  mmmm this makes me wish i was back in Kansas City and not stuck in San Antonio... except for the weather situation. But I digress...
                                                                                  I DEFINITELY say that Arthur Bryants wins BBQ and u gotta get burnt ends cause burnt ends are done right in KC
                                                                                  Fries- I love the fries at Bates City BBQ
                                                                                  D'Bronx is TOTALLLY the best Pizza
                                                                                  Best Italian is Lidias
                                                                                  Burgers have to be the ones my boyfriend makes so I can't ever get into burgers at restaurants

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