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gourmet guy Sep 25, 1999 07:26 PM

I'm about to find myself in Cleveland for a very short
spell. I've dined at Lola's there, which is real great,
but not too different from something you'd find in SoHo.
Any suggestions for a moderately priced, local
experience? (Pickerel sushi?!?)

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    Heidi RE: gourmet guy Sep 26, 1999 08:48 AM

    I have recently posted some selections for Cleveland along with others if you check the search, I can help you along more if you can be more specific.

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      Jim Leff RE: Heidi Sep 26, 1999 12:36 PM

      shouldn't have to do TOO much surfing now that we have this dedicated Midwestern board!

      But hopefully you'll get more tips, too. I've never been to Cleveland, personally. But I bet I'd like it...I like the Midwest. Good home fries, muffins, shakes (all the stuff so hard to find good in NY!) and often good Vietnamese food.

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        Heidi RE: Jim Leff Sep 26, 1999 12:59 PM

        You mean YOU know where to find a decent muffin in Cleveland besides chez moi? It's a big deception, you know, they look amazing and then the first anticipated bite...and into the trash it goes, not worth the calories. Let me in on the big secret. And yes, there are one or two Vietnamese digs lurking quietly around. The best shakes have always been at Tommy's on Coventry in Cleveland Heights.

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          Jim Leff RE: Heidi Sep 26, 1999 01:12 PM

          Heidi--again, I've never been to Cleveland. Was talking about the Midwest in general and how much I like it. Iowa City is a chowhound paradise.

          JIM

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            Heidi RE: Jim Leff Sep 26, 1999 05:18 PM

            I don't know what the "again" was for in your reply. I didn't realize you had never been to Cleveland especially since you kind of gave it a reverse-dis in referring to Zaragoza as the "Cleveland" of Spain,as in no one would ever send you there, but you loved it.

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              Jim Leff RE: Heidi Sep 26, 1999 05:25 PM

              Heidi, I did mention in the message you were replying to that I'd never been there.

              And I don't need to have been there to realize it's not the biggest tourist destination in the world (like Zaragoza--one of my favorite cities in the world). That's not a diss, it's a fact. And it's also a fact that I'd probably love Cleveland. Great jazz scene, great orchestra and museums, nice laid-back people...not sure about the food, though, as I said, I tend to really enjoy Midwestern eats.

              Sorry for any misunderstanding!

              Ciao

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                Heidi RE: Jim Leff Sep 26, 1999 08:25 PM

                Oops! In my haste I skimmed over the fact you had mentioned never visiting Cleve...got excited by the fries, shakes, muffins, etc. Sorry for any implied crankiness...we all just get kinda tired being the dumpees of the States and I am rather surprised your musical forays have never brought you here...if we're not known for our chow, we definitely have a great reputation on the music scene.

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                  Dave Feldman RE: Heidi Sep 27, 1999 02:59 AM

                  When I lived in Ohio (and in the western part, at that), Ohians bristled at being classified as Midwestern. What sayeth you?

                  DF

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                    Heidi RE: Dave Feldman Sep 27, 1999 06:35 AM

                    Well, I think one needs to pick and choose their battles and being designated as "Midwestern' doesn't seem to bother me,in my mind it connotates more of a geographical locale(and I don't think Ohio is exactly Midwest), than a sterotype, am I being naive?
                    Anyway, it sure beats "mistake on the lake". Where did you live in Ohio?

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                      Heidi RE: Heidi Sep 27, 1999 02:29 PM

                      I'm feeling a bit sheepish. After half-heartedly defending my cities' reputation, I spotted something today that makes me want to draw the curtains and remain inside lest someone peg me a "Clevelander". You see, I keep hoping we're forging ahead, making strides on the culinary scene - I don't mean strictly fine-dining, although that would be great, but in the Chowhoundy sense - people appreciating really good foods from all around the globe, especially since Cleveland has a fair share of representation from just about everywhere. I'm straying. Anyway, I picked up what looked to be an extra-huge issue of a local entertainment mag, The Scene. It is titled The Best of Cleveland 1999. These "Best" selections are represented in two categories, critics and reader votes. I was particularly interested in the food and wine dept. lest some culinary delight had passed me by. What I mostly found was a plethora of items from what I consider the bottom of the barrel -Chain Restaurants. Example:(critics) Best Ribs - Tony Roma's!!!? C'mon now, this from a city who prides itself on mega rib-burnoffs every summer? Best Margarita:(readers) Chi Chi's!! Can you say Le-mixy disenfectant? Best steakhouse:(readers) The Outback?? Best Pizza:(readers)A tie between Pizza Hut and Papa Johns? I JUST DON"T GET IT!!!. Fortunately I found a few redeeming critics' mentions from quality Independents:Best Ice Cream Treats: Honey Hut Ice Cream Shops, Best Hummos: Nate's Deli, Best Place to Take Out-Of-Towners: West Side Market, Best Power Lunch: Moxie, Best Place to Feel Fabulously Hip: Lola Bistro and Wine Bar, Best Local Brew: Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold,Best Pizza: Mama Santa, Best Korean: Arirang Garden, and you-gotta-love-this-category - Best Source for an Elephant Ear When it's Not Fair Season: Christopher's place. Maybe there is still hope.

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                        MU RE: Heidi Sep 27, 1999 02:38 PM

                        Even in NYC, the readers' polls tend to be disappointing -- McD's for best fries, etc. Don't fret. It's not just Cleveland.

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                          Jim Leff RE: Heidi Sep 27, 1999 02:41 PM

                          Fret not. Happens in almost all cities when readers are polled. It's better not to poll them.

                          Don't read that junk. Better to get all your chowhound friends to spread the word and converge on this message board. Before you know it, there will be AWESOME treasure troves of tips compiled (as there now are on the New York boards and some of the oft-discussed regionals).

                          My dream is that a year from now there won't be ANYWHERE a chowhound might live or visit without having a good tip from fellow hounds who UNDERSTAND. There are chowhounds all over the country (world, too) doing great detective work, and this is the only place--online or otherwise--we've ever had to congregate.

                          Ciao

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                          Dave Feldman RE: Heidi Sep 28, 1999 12:49 AM

                          Heidi--I did my time in Bowling Green, a place with only one culinary highlight (the onion rings at Kaufman's, the closest to an upscale restaurant in town).

                          Any chain restaurant has a huge advantage in "Best of" reader polls. Worry not.

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                            jen kalb RE: Heidi Sep 28, 1999 10:15 AM

                            Dave, I grew up in the Columbus area and don't recall any Ohioans, any time ever resenting being referred to as Midwesterners. Its a convenient term with no common substitute except maybe "Big 10 States" - and not pejorative to the folks there anyway - thats where they are happily living, after all.

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