- tuber Mar 1, 2005 02:33 PM
I'm coming to Toronto for the first time tomorrow and was wondering if anyone can tip me off to the kinds of places that are unique to Toronto ie that serve food that you can only get in Toronto (coming from NYC so not looking for the best indian or thai, etc.) did some searching on the board and didn't come up with much besides a few fish and chips places. I'll be around the Rex hotel and looking for somewhere decently cheap. any suggestions greatly appreciated and looking forward to seeing Toronto for the first time! thanks.
Make your way to the St. Lawrence Market on Front Street at Jarvis for the peameal (canadian) bacon sandwich at Carousel Bakery - everyone will tell you that. You'll find a lot to keep you busy there (including Montreal-style bagels, if you're interested)and if you go on Saturday, the north market showcases all manner of local producers. Check out California Sandwiches on Claremont Street (north of Dundas)for a veal sandwich - an Italian-Canadian specialty you don't get in New York's Italian shops. Don't forget to grab a bag of Ketchup flavored chips - strangely a Canadian treat. If you go for the fish and chips you mentioned, do head west on Queen Street toward Strachan and find Chippy's. Head closer to Strachan where you will find Clafouti, a tiny French bakery for top-notch croissants and other treats.
Finally, should you have transportation I'd recommend a trip north of the city to Centre Street Deli in Thornhill near Dufferin and Centre Streets. That's where, in my opinion, you will find the best Montreal-style smoked meat this side of Quebec.
That's all I can think of right now. I hope you enjoy your visit.
Great suggestions on the whole.
Just one small point- many of the Italian bakeries, delis, sandwich shops, pizzerias and restaurants in New York sell veal sandwiches which are pretty much identical to what you find in Toronto. The veal sandwiches in Toronto are tasty, but you could easily find equal or better in Manhattan.
Thanks for the comments, but I'm not so sure the veal sandwiches are the same. Similar, yes. The hoagies as they call them, with all the toppings and such. In my experience a veal sandwich in Toronto is far superior and, yes, unique. Perhaps our friend from New York could be the judge?
Not meaning to be start anything, but I actually wasn't talking about hoagies.Hoagies are generally similar to our submarines. The veal sandwiches in New York come with tomato sauce on a crusty Italian roll, and optional parm, peppers, mushrooms, onions, just like our sandwiches. I lived in Manhattan for a year, and ate them quite often, so I think that I would have as much insight as the visitor from NY on the subject.
Thanks everyone for your help. I had about 3 whole hours to explore as much of the city as I could. In that time, I managed to grab a nice cinnamon-brown sugar croissant from Clafouti and hiked across queen st making my way to the st lawrence market (cool place) for a peameal sandwich which I enjoyed. what is that crunch on the bacon? do they use bread crumbs or something? didn't get a chance to have a veal sandwich so can't compare to nyc but I did get to try ketchup potato chips which I kinda liked. someone we met told us we had to try Tim Horton's for donuts and "nicotine laced" coffee. looked and tasted like dunkin donuts to me. anyway, thanks for your recs hounds!
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re: keane fan
I would avoid Susur unless you can call 'service with an atitude' a Toronto specialty! Try Perigee in the distillary district instead! Unique part of this restaurant is that almost all tables faces the huge open kitchen where one can watch and interact with the chefs whilst they prepare your very tasty and innovative 'trust the chef' multi-course tasting menu. The last time I ate there, the gentleman sitting next to my table was actually a NYC food critic who came up specially for the experience!
Apart from the view, the food of Canoe is borderline mediocre when compares with other Toronto 4 stars restaurants such as Splendido or Chiado. Would go up to CN tower for the view instead and definitely elsewhere for food!
With NYC featuring such great Japanese/sushi restaurants as Nobu, Sugiyama, JB's sushi and Sushi Yasuda etc. Why waste time having Japanese in Toronto? If ethnic food is in your agenda, then, definitely try out Toronto's Chinese food. I would rank it just a touch behind Vancouver but way ahead of San Francisco and New York. Two must try regional cuisines are Cantonese and Shanghainese. Both types are very close to Hong Kong standard. Unfortunately, most good restaurants are located north of Toronto in Scarborough, Markham, Thornhill or Richmond Hill. If you can't make it up north, then try King's Garden on King Steet West and Lai Wah Heen in the Metropolitan Hotel on Chestnut Street. Both of them can easily surpass what NYC's Chinese restaurnats can offer.
Finally, I hate to sound overly critical but, once again, with so many world class French restaurants such as Daniel, Bouley, Jean George and Alan Duccase , to name a few, based in the big apple why even bother trying out French restaurants in Toronto?! Use the money for Auberge du Pommier, rent yourself a car and drive out to the wine country in Niagara and have yourself some fine food and Ontario wine pairing experience! The restaurants at Peller Estates Winery or Hillebrand Vineyard are two good destinations!
Have a nice time in Toronto and don't forget to post a trip report to let us TO Chowhound know of your gastronomic adventure outcome!
Completely agree with the advice that the better Chinese restaurants are further North close to 'New China Town' (highway 7). I've had King's Garden and found it distinctly bland, unoriginal, and overpriced. There was nothing obscenely bad about the restuarant but it just seemed like a 'theatre district' joint and the prices they charge aren't justified.
I highly recommend Dynasty, at Bloor and Avenue. Excellent weekend dim sum with good service, a rarity in the Chinese restaurants on highway 7.
As I recall, our friend from NYC said:
"I'll be around the Rex hotel and looking for somewhere decently cheap."
I don't really consider suggestions like Auberge du Pommier and Susur in the "decently cheap" category. But then again, it's just me. Yes they are excellent restaurants but it sounds like he is looking for:
Something different than what he can get at home.
For that I would suggest he wander around St. Lawrence Market and try a Peameal Bacon sandwich. Try Fresh on Queen West for vegetarian. Have a wander around Kensington market and try a pattie or an empanada from Jumbo Empanada.
Go to Burrito Boyz for lunch (it's worth the line up, try the Halibut, it's good!) or if you want something a little more upscale, try Bandido's on King West for their lunch specials - nothing fancy, but good inexpensive Mexican.
Again, just my suggestions.
Due to the much larger numbers of Latin American/Mexican immigrants in NYC, I'm not sure our limited burrito and empanada spots would be that impressive. But they are cheap & near the Rex, yes.
I am not a huge Chinese fan myself, but two places in Chinatown that get decent reviews on here are Asian Legend and Chinese Traditional Buns. These two sound a little more unique than the average cheap Chinese lunch offerings. I know that Vietnamese subs exist in NYC, but at $1.50 they are certainly cheap. There are two shops on the west side of Spadina just north of Dundas that sell these. In any case, the Chinatown/Kensington area is close to your hotel, and offers a high density of cheap selections. Look for mangosteen at the Chinese grocers if those are still illegal in the US.
Please note I'm not trying to start a flaming war here.
We have good Chinese restaurants here. I agree that most good restaurants are located north of Toronto.
However, I believe New York has better Chinese restaurants compared to Toronto. My parents live in New York, and every time I visit them, they take me to fantastic Chinese restaurants over there. No English menus, my parents have to order all the food. Note that the 'fantastic' comment is for the food, not the restaurant ambience. Manhattan Chinatown has better Cantonese restaurants. Queens (Flushing) Chinatown has better Taiwanese restaurants. Brooklin Chinatown offers better cuisine from the rest of Mainland China.
Maybe you just haven't had good Chinese food in New York. I believe our fellow Chowhounds in New York will gladly help you find superior restaurants in your next trip to the Big Apple.
Thanks for your brief summary of NYC's chinese food scene. Actually, I'll be heading down there in a couple of days! If you can actually recommend a couple of really good ones for me to try out so that I can make comparison with the best of Toronto, that would be great. Every year, business and pleasure took me to a great number of Chinese gastronomic temples in Hong Kong, China, Toronto, Vancouver, San Francisco, New York, London and Tokyo. To date, unfortunately, I must admit NYC's chinese food to be the most un-inventive and least interesting of all of the above. (Thats why I always eat French,Italian or Japanese when I stay in the big apple these days.) Finally, I think I should be able to differentiate good Chinese food from mediocre ones since afterall, I was born and raise in Hong Kong and my family was in the restaurant business!! So, hearing from you that NYC's chinese food is superior to Toronto's really comes as a big big surprise!!
I used to got to a chinese restaurant with my freind from Macau he would order in chineese and we would get wonderful food... I went back to the sam eplace and ordered the same dish with my non chinese friend and the food was totally different.. canadian veggies instead of chinese, toned down sauce.. etc.. and of course a fork instead of chopsticks offered...
So sometimes it is not what you order but who is ordering it...
re: keane fan
all these places are LARGE dollars Susur is probably $400 for two for dinner...
If you want inexpensive & true canadian try thr Chip Wagons on Queen Street in front of city hall just east of university for Poutine..
All the rest in the area is pretty much international .. good indian across the street for lunch buffet at Little India.. Rex probably has good traditional pub food but I have not eaten there.. Korean at Ho Su at Queen and John
Portuguese custard tarts. I have never seen them outside of Portugal and Toronto. I heard someone has seen them in London, UK but there is no confirmed sighting. They are very good if you have a sweet tooth.
Bakeries near Kensignton Market and along College street would have them. Also, I do not know of a good Portuguese restaurant in NYC - Chiado here is very very good (and their other half - Senhor Antonio - is somewhat more economical and relaxed way to go to Chiado).
Peameal bacon sandwiches are not common in NYC either
Susur (a restaurant with a creative chef) is an intriguing dining option, though pricey
Excellent Chinese food - some would argue it is better than in NYC for certain regional cooking, but I do not know enough - you might want to explore.
try Malabari Cuisine at Maroli a small family run takeout place at yonge & davisville
22 balliol street, beside lazy lizard
tel : 416 483 5393
Here is Toronto food in a nutshell. When I made my first trip to Toronto from the US many years ago, like you, I was really up for a local food experience. I went into a restaurant, looked at the menu and saw "Canadian Cheese." Great! Local food. I ordered it.
It turned out to be what I had grown up knowing as as "American Cheese." That, my friend, is the difference between NY and Toronto food.
However, you might want to look into Montreal bagels. They are quite differnt from the NY ones and can be very good. But whatever you do, avoid "Toronto bagels," aka bread ith holes in the vener.
It sure can and this is it: "Toronto" has over 400,000
Italians-and relatively recent immigrants- and it is virtually impossible to find a decent pizza. In NYC it is very hard to find a pizza that is not good.
My suggestion for "Toronto food" is to go to a Hungarian deli (too bad Elizabeth closed, Tuske is further along Bloor and there are others; Prauge on Queen will do) and get some cold cuts and get some buns from a Portuguese bakery (the smaller ones, who still don't use preservatives, avoid Nova Era) and enjoy. Get an apple for dessert from a nearby fruit store, but you need to know your apples. Coffee and donut at Tim Hortons.