http://www.chow.com/boards/61 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:22:38 GMT Keep track of the lastest threads on Chowhound http://www.chow.com/topics/584554#4828240 Could you explain further, please? Was there a break between El Pollo Rico and and El Regio? What metroplex are you referring to? Thanks for any elucidation you have to offer. Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:10:34 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/584554#4828240 http://www.chow.com/topics/633437#4828078 house.wine is a really good wine bar on main street in fredricksburg. it doesn't have texas wines--but the wines they carry are in a variety of prices from the wines in their lounge--10 to 20 dollars--and higher priced wines in their main bar, ranging from about $30 to $300. i find that their wines are consistently tasty and well worth the price. they also have snacks and friendly bartenders. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:26:04 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/633437#4828078 http://www.chow.com/topics/632296#4827559 There is a new Pho restaurant about to open up on Parmer between Dell and 685..It' s got to be authentic the big sign out front says "Pho King coming soon" Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:22:21 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/632296#4827559 http://www.chow.com/topics/633699#4827480 I think you mean *bad* canned tomatoes. Tomatoes can very well. Canned tomatoes is one way to get perfectly ripe flavor all year round and is the only way to get real Italian tomatoes to Texas. Of course, I'm not defending the pizza you had. It could very well be awful, but don't blame the process, blame the flavor. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:36:28 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/633699#4827480 http://www.chow.com/topics/625716#4827365 Sorry, the portions are too small at Teji and served in styrofoam. Taste-wise, it was just standard southern Indian fare to me (don't understand the "raves"). Nice grocery (good price on spices, esp.) - but not much else. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:43:04 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/625716#4827365 http://www.chow.com/topics/620431#4827034 Great find - thanks for the recommendation. I dropped in around 7PM on Thursday and there was plenty of bread and it appeared they were still preparing and baking fresh bread. (Very different from other bakery experiences at this hour). I purchased an assortment of breads and pastries. The sweet potato empanada was the star - I will be returning very soon just to procure a few more of these exquisite mosels. I'm no empanada connoisseur (I do fondly remember The Empanada Parlour), but this version has a soft crust lightly dusted with cinnamon sugar and a smooth pumpkiny/sweet potato filling.The cheese empanada was very good - it was sort of a smooth ricotta cheese filling. The bolillo rolls were really a revelation - the rolls are generously sized, the crust is lightly crunchy, more like a french bread than an Italian loaf and these rolls actually had some FLAVOR! I think I picked up 7 items and I spent less than $5 This place is good even for less adventurous 'hounds as it was very clean and this gringo was offered help 2 times during my 5 minute visit... and you may need a little help as there were no labels on any of the pastries on my visit Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:40:43 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/620431#4827034 http://www.chow.com/topics/633012#4826791 The appetizer is Tikki Chatt, that we enjoyed. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:44:27 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/633012#4826791 http://www.chow.com/topics/633575#4826635 I'll throw another one in that I recently took advantage of: Max's Wine Dive has two hh's-- from 4 to 7 and 12-2. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:05:51 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/633575#4826635 http://www.chow.com/topics/629802#4826539 Sweeney Great report. Sorry to hear you didn't like the sides at Ruby's as I feel like that's their strength.I'm not that crazy about their barbecue but they're one of the few places in town that care about the side items.Next visit grab a salad[heresy,I know]with Gorgonzola dressing.It's my favorite salad dressing in Austin. Glad to hear that Kreuz has righted the ship.They were my favorite barbecue for years but the downhill slide in recent years has been well documented here and on other sites.Next trip to Lockhart I'll have to give them another shot. Thanks for taking the time to follow up on everyone's suggestions. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:06:40 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/629802#4826539 http://www.chow.com/topics/370934#4826378 I just got back from the first visit to the newly-opened "King Noodle", on Cypress Creek just a short ways west of 183. Took the family, including a wife who's allergic to seafood, and a couple of early-teen boys. The decor was mid-range Aisian. Nice enough, but without that veneer of faux-elegance that makes you warns you you'd better watch your wallet. Our waitress was very friendly and helpful, suggesting different items. But it's about the food, so here ya go: The Guude Wyffe (no seafood, remember?) got a rice-and-beef plate, which was simple and clean, with flavorful teriyaki-like beef strips. Number 1 Son (age 14) ordered Pho, which was good but not really anything special. Number 2 son (12) is a little less adventurous (read: picky), and ordered Bun, with no vegetables--just meat and noodles. They happily took his order, but a few green onions found their way into his bowl. I don't hold that against the cooks, but he did. Hopefully he'll start risking new flavors before too long. As for me, I ordered a "Las Vegas" roll, and perhaps it's been too long since I've had good sushi to make a fair comparison, but this thing was an explosion of flavor with every bite! Alas, I couldn't convince anyone else to order a roll to share, but if they're all like this, count me in. It's been hours since dinner's been over, but the memory of that warm, crispy, creamy roll keeps coming back to my mind. Fantastic. There are no generic Chinese-American dishes on the menu, it's categorized into Japanese salads,soups, and appetizers (edamame, tempura, squid salad, yellowtail neck...), Pho (beef and chicken), Bun, and a fairly large selection of sushi rolls. Try it out yo' own dang self and let us know what you think. Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:50:17 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/370934#4826378 http://www.chow.com/topics/597817#4826032 There is a new noodle restaurant about to open up on Parmer, past Dell and before 685. They have a sign up that says " Pho King, coming soon" heh Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:20:33 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/597817#4826032 http://www.chow.com/topics/93187#4825397 I know this is an old post, but if you have the sangria recipe from the Grapevine, I must have it. I've heard there is a secret ingredient! Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:23:40 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/93187#4825397 http://www.chow.com/topics/633499#4825297 I don't get it. I've been to the P. Terry's on N. Lamar around 35th street and frankly I can't understand what all the fuss is about. Its a mediocre hamburger for $2. I have to tell you that 2 McDoubles for the price of 1 p.terry's is a better deal. The burger tastes like cardboard, its small and the toppings are just adequate. The line is long for no apparent reason. Is it just me? I have to admit that the frys are pretty good, but nothing to write home about. There are lots of better burgers, just not lots of better $2 burgers I guess. I think that value wise the $1.39 jumbo Jack packs a much better punch than these guys do. Just one man's opinion. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:51:30 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/633499#4825297 http://www.chow.com/topics/633509#4825283 I just finished reading a string responding to someone from Jersey coming down to visit. It was the usual question--no tex-mex, no BBQ, but wanted to know where to eat. It generated a verbal fist fight about half way through the 31 responses. Austin is like that, it has lots and lots of local joints and dives and strip center finds that other places don't have. Almost each and every one of them generate loyal followings by local foodies ready to drop the gloves at the slightest provocation! That's what's great about this city. So I thought I'd give you my vote for best of the median priced on down restaurants and hope to read your vote for your favorite. There isn't any right or wrong, although I'm right about mine...I vote for Sunflower at Ohlen and 183 right there in the strip center next to Target. Talk about yummy! Start with a crepe (not your idea of a crepe that's for sure) and move on to the special fried shrimp or the well I generally get stuck on those fantastic shrimp and the noodles they sit on. Everything is good, mouth watering good. The ladies who run the place work at their own pace, and they bring your order in no particular order and at no particular pace except when its ready they bring it. The kicker, in my opinion is that you can bring your own wine. What a fantastic deal, unbelievably good food at great prices and you can bring your own wine! I just love this joint. And you? What is your favorite...and why? Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:46:46 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/633509#4825283 http://www.chow.com/topics/633207#4823235 This might clear up some confusion: (From austin360.com) "Wednesday, April 15, 2009 Restaurant roars into fourth location On Monday , Larry Foles and Guy Villavaso are set to open their fourth Roaring Fork restaurant, the second in Austin, overlooking Quarry Lake at 10850 Stonelake Blvd. With the look of a cinder-block bunker out front, it's not the most picturesque lakeside restaurant you've ever seen. But out back is where it counts, where a wraparound wooden deck and an interior appointed with wood floors, red leather banquettes and glass walls offer tree-dappled views of the breezy little reservoir. Foles and Villavaso - whose past and present restaurant roster from more than 35 years in business together includes Eddie V's, Wildfish, Z'Tejas and Brio Vista - will lean on their corporate chef Harold Marmulstein to execute the wood-fired, rustic cooking of the American West already in place at the downtown Roaring Fork: green chile pork, lamb-chop fondue, cedar-plank salmon and wood-grilled lamb and steak. Prices range from $7 to $14 for appetizers and $13 to $29 for main courses. Hours will run 11 a.m. to 10 p.m. Sundays-Thursdays, 11 a.m. to 11 p.m. Fridays and Saturdays, with brunch from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturdays and Sundays. During daily happy hours from 4 to 6 p.m., appetizers and salads will be $4 off and drinks will be $2 off. - Mike Sutter" Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:19:21 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/633207#4823235 http://www.chow.com/topics/333649#4823042 Any updates on this place? I'm planning on going Friday and would like some recommendations. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:59:20 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/333649#4823042 http://www.chow.com/topics/619931#4822918 We unfortunately had a not so good experince here, it was from begining to end.... of things going wrong and our food was just so so and we had to settle for other things due to not having certain items. BUT we should know better then to read hype and get our expectations to high.....we probably won't be back. I feel we could of went to a chain restaurant and received similar food, sad to say, but true for us. Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:16:21 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/619931#4822918 http://www.chow.com/topics/633224#4822282 A friend told me she tried to call for a delivery order but the phone was disconnected. The web site is still up. Anyone heard anything or driven by lately? Thanks. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:15:26 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/633224#4822282 http://www.chow.com/topics/632656#4819580 whoops...it's a long drive from Oregon to Elgin, so it's been a few years (2-3) since I've been to X-town. sorry. Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:08:02 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/632656#4819580 http://www.chow.com/topics/457414#4819074 Hole in the Wall used to have awesome, made perfect chips. A huge pile of them for $2.50... used to that is. The last time I was there they were made totally different and cost $5 I think(for an inky dinky amount). Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:13:13 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/457414#4819074 http://www.chow.com/topics/632502#4818925 I agree with NWLarry - Took about 12 people to brunch there. It was very good. Dinner has never been bad, but barely makes good. It mostly just wallows in mediocrity. The eggs benedict with the crab add-on will bring me back. Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:35:14 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/632502#4818925 http://www.chow.com/topics/608816#4818704 I will second that. The buns that they serve are Sheila Partin buns, made in Houston. I love the jalepeno cheese buns. The buns are all sourdough buns. Makes the hamburger. Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:30:22 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/608816#4818704 http://www.chow.com/topics/626575#4818632 Going there with friends for my birthday dinner. Funny thing is David Garrido used to flirt with every one of my girlfriends while at Jefferey's. This should be interesting... Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:13:23 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/626575#4818632 http://www.chow.com/topics/91566#4818495 pizza corvina makes great pizzas and has a good happy hour too. Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:37:40 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/91566#4818495 http://www.chow.com/topics/629070#4818481 i read a article in the community impact and the land isnt even cleared yet so i dont anticiapte anything opening until late 2010. Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:32:57 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/629070#4818481 http://www.chow.com/topics/626377#4818058 I didn't know that! I always thought it was a shame that Good Eats didn't last very long. It did give Chuy's extra needed parking space though when the building was demolished. I'll have to try Hoover's CFS and see if it is the same (if I can remember after all these years). Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:32:33 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/626377#4818058 http://www.chow.com/topics/622527#4816168 Haha, ok...I want to love it. But there's just no spark :) Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:41:36 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/622527#4816168 http://www.chow.com/topics/629315#4815563 Wow, I'm surprised to hear about the fly problem. We were there last week and there wasn't a fly in sight. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:30:33 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/629315#4815563 http://www.chow.com/topics/407182#4815382 Yogurt Planet in the Triangle (next to Chase bank and the liquor store) has really delicious frozen yogurt. You serve yourself your choice(s) then bring it up to the counter and pay by weight. Be careful as it's always heavier (costlier) than I think.. something like 39 cents an ounce. The last time I was there they had mango, pumpkin, green tea, and probably 2 or 3 other varieties. There are also a number of toppings ranging from candy to fruit, but I always default on the plain "very tart" with nothing on it. It's the perfect amount of sweetness and tartness that exemplifies the true taste of yogurt. The last few times I've stopped or driven by it's been slammed with families and sorority girls. I interpret that as a sign to get it to go. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:37:00 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/407182#4815382 http://www.chow.com/topics/93324#4814827 Between Teo and La Dolce Vita, I'm gonna go with La Dolce Vita as well. Been meaning to try 360 Primo though. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:55:00 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/93324#4814827 http://www.chow.com/topics/630385#4814779 CORRECTION this line: Natural Planet (or something like that) - in same strip center as previous 5 should read Natural Planet (or something like that) - in same strip center as previous 2 Obviously Austin pizza garden isn't on escarpment Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:37:10 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/630385#4814779 http://www.chow.com/topics/630844#4814036 TERRIBLE service, mediocre food. I've tried Annie's for both lunch and dinner and haven't had a good experience. I'd normally detail the short-comings (other than don't order the burger or turkey sandwich) but I'll digress since they are only open two-weeks. They have a lot of work to do. That being said the space is fantastic. Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:21:38 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/630844#4814036 http://www.chow.com/topics/611402#4813148 Here's my rough ranking: ** (middleweight): Exotic Thai (Braker) very good: red snapper, duck curry; good: larb, pineapple fried rice Pad Thai (N I-35) nice spices * (lightweight): Titaya's (Lamar) Thai Cuisine (Parmer) soup-and-appetizer buffet incl. with lunch Thai Passion (downtown) has a nice pineapple fried rice, but not served in a pineapple Chon Som (Wells Branch) Ka-Prow (N I-35) Madam Mam's (Guadalupe) Thai Kitchen (Guadalupe) Thai Passion (Burnet) Thai Tara (W 6th) ________________________________________ [don't remember trying] ? Muangthai (183 & 620) ? Pad Thai (Mueller) ? Subsin's (Manchaca) old Sawadee location, which was previously Thai Garden (!) ? Thai Kitchen (Bee Caves), Thai Kitchen (William Cannon) ? Thai Noodles Etc. House (Guadalupe) ? Thai Spoon (Round Rock) ? Thai Village (near Highland Mall) ? Thamnak Thai (Cedar Park) [no longer in business] ***Thai Garden had excellent larb *Sawadee Thailand Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:58:02 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/611402#4813148 http://www.chow.com/topics/600380#4812476 When po-po swept through the 12th and Chicon neighborhood last week their timing was a little off. It's the end of the month so a lot of the miscreants that would've been holding are dead broke waiting for that guv'ment check before they can cop again. It's quiet rolling up on Galloway,Austin's soul food mecca for the past decade.I feel a little lonely parking in the nearby red dirt lot with nary a baller nor hustler to debate the finer points of the underground economy with. I reckon they're all down in the Travis County Hilton eating baloney sandwiches and drinking Kool-Ade wishing they'd set on a different path-a path that would allow them access to the Galloway's fine southern cooking instead of being penned up playing cards without even the most base comforts such as access to the remote control to the teevee. Good clean living being the order of my day I make my way inside and make a bee line for the steam line.Todays' offerings are a handsome spaghetti casserole weighed down under a thick mantle of bright yellow cheese,smothered chicken,cabbage,mashers,green beans and creamed corn. It's a tough decision but I can't resist anything Galloway smothers as his gravy is fit for a king.His wife laughs at me when I mention they should put the stuff on draft and offer pints and pitchers of this country nectar.I sit down near the front door and look out on a forlorn sidewalk.The usual assortment of neighborhood characters strolling about are gone.Downtown trying to figure out how to make bail I inwardly reckon. The chicken is plastic spoon tender,the gravy a fine rich sauce.My sides are cabbage which I spike up with Louisiana Hot Sauce and potatoes which I take to be mashers but are actually whippers.Pureed to a pudding like consistency.The cornbread that comes with is good once submerged in a monkey dish of gravy and rode into mush. Be aware that Galloway,like a lot of other restaurants in town has risen his prices.My meal ran me $7.87 which is still a very good value given the trencherman portion and friendly service. Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:48:49 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/600380#4812476 http://www.chow.com/topics/623653#4811664 Oops! My recollection was backwards. I just returned from having lunch at Opie's earlier today, and I had the two spots mixed up. The new Opie's is in a big new corrugated metal building that does front on Hwy 71, while the old one faced the side street. I enjoyed the brisket and sausage. I only wish it had been Sunday or Friday, because those are the only days they offer their delicious (and free!) butter beans. I also enjoyed the cheesy tater tot casserole, even though I don't often enjoy that type of church-social dish--this one was creamy and crispy and very tasty. Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:05:09 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/623653#4811664 http://www.chow.com/topics/357620#4810857 The Screaming Goat has a great migas taco. We tried several other breakfast tacos and all were excellent. Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:16:44 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/357620#4810857 http://www.chow.com/topics/629805#4810308 Homero, Great to see you back on the boards. I may have to check this place out just to see you posting. Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:04:24 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/629805#4810308 http://www.chow.com/topics/624217#4809286 Email restaurants.com from the "contact us" tab on their website and you will get a replacement gift certificate to any other restaurant in their program. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:54:51 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/624217#4809286 http://www.chow.com/topics/631952#4809147 I'll see if I can't figure that out... Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:54:33 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/631952#4809147 http://www.chow.com/topics/630762#4808247 My recommendation is Whole Foods downtown. There is a seafood dining area inside called 5th Street Seafood. They have a set menu with 8-9 items in the $6-15 range. The food is cooked on an open griddle (a la plancha) and you can sit at the counter and watch your food being cooked. The coolest thing is you can choose anything out of the seafood case at regular store price and they will season & cook it and add two sides for an additional $4.99. The available fish seasonings include lemon herb, Cajun and salt & pepper. The sides include steamed or sautéed veggies, green beans, rice, mashed or roasted potatoes, salad and asparagus. The fish mongers at WF downtown have always been knowledgeable, friendly and eager to assist. Once you pick out your fish from the case the fish monger will weigh/price it and walk it over to the seafood dining counter. When you sit down the waitperson will ask you how you want it cooked/seasoned and what sides you would like. There is also a seafood soup display close by which has 6+ different hot soups to choose from. There are several wines offered by the glass. You also have the option of choosing any bottle from the wine section (or refrigerated beer room) at the normal store price. There is no fee for corkage. When you're done eating take the packaging from whatever additional items you've consumed to the counter register and the server will ring up your meal. Tipping is not officially sanctioned and no tip field is included on the receipt but I usually leave a small cash gratuity anyway. I think this is the best deal on casual seafood dining in Austin. And don't forget to stop by the Gelato case up front. I recommend the fig-orange gelato. Dave Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:38:57 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/630762#4808247 http://www.chow.com/topics/629313#4806997 I have eaten lunch there with friends a couple of times. The sushi is pretty good, the prices OK, and the staff (we were at a table, not the sushi bar) almost too attentive. I really enjoyed the Hamachi Kama and would go again for that alone. I am planning to try them for dinner one day next month. Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:32:03 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/629313#4806997 http://www.chow.com/topics/631286#4806579 I've had lunch there once. A different and good take on a crunchy taco. Rather than loose ground meat the beef was more like a hamburger patty in the shape of the shell. Nice seasoning, fresh vegetables, cheese melted nicely, but what I like most was the fresh salsa with enough acidity and heat to be a foil for the dense beef taco. Very casual. Inexpensive. I'll definitely be back to sample more of the menu. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:28:45 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/631286#4806579 http://www.chow.com/topics/621083#4806174 I have been following this thread since last month in hopes that someone would discover an awesome place to have a fancy high tea. How fun would it be to get gussied up in a poofy dress, shiny shoes, and gorge oneself on petit fours, right? Right. (Oh, and uh, native Austinite here, I still want to dress up) Well the only thing I have to add to the thread is that last year the Driskill had something called the 12 Days of Driskill, and one of those days was a Victorian Holiday Tea. I wasn't able to make it, but a friend wouldn't shut up about how awesome it was. You can bet your mary janes I am going to be on the watch this December to see if they do it again, although I realize this doesn't do us a lot of good now. From the Driskill web archive: "A traditional European-style holiday tea is served each afternoon in our elegant Grand Lobby. With a harpist playing in the background, guests are treated to a four-course tea service, including a glass of sparkling wine. The menu includes: assorted tea sandwiches, fruit tartlettes, petit fours, truffles and freshly baked scones served with Devonshire cream, lemon curd and fruit preserves. Teas custom blended by The Tea Embassy. $48 Adults ; $18 Children, 3-12 Reservations required" Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:30:32 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/621083#4806174 http://www.chow.com/topics/627952#4805187 The HEB in Westlake (360 & Bee Caves) has them for $11.99 right now. I work across the street so I'm in there a lot. I've seen them as low as $7.99/lb there. It pays to give them a call 329-5184 when shopping around. Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:05:46 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/627952#4805187 http://www.chow.com/topics/630440#4802848 I've had excellent cupcakes from a new start-up, Danger! Cakes, delivered. A pretty wide menu selection and better than the other brick & mortar places I've tried in town. Also, very flexible on numbers and combination of cakes / toppings / fillings along with their staples. www.facebook.com/people/Danger-Cakes/1769933122 not sure if they have a separate website up yet. or email austindangercakes@gmail.com for a menu. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:45:01 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/630440#4802848 http://www.chow.com/topics/630686#4801809 Roaring Fork Stonelake: 10850 Stonelake Blvd, Austin, TX 78759 Roaring Fork Austin: 701 Congress , Austin, TX 78701 Website: http://www.eddiev.com/ Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:12:36 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/630686#4801809 http://www.chow.com/topics/630843#4801618 I loved the place, but the last two time we ate there, the place was two third empty. I would guess the location killed them, no foot traffic really. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:28:36 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/630843#4801618 http://www.chow.com/topics/630862#4800526 Habanero's at 1st and Oltorf for Tex-Mex. Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:57:06 GMT http://www.chow.com/topics/630862#4800526